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Gay Rights Defeat in Maine

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Rudi Stettner
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I was worried that the voters of Maine might actually approve of gay marriage in Tuesday's referendum on the matter. Like New Hampshire, Maine has had to endure a leftward drift that is fed by Massachusetts natives moving over the border and bringing their liberal politics with them.

There is a logic to protecting marriage and defining it as being between a man and a woman. The cornerstone of marriage is its purpose in solidifying a home in which children can be raised. Any alternative contrived by people to be a substitute for the family has proven to be cumbersome at best. Orphanages, group homes and foster homes have ten times the money and many more problems than do families, which generally educate, feed and clothe children at a fraction of the cost when the state takes over.

Just a couple of thoughts about the movement for gay marriage.

1) Why do gay activists so crave a societal stamp of approval? Why do they constantly demand affirmation that their way of life is as good as that of the straight majority.

2) There is a general societal consensus that as long as you leave the children and livestock alone, that you should be left alone as well. The way most people feel is best expressed in the Cheryl Crow lyrics,

"If it makes you happy
It can't be that bad
If it makes you happy
Then why the hell are you so sad "

3) Even homosexuals are dependent upon the straight majority. Why do you think that the term among gays for straight people is "breeders". Even though they have repudiated heterosexual unions, they are dependent upon them to replenish their ranks.

4) Overwhelming statistical evidence has discredited smoking as bad for one's health. There is evidence that is every bit as statistically compelling that homosexuality brings a laundry list of diseases. What are we to conclude?

You may hate my politics and my religion. I may feel the same way about yours. You may make a disgusted face when I tell you who I voted for. I may reciprocate when I look at your latest bumper sticker. But what defines us as a nation is that we can live next door to each other, work together and ride the bus together without killing each other. If we can all sign off on that, then we are all good citizens. The same G-d who I learn in my scriptures prohibits homosexuality is also patient enough to let people make their own choices without immediately zapping them with a plague or a bolt of lightning.

Let's all be honest. If you want to be out front about what you do, that is fine with me. But let me be out front as well and tell you what I believe. Better still, let's talk about the World Series , rock and roll or stamp collecting. Why do we have to rip the bedroom door off its hinges and invite ESPN in for live coverage? I don't know anything about what my close friends do behind closed doors. And I don't want to know. What makes you any different?

No one wants to kick down your bedroom door and arrest you, or fire you from your job. If it comes down to that, you have plenty of defenders. But constantly seeking approval is intrusive and annoying. Enough already. No matter how"enlightened" people are on the street about homosexuality, it is a different story in the closet, or for that matter the voting booth. Start thinking about the rights of the majority to be left alone. The people have spoken. End of story.

Reprinted with permission from Magdeburgerjoe.com
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
27 months ago: Who cares what Gays do?

I say leave them alone as long as they leave me alone.

If they want to call their same sex partner mami or papi, who cares.

What they do is their business and not yours.

If they want to adopt a child, let them. They would do no worst as parents than you and most likely do better than most straight breeders.

Life is too short--enjoy it and live and let live.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: Interesting views Rudi. I totally agree with you. I seen first hand of what the aids virus does to someone. My brother died of aids, thank God he repented and changed his lifestyle when he was first diagnosed with the virus.

He was the reason I found God. He lead me in the prayer to be saved. I am looking forward to seeing him in heaven, hopefully I will make it.

I seen him struggle with his homosexuality for 5 years it was nothing normal at all. Meaning most homosexuals say they are fine with being gay but with me seeing it first hand, I think it is just the opposite. I think it is life long struggle trying to justify being gay. Are they wanting to get married to feel like their life is normal? That is a question I think most homosexuals struggle with.

But as to the disease. It literally rots your flesh off your body. Most people can not even deal with looking at there loved one's in the final stages of the Aids Virus. I truly think it is Gods plague.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
27 months ago: Aids is not just a homosexual disease and homosexuals love their partners and want the same benefits as the rest of society. Their gay unions can raise children with the same benefits to the children as straight families. Gay marriages strengthen bonds just as straight marriages do. It is good for society to have stability in unions straight or gay and it is good for children to have two parents straight or gay. Gay marriage does not harm anyone else nor does it threaten straight marriages.

In Washington voters gave gays all of the rights as straight folk except the name of the union can't be called marriage.

59% of the young folk are OK with gay marriage so it is inevitable as the conservatives get older and die off, that eventually all men and women will be considered equal.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: "Aids is not just a homosexual disease"

Of course the numbers are distorted now. Between drug abusers and homosexuals the aids virus has crept into the rest of the population. But the fact is you get it through the transfer of blood. Do I need to explain more?

The fact is nothing has been done about homosexuals purposely sleeping with people knowingly they are passing it on HIV to the unaware partner. Nothing like being able to commit homicide and not being able to prove it.

"so it is inevitable as the conservatives get older and die off, that eventually all men and women will be considered equal."

God will intervene long before the USA becomes a cesspool of homosexuality.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: I have one question Altruist. What happens if we ever go into a severe depression. Do you think homosexuals on medicines to prolong their life, will be able to get that medication as easily with no income? No they will simply die off.
27 months ago: It's unfortunate that so many of our young people have been deluded by this immoral society.

Television sitcoms, network news, and our public education system bombard us with the message of tolerance for gays and lesbians. It's no wonder so many young people think gay unions are okay. They've been tricked.

You can tolerate certain things without endorsing them. Some things simply should never be tolerated and are to be resisted.

The problem is if man is just some sort of animal who evolved, and if there’s no absolute authority, then marriage is whatever you want to define it to be—if you can get away with it in the culture you live in.

What is to prevent a majority of society declaring one day that same-sex marriage is permissible? And then what about polygamy, or even pedophilia? Indeed, a shifting morality can be a slippery slope, to the point that one day society might determine that polygamy and sex between adults and children and animals is not wrong—as long as most people believe it to be acceptable.

Now, some might object and say that these now-illegal things would never be allowed in America.

But who pre-1970 would have believed that America would one day encourage abortions of convenience at a genocidal rate and see gay marriages performed as if that is normal?

Wow. Look how far we have fallen.
Chris D
Chris D
Seattle, WA
27 months ago: Scotmanster, Huey, you're wrong. Altruist is 100 percent right.

http://www.boomerdeathcounter.com/

As the baby boomers die off we're going to see real societal changes. Marriage rights for all, cannabis legalization, and much more.

All Americans deserve the same rights. Have you forgotten about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?"
27 months ago: D, what did I say that was wrong?
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: "It's unfortunate that so many of our young people have been deluded by this immoral society"

I think that is the biggest problem. It is getting played off as something innocent.

Homosexuals are more apt to pass on HIV virus, certain homesexuals actually take their wrath out on society and purposely pass on the HIV virus. You will never see these revealing facts on the front page of a liberal newspaper. Because they refuse to look at the whole issue. Chris you can call me wrong all you like it will never change the reality of I seen this unfold firsthand in my life. Their is no "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" when homosexuals out there are purposely spreading a virus throughout society. I can show you statistic after statistic about how HIV has spread, that is the fact.

Don't sit their and tell me this is just a rare occurrence it is not a rare occurrence if it was the numbers would not keeping rising of hiv/aids infected people.
Chris D
Chris D
Seattle, WA
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Chris D
Chris D
Seattle, WA
27 months ago: You have clearly gone off the deep end, Scotmanster.

Stating that:

"...homosexuals out there are purposely spreading a virus [HIV/AIDS] throughout society..."

leads me to believe that you are, in fact, insane.

Further debate with you would be worthless. You might want to consider an appointment with a mental health professional.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: read up on it if you think I am wrong Chris but don't say I am wrong for denying people life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If anything of the 1.1 million people infected with HIV-AIDS they are denying innocent people from the pursuit of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. It just so happens these people have hollywood and news agencies behind them.

http://www.avert.org/usa-statistics.htm
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: Both of my brothers where homosexuals my older brother died in 1993 his name was James. My second brothers name was Kevin he died in 2006 they where both HIV positive. Call me insane if you want Chris I read my brothers personal journals after they died. I read and they told me how they where infected. The aids virus is spread in a malicious way. That is the fact. It is a taboo topic within the homosexual community.
27 months ago: Scot - Glad you're back in force.

Siempre - nice input.

D - I guess what I said earlier wasn't so much wrong as it was something which you couldn't shoot down.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
27 months ago: "What is to prevent a majority of society declaring one day that same-sex marriage is permissible? And then what about polygamy, or even pedophilia? Indeed, a shifting morality can be a slippery slope, to the point that one day society might determine that polygamy and sex between adults and children and animals is not wrong—as long as most people believe it to be acceptable."

Gotta love "slippery slope" logic. Man and man, woman and woman, dogs and cats living together, etc. Anything is theoretically possible, so any deviance from the conventional is forbidden. Apply this same logic to just about any problem and man would never have left the safety of the cave.

This is only "unacceptable" to you because, probably (don't know you, just guessing), you read it in some ancient text, written ages ago by multiple, desert-dwelling pre-industrial peoples, cobbled together into a lumpy, patchwork whole. It was passed down from generation to generation, and you now confuse tradition for reason.

To me, the old Jefferson adage applies here: "it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." There is no coming homosexual tidal wave, folks. Keep multiplying like turn-of-the-last-century, farming Mormons. God has ordained this. Or some misogynist's boogieman. Same difference.

scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: God does talk about lukewarm people in the Bible, Jak.

Revelation 3:16 "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."
27 months ago: "The cornerstone of marriage is its purpose in solidifying a home in which children can be raised. Any alternative contrived by people to be a substitute for the family has proven to be cumbersome at best."

There are many many children in America being raised in single parent households, abusive, households, or caught in custody battle between parents, and these are just to name a few. I think any of these situations is more harmful to a child's upbringing than being brought up in a home where they are loved and cared for by two daddies who also love and care about each other. Of course the most ideal situation is to be raised by a man and a woman. I will not deny that studies have proven children respond best to both male and female role models; however, I would much rather see a child raised by parents of the same sex than to see a child lost in the foster care system, because a couple was denied the privelege to adopt because they are the same gender.
27 months ago: Maybe we should encourage cannibalism too?

I read somewhere that that was unacceptable, but so what? Times are 'a changin'. Deviance is in like Flint!
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: I just don't see how it is responsible for any parent to raise a child thinking homosexuality it is acceptable. It clearly is not ok with the amount of people that contract hiv/aids are homosexuals, it is not a healthy lifestyle, no matter how good natured the parents are.

I don't think it should ever be acceptable for a person that has the hiv/aids virus or that contracts it to raise children.
27 months ago: Scot, a quick note to you. You have a hang up with AIDS and homosexuals. For some reason you think and keep saying that AIDS is spread primarilly by gays. Unfortunately for your argument, you are wrong, AIDS is spread mostly through heterosexual contact, looking at the world wide infection rates, you will find that people don't give a damn that they have it and spread it to other people because they would rather have sex than not. More to blame than gays with a grudge, are men trying to prove how manly they are by having sex with multiple females for years after they contract the virus thereby spreading the virus over and over again because those females have multiple male partners too.

I'm getting to you next Huey, D got bleeped.
27 months ago: Sixer -

You make a good point. When folks can't keep their pants zipped (heterosexual or otherwise), great harm can be done on multiple levels.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: HIV is spread through blood to blood transfer, gay men having anal sex are prone to cause bleeding. I have no hang up about anything six.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: "D got bleeped."

I have never heard of the Admins removing content here. Chris D probably worded something wrong,flagged it himself and had the admin remove it for him.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: "As of June 2002, over 51 000 cases of HIV infection had been reported in Canada. The number of new cases per year has declined from 1995 (2987 cases) to 2001 (2180). Of all positive HIV cases, 85% are in men; 62% are due to homosexual activity, 16% due to intravenous drug use, and 3% due to heterosexual sex. The proportion due to homosexual activity has dropped over the last decade, while the proportion due to heterosexual activity has increased."
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: So please tell me how I am hung up on this issue?
27 months ago: Huey, the “message of tolerance” is part of the American concept of “All men (and women) are created equal” and should all be treated that way. Just because someone doesn’t believe the same way you do, does not give you the right to censure them or what they do. That is what you want done, you want gays censured from the public eye and you want what they do censured from young people so that they will not know about them or what they do. Basically you want young people to grow up ignorant of what gays do. Ignorance is not good, no matter what the topic is, in wanting this, you are wrong.

Young people have not been tricked, you have. You’ve been tricked into believing that a book written by men and held up to the ignorant as the “Word of God” and interpreted by charlatans with an agenda to take what little money the ignorant have and transfer it into “their” pockets (if not money, it is the power over them that they “take”), is the “right” way to live and that since it is the “right” way (in your opinion), it is the only way. In this you are wrong because you want to force others to adhere to your beliefs and way of life.

I will agree with one point, one day society might determine that what we, as a society, now feel is wrong, immoral or just not right, will be the norm and there won’t be any arguments about how your religion or mine, determines what we try to force upon others.

27 months ago: Fallen? We haven’t fallen. Eyes have been opened, secrets have been revealed, lies have been exposed. As a society, we have actually improved. Incest between parents and their children is now considered wrong by nearly everyone, racial discrimination is universally condemned, genocide upon our native population is now considered a bad thing, taking things from other people just because you are rich is now considered a crime, the police now consider everyone a suspect no matter how much money they have, abortion is now legally available to everyone, not just the rich, officers in the military are now drawn from all walks of life, not positions bought by the rich so they could send others to die instead of themselves, women now get to chose their husbands not get stuck with one chosen for them, children are not forced to work sun-up to sun-down for their keep, or beaten to death for some small slight of their parents (still happens but not as much), neighborhoods are not segregated by race due to a law, schools aren’t either, I can say all these things and not have to worry about being put on a list saying I’m a “Red” and lose my job over it. I can go on and on about the things that have improved in this country, yet others will just look at a few things in the news and claim that we are going downhill as a country. Believe what you like, I will continue to think that this country is getting better and better and that the bad things are being reported which makes people-with-their-heads-in-the-sand think it is getting worse. Yeah, it was already that bad, you just didn’t know it.
27 months ago: Look at it this way. If you had never read the Bible or the Koran or the Talmud or any other religious text that you interpreted to say that marriage was only between a man and a woman, would you have allowed our law makers to write laws that specify that a marriage contract is the determining factor on whether or not one persons insurance would cover another person who devotes his or her life to the one with the insurance? There are many, many laws on the books that make that distinction; you have to be married to the other person to enjoy all the legal benefits of a union of two people. Why do so many people think that they have the right to deny equal protection under the law to someone based upon their sexual orientation? Either change the laws so that a marriage contract is not the deciding factor for benefits or allow any two people the right to be married to each other.

Actually, I don’t care how many people are allowed in a marriage, as long as someone is taking responsibility for the offspring and the bills, that one man, one woman thing is religious based and should be taken off the books, don’t want any one religion being favored in our laws you know.

As for cannibalism, go for it, as long as you aren’t hunting and killing people for their meat, you have to use only dead carcasses for butchering, you aren’t allowed to make them that way. One other requirement, serving someone human meat without telling them is a capital offense, just so no one will get any ideas…
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
27 months ago: OP: "1) Why do gay activists so crave a societal stamp of approval? Why do they constantly demand affirmation that their way of life is as good as that of the straight majority."

This would be in the same way that blacks constantly demanded affirmation that their way of life is as good as that of the whites or that women demanded affirmation that their way of life is as good as that of the men I think. (In other words affirmation is not what they are demanding rather equality - difference).
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: The thing is Six that is what Huey is saying where does the act or being immoral stop being immoral. When is the U.S. citizens going to grow a backbone and say enough is enough this what we stand for nothing less. Instead we are catering to everyone and every groups preconcieved whim, this country whether you want to believe it or admit it was built on "In God We Trust". It was built on a strong sense of family first and moral sensibilty. The cornerstone was God. That corner stone has been replaced with "life, liberty, persuit of hapiness". Drop the liberty, persuit of hapiness part becuase we sold that when we gave away trillions of dollars.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: "This would be in the same way that blacks constantly demanded affirmation that their way of life is as good as that of the whites or that women demanded affirmation that their way of life is as good as that of the men I think. (In other words affirmation is not what they are demanding rather equality - difference)."

Homosexuals did not get made slaves. I see no comparison and find it a little bit offensive that you would compare the two.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
27 months ago: OP: "3) Even homosexuals are dependent upon the straight majority. Why do you think that the term among gays for straight people is "breeders". Even though they have repudiated heterosexual unions, they are dependent upon them to replenish their ranks."

That would be in the same way the blacks were dependent on the white majority etc. No they are not, they seek equality and protection from bigotry - difference.

OP: "4) Overwhelming statistical evidence has discredited smoking as bad for one's health. There is evidence that is every bit as statistically compelling that homosexuality brings a laundry list of diseases. What are we to conclude?"

Smoking is demonstrably bad for you. Gay people however do not suffer from any more disease than any other group in society, that is a lie. AIDS was widely billed as a gay disease and yet AIDS is now less prevalent amongst US and UK gay community than among the sexually promiscuous heterosexual community. AIDS, like all illnesses do not distinguish between gay or straight.

Sexual practices can make you more prone to catching AIDS but where as the Gay community has cleaned up their act this is less true for the straight community.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: Put it this way it is not only happening with homosexuals being acceptable now Six, but even when Roman Polanski was found guilty of rape , we have some nutjobs celeberties namely whoppie goldberg saying it was not rape-rape. I am tired of catering to every nutjobs whim. America needs to grow a backbone.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
27 months ago: The majority should be tolerant of the minority. The majority should not exclude the minority from majority practices.

The only exception is where the minority presents a real threat to the majority of real harm. This is not the case with gay marriage.

In your face gay may be annoying but a lot of this is back lash to the oppression of the gay community of the recent past as well as the on going residual oppression.

People often get over defensive and demonstrative of hard won rights, whether it is women voting more than men after winning the right to vote or blacks being getting in the faces of racists and holding marches etc after winning some equality.
DeanFox
DeanFox
England
27 months ago: Regarding the Roman Polanski rape - I pointed out that what he did made him a paedophile, that any other person would be vilified by society yet even my mother felt it was "more complex than that".

A 30 year old having sex with a 13 year old is statutory rape in most countries if not "rape-rape". It should not matter that the 30 year old is a famous director.

I too find it annoying that individuals can be viewed so very differently by society because of some aspect of their life, like they are or were famous.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: If you think it is some lie you are in denial dean. Maybe you should look up the statistic while your at it when HIV first surfaced. This quote is not one of them does prove your in denial.

"As of June 2002, over 51 000 cases of HIV infection had been reported in Canada. The number of new cases per year has declined from 1995 (2987 cases) to 2001 (2180). Of all positive HIV cases, 85% are in men; 62% are due to homosexual activity, 16% due to intravenous drug use, and 3% due to heterosexual sex. The proportion due to homosexual activity has dropped over the last decade, while the proportion due to heterosexual activity has increased."

http://www.pfizer.ca/english/your%20health/hiv/default.asp?s=1
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: "I too find it annoying that individuals can be viewed so very differently by society because of some aspect of their life, like they are or were famous"

We are in agreement on that Dean.
27 months ago: Lots of people obviously don't believe there is a sin problem on this planet. To me that's just a denial of reality. Open your eyes.

The young people have not only been tricked, they've been bush-waked and shanghaied.

The so called "responsible adults" have en mass abdicated their responsibilities as parents and are allowing everyone and everything other than themselves raise their children.

Moral relativism rather that right and wrong is being taught and many of our young people are suffering for it.

The young people in my sphere of influence learn the real deal. I'm not looking to hide or censure anything from them. At certain points in their development they need to be told certain things.

Deviant behavior is what it is: deviant. Calling it something else will not change that.

I remember when Sheryl Swoops announced that she was gay. The homosexual community applauded her. They were even going to use her as a spokesperson.

Then she came out and said it was a lifestyle choice on her part. She went from angel to demon in a heartbeat.

The same people who applauded her were now calling her all kinds of bit-c-s and ho's. Kind of like what they did to Jesus.

Pretty intolerant I think.

27 months ago: You don't need a book to tell you eating with your mouth wide open at the dinner table is wrong (actually maybe some people do). Just like you don't need a book to tell you another man should no put his thing into another man's rear end. I just think there is something wrong with that.

My opinion. My belief. You can tolerate it or not. Doesn't matter.

As for the young people. There is still hope.

I'm glad there are still parents out there that are teaching them that premarital sex is wrong, abortion for birth control is wrong, drinking and driving is wrong, stealing is wrong, rape is wrong, murder is wrong.

There are parents who realize that divorce devastates the home and are not looking for easy ways out. They go to counseling and get the help they need to have a strong, healthy family.

They don't do like the rest of the world and bag their marriage at the first sign of difficulty and say "to hell with the kids, I'm not happy."

Or just shack up. In essence showing their offspring how to be irresponsible and insecure. Showing them how to dodge life-long commitment.

Parents are to model for their children how to be excellent dads and moms and husbands and wives. If things operated like that consistently, we would not even be having this discussion.

Homosexuals are human beings and deserving of love and understanding just like everyone else, but their sexual lifestyle is not normal nor should it be legitimized and accepted as such.

At this point in history most thinking people agree with that.

This world is fallen. Things are not even close to the way they were intended or should be.

If anyone out their thinks humankind is on it's way to building Utopia on this planet, give me some of what you're smoking.
27 months ago: The neat thing about this is that I have not mentioned religion even once in my responses to this post. Yet some can't help but hear it.

I guess there is still hope for the human conscience.
27 months ago: Meet the G That Killed Me
By Public Enemy

Man to man
I don't know if they can
From what I know
The parts don't fit
(Ahh sh-t)

How he's sharin' a needle
With a drug addict
He don't believe he has it
(Either)
But now he does, he doesn't know cause he
Goes straight to a ho
Tell you what who was next on the butt
Wild thinin' on a germ
Runnin' wild
Yo stop
But the bag popped.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: "You haven't but everybody else has. That doesn't mean there is hope, it just means that people are having a oneway conversation"

No not really hopefully someone that is a homosexual happens to be struggling with it at the time they are reading this. The only reason I used my brothers names was to show, not only do I know what I am talking about from personal contacts within the homosexual community but so their life stories will be a testament of how God did interceded and accepted them into his kingdom because they repented.

HIV is very real, it does kill people horrifically. To dumb it down or make it look less threatening, less than what it really is, is a great disservice to them on the fence about this issue.

Huey is right on. God Bless.
27 months ago: "HIV is spread through blood to blood transfer, gay men having anal sex are prone to cause bleeding."

Are you aware of the fact that it is not at all uncommon for heterosexual couples to have anal sex? It happens all the time. The parts aren't "meant to fit" there either but I suppose you are going to tell me it is still more natural because it is between a man and a woman? Or maybe we should outlaw that too? What makes anyone think they have the right to define what kinds of sex are "natural?" What two censtenting adults do behind closed doors is no buisiness of the state...or their neighbors.
27 months ago: Now he's sharin' a needle
With a drug addict
He don't believe he has it
(Either)
But now he does, he doesn't know cause he
Goes straight to a ho
Tell you what who was next on the butt
Wild thing'ing on a germ
Runnin' wild
Yo stop!
But the bag popped.

PE. Very prophetic and in your face. Yeah, booooooyyyyy!

Trojans ain't made 'o steel.....
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: Sugarpop this topic is about homosexuals and whether we think they should have the right to marry. You have to look at the underlining virus spread throughout the gay community to come to a final conclusion. It is a lie to say that HIV is not spread primarily by homosexuals. I gave you specific evidence to support that fact. The statistics support my conclusion since 1981, the HIV virus started in the gay community in LA, it spread throughout the population via bi-sexuals and then into the straight community. You guys need to turn off the TV and stop watching gay programing that sugar coats these issues, the fact is they are misleading and you are misleading young people to the real danger that comes with being gay.

http://www.kff.org/hivaids/timeline/hivtimeline.cfm
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
27 months ago: Homosexual men do have higher rates of HIV then Hetros because anal sex does transmit HIV more readily than vaginal sex. The main problem with gay sex is promiscuity and not using protection. The same problems will also transmit HIV through the hetro community.
Allowing gay marriage would discourage promiscuity just like it does for hetros, therefore it would prevent the spread of Aids.
The problem with restricting constitutional rights to individuals because of their sexual preferences, is that this is one of those slippery slopes you are talking about. Next thing you know they will restrict your rights because you smoke or drink. The fact is that the constitution protects EVERYBODIES rights be they black, white, straight or gay. There are a lot of responsible gay people out there who are wonderful people and deserve their rights.
Sugar is correct about gay marriage being better for kids than single families. There is also many other considerations. Loving gay parents would be much better for kids than a hetro marriage where the man abuses his wife.
So far everyone is talking about male gay couples. How about Lesbians? I suspect their HIV incidence is much lower than hetro couples and they are probably just as capable at raising kids as a hetro couple.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: The problem is humanity without God does not know where to draw the lines. Sure one can have a moral compass but without God they are not accountable but to anyone but themselves. The only thing that stops them is mans Law which by far is not perfect. This is why we are in the state of chaos we are in now with long held moral traditions getting disputed. We are acting like any other sleezy empire that was about to collapse, lost in our own self debauchery of self serving pleasure. It has been seen time and time again from history, you think people would learn from the past.

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
27 months ago: You are correct that we are in a period of "Me-ism" where most people only think of immediate self gratification and greed, but God has nothing to do with it. It is simple free market capitalism where people are taught that anything is OK if it makes money. People are turning away from the teachings of Jesus, as typified by the Sermon on the Mount, to the Golden Calf and money has become their god.
scotmanster
scotmanster
27 months ago: The lack of God has everything to do with it.

Nor is it free market capitalism at fault if the Government would keep its nose out of the free market then it is proven to work. When it stopped working was when the Federal Reserve got involved with taxing us. Simply put if we did not have the tax system and the Government keeping it's nose out of our paychecks, then we could afford health insurance, the jobs would be created. You are confusing the economy,crooks and morals. Dumping them all in the same pot to change this country.

The fact is the majority of the population in the US is not wealthy, they get fed all this garbage from the media and Hollywood. We are the backbone of this country, instead of buying into all the garbage they are feeding us, just turn off the TV, take ahold of our own lives instead of listening to these special interest groups that are selling you "change".

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