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Gay Columnist: "we want to "indoctrinate children"

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Queerty contributor Daniel Villarreal says... "We want educators to teach future generations of children to accept queer sexuality. In fact, our very future depends on it"

"Gay columnist: let's face it, we want to indoctrinate children..."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-jou...%29

I guess that the agenda is "out" as well. No longer it seems, the homosexual agenda needs to be hid according to columnist Villarreal, "Recruiting children? You bet we are," he said. I just want to know... does anyone have a problem with that... how does one recruit a child for the homosexual lifestyle anyway??

Simple... Homosexuality is a choice. If it was like a race, as some make it out to be, it would be hard to recruit some to your race. Like going into a black community and trying to recruit whites!?! Why would anyone need to "indoctrinate" anyone, IF indeed they were "born" that way? The gay agenda is finally EXPOSED?

Daniel Villarreal..."I and a lot of other people want to indoctrinate, recruit, teach, and expose children to queer sexuality AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-jou...%29

Below is a site that tries to contrast the recruitment agenda...
"Seven Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child - Chapter 1
Whatever their motive, non-"gay" homosexualists play a big part in recruiting children into homosexuality, even though they themselves are not homosexual."
http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/book...

What do you think?
And does it even matter anymore?
UPDATE - 41 months ago
IF you doubt the agenda, check out the TARGET for American politics...

"The Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund works to elect LGBT leaders to public office for one simple reason. They change America's politics."
http://www.victoryfund.org/our_story/mis...
http://www.victoryfund.org/newsroom/in_t...

...if there was a target focus to elect "straight" political officials, the movement would be sued and disbanded.
UPDATE - 41 months ago
"AIM Report: Bay State Teens Taught Queer Sex
...This article showed how homosexuals are recruiting children in the public schools of Massachusetts. This is being promoted with public funds appropriated to support a program to make schools safe for homosexual students."
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report...
UPDATE - 41 months ago
An article addressing these matters of faith and conscience are being heard in the European Court... will the US have similar tribunals?

"European Court Tells U.K. Government to Clarify Rights of Christians...

"There seems to be a disproportionate animosity towards the Christian faith and the workings of the courts in the U.K. has led to deep injustice," she said.
"If we are successful in Strasbourg I hope the Equalities Act and other diversity legislation will be overturned or overhauled so that Christians are free to work and act in accordance with their conscience."
She added: "People with orthodox views on sexual ethics are excluded from employment because they don't fit in with the equalities and diversity agenda.
"It is this which we want to see addressed. Such injustice cannot be allowed to continue."

The European court will decide whether to have full hearings after U.K. ministers have responded."
http://www.christianpost.com/news/europe...
UPDATE - 40 months ago
NEWS FLASH: "'Gay'-rights leaderquits homosexuality
Rising star in movement says God liberated him from lifestyle...

He was a rising star in the "gay rights" movement, but Michael Glatze now declares not only has he given up activism – he's no longer a homosexual.
Glatze – who had become a frequent media source as founding editor of Young Gay America magazine – tells the story of his transformation in an exclusive column published today by WND."
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTI...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/magazi...%29
UPDATE - 40 months ago
I just took another look at the article "outing" and "bashing" the ex-gay Michael Glatze...
By BENOIT DENIZET-LEWIS at the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/magazi...

At first I though it was kind of a journal, kind of "life and times of Michael Glatze" courtesy of the New York Times... however it never features Michael's point of view, it is only a one-sided attack against someones "Ex-Gay Friend". I also looked on the internet for a rebuttal to this condescending portrayal of Glatze, by himself or associate... but I couldn't find one. It is clear that Michael Glatze wasn't trying to make this a "protest" or anything public... but that didn't stop those who have it in for him in the gay community...

...disgruntled and bewildered the writer trashes a man for switching sides, and the New York Times gives it full-press. Think about it... IF a man was "outed" by a strait guy... would the NYT give it press? NOT! The strait would be (metaphorically) lynched, shot, burned, stabbed and simmered for future ref on what not to do to a gay... but now "one of their own" jumps ship into a strait lifestyle and he is free to publicly bash and humiliate?

There seems to be a hypocritical stand here... gays bashing ex-gays, it may be that there is a fear of this type of retribution, that keeps more gays from going strait.... if it means to be publicly stalked and hunted down by past gay "friends"... this message is going out loud and strong for any would-be dissenters, and "closet straits". I also noticed a music video attached by Google Ads that depicts the hate against gays by straits... well it would seem, the video failed to include hate against gays from gays, if they want to be strait.
Where is all the love?
UPDATE - 40 months ago
Time magazine blasted for promoting 'gay teens'...
Time magazine's controversial cover story on "gay teens" is being denounced by critics as blatant homosexual propaganda – which is not surprising, since the Time journalist who researched and wrote the story is a homosexual with a long history of advancing "gay" causes, including the promotion of anonymous homosexual orgies."
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTI...
UPDATE - 40 months ago
"YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK
California lawmakers demand schools teach 'gay' history
A bill devised by a homosexual California lawmaker, Mark Leno, requiring schools to promote homosexuality and other alternative sexual lifestyles to children without parental permission or even knowledge has been approved by the legislature and is on its way to Gov. Jerry Brown....Thomasson outlined how the new law effectively will require textbooks and instructional materials to positively promote "lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans" as role models. It also will provide for teaching children as young as 6 years old to admire homosexuality, same-sex "marriages," bisexuality and cross-dressing, as well as "sex change" medical operations."
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie...
UPDATE - 39 months ago
You see it is not enough to be protected... VENGEANCE is what is in store for those not complying to the "tolerance" being fronted...

"Members of the Bash Back! team them sprang into action inside the worship center, flinging condoms and propaganda, staging two lesbians in a make-out scene in front of the pulpit and unfurling a banner from the balcony.
"Jesus was gay," they shouted among other profanities and blasphemies as they rushed the stage. Some forced their way through rows of women and kids to try to hang a profane banner from the balcony while others began tossing fliers into the air. Two women made their way to the pulpit and began to kiss."
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie...

...is this what Obama is sanctioning?
UPDATE - 39 months ago
What we are seeing in the West is really a Global agenda afoot... soon we all may be forced to PROMOTE homosexuality...

"A court ruling has found that Christians who want to provide foster care for needy children must PROMOTE homosexuality to them and that there is only a "qualified" right to exercise their Christian beliefs."
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie...

...where is the MORAL OUTRAGE for those being forced to "teach and believe" in homosexuality against their will??
UPDATE - 39 months ago
Pro-Gay Marriage Site Features Little Boys Kissing...
http://nation.foxnews.com/gay-marriage/2...

UPDATE - 39 months ago
"Voters asked to stop sexual indoctrination of children
550,000 signatures needed to force statewide vote on new law
...A team of family organizations and advocacy groups is beginning to collect signatures for a proposed California voter referendum to overturn the state's new law requiring schools to teach 'gay' history."
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vie...
UPDATE - 33 months ago
"State agency 'bullied' into supporting homosexuals...
"[It] is a homosexual youth group or activity group," he explains. "We would call it a recruitment center which affirms children ages 12 to 21 into the homosexual lifestyle, or that their homosexual desires or sexual confusion are okay." Clark reports "They filed a suit that's bullied [the BMV] into agreeing to create a specialty plate that funds Indiana Youth Group, which says on the Bureau of Motor Vehicles' website that part of the funds will go to set up Gay-Straight Alliance clubs in Indiana high schools across the state."
http://onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx...
UPDATE - 33 months ago
Here is a great website for those questioning their sexual identities, and what help and counselling resources are available...

Exodus International
http://exodusinternational.org/resources...#.TyBbYqVSTCW
UPDATE - 32 months ago
Homosexual Agenda Indoctrination Of Kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2RwfWFRw...

UPDATE - 31 months ago
"Don't Waste Your Life" - by John Piper
http://dwynrhh6bluza.cloudfront.net/reso...
UPDATE - 28 months ago
One Million Moms may have said it best: "Children desire to be just like superheroes. Children mimic superhero actions and even dress up in costumes to resemble these characters as much as possible. Can you imagine little boys saying, 'I want a boyfriend or husband like X-Men'? Why do adult gay men need comic superheroes as role models? They want to indoctrinate impressionable young minds by placing these gay characters on pedestals in a positive light."
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/3356...%29
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
41 months ago: Yeap, they're born that way, huh? So tell me again why they have to recruit new team mates?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: One of the most patently offensive and unenlightened comments I've ever read.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
40 months ago: Well thank you, Coloranter Raver!!

Would you care to expound upon your disgust derived from my comment?

Here's a tip, though. I happen to know for a fact that not all practicing homosexuals were born that way.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
40 months ago: Unenlightened. An interesting word with very little real meaning these days. Do you mean to use it in the sense that the Heaven's Gate cult did? Everyone else was unenlightened. And I also reckon that every crystal waving, new-age priestess considers those who don't buy into her particular strain of quackery as "unenlightened". But since you don't believe in the spiritual, I'll have to assume you mean to use it in the intellectual application.

But, I am tolerant of alternative opinions, factually well informed, and guided by rational thought, so I don't think the term "unenlightened" applies here. The words tolerant and supportive are not synonymous. While I do not abhor gay people, and I recognize their right to exist, and have even befriended a few, I will also always exercise my right as a parent to protect my children from being influenced by them.

One of the common misconceptions being foisted upon the general consciousness is that it is "normal" to experiment with homosexuality. That maybe we're missing out on something if we don't at least try it. Well, consider the amount of gay suicides, and then compare it to the number of suicides and other unproductive lives caused by a young person being persuaded into doing something that haunts them.

The boys that were abused by priests at least have a mental "out" in that they can say they were coerced into it. The ones who were convinced by the media, the promotion of gay agendas in schools, or by their peers know they only did it of their own free will. How many Choctaw Ridge reenactments occur every day?

dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
33 months ago: That's seriously messed up man. Gay suicides are NOT caused by feeling guilty about being gay. It's caused, like many other suicides, by conditions of their environment. Typically you see kids get beaten down by others, to the point where they see no other way out. The SAME EXACT way that many soldier suicides do! Is it the soldiers fault? No? Then how can you blame a child? If anything it's the adults around them who are to blame.

Some people may in fact choose to be gay, I can understand after some of the women I've dated. But it doesn't matter, this is America where we're supposed to be free and have liberty to pursue happiness however and with whomever we choose and yes, even born into. It is NOT hurting others, so it's no one's business.

Proslytizing is done in everything, christianity, gays, outlaw motorcycle clubs, disney's club penguin, etc. People want to attract others that are like them and want to share their interests/lifestyle, that's basic human nature. So if it's wrong for one, it's wrong for all.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
41 months ago: If I quote a Christian who makes appalling or ridiculous statements, does that mean all Christians are in agreement with that person? For example, the father of the Protestent movement, Martin Luther espoused violence against Jews.

So even if this gay person made those comments, that doesn't mean all gays are on the same sheet of music anymore than Christians are. Of course, you're also quoting from intolerant religious websites that rails against homosexuality.

If the religious right wasn't rabidly condemning gays and fostering intolerance, maybe the gays wouldn't feel compeled to have to fight back against the discrimination they face. It reminds me of when blacks engaged in civil disobedience back in the 1960s to gain civil rights and the response by those who have the same antipathy towards gays was to condemn the blacks as rioters. Well if white "Christian" America hadn't imposed slavery plus 100 years of Jim Crow, they probably wouldn't be rioting, would they?
41 months ago: Mark,

Are you the new Gay spokes person? Can you tell what is the common sentiment among homosexuals? You easily lot all religious nuts in one basket... quite surprising you have taken on this as your mediatory duty... as to the website ref I said... "Below is a site that tries to contrast the recruitment agenda..." ...how are they doing?
41 months ago: Mark,

This is not even close to the race issue... columnist Daniel Villarreal, and many others make it perfectly clear... and public school seems to be the recruitment office!
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: I say to each live and let live, but this is way over the top. I don't believe all gay people feel this way because many have been persecuted for their choice of life style and wouldn't want innocent minds to have to deal with it. Leave the kids alone and let them grow up without having more confusing ideology forced on them. This has nothing to do with intolerance of gay people. It has to do with a child's right to be free of other people's problems thrown at them when they are too young to digest it. Kids are smart today and are aware, but they don't have to have others asperations pushed on them. I would think it would increase anger and social division in schools because of the values in their own homes and their own parents influence. This is too conflicting. There will be less acceptance among school aged children than we have at present. With the recent suicides, shouldn't this say something. I don't think infiltrating a public school system is the answer. It may be easier but not the answer. Too many side effects.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
41 months ago: No, I'm the spokesman against hate-mongers, especially those who do so under the veil of their supremacist religions. The fundamentalist websites you quote from are merely engaging in boogeyman propaganda to paint all Gays with a broad brush and inflame their gullible followers.

..Can you tell what is the common sentiment among homosexuals?..

No the correct question is how can you say that one person's sentiment is for the sentiment for all. Your question is as absurd as asking you to prove the sentiment of all Christians vice Jews is not the same as that of Martin Luther.
41 months ago: Mark,

IF someone disagrees with you or the going fad, you call it hate... I guess the first one to yell "hate-crime" is the winner !:]
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: TB, are you the non-gay spokesperson, because I not many, many non-gay people who do not share your opinions or obvious hatred and loathing for gay people.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: Nice response Sunny! It's also still unclear based on my research if the aforementioned activist ever said what he's quoted as saying.

What I think is so compelling is that non-gay people cannot accept that people are born the way they are born. You cannot recruit people. I think most honest non-gays can comprehend this by asking themselves one simple question, "Could I ever play for the other team?" to use the euphemism. If you truly are non-gay, you cannot picture being gay any more than a gay person can picture being non-gay. If you are a non-gay person, do you relish watching gay people kiss and relate to it? Now picture the opposite. Therefore, the idea you can recruit people is silly. One might be able to wipe away sufficient stigmas, however, to allow a very closeted gay person to come out. This is not being recruited nor is it a realization. Most of my gay associates state firmly then knew they were not into the opposite gender from a very early age, some as early as 5 or 6. Ask a non-gay when he or she knew she or he was non-gay? Why is this all so complicated for non-gays to comprehend?

Now, are there gays and non-gays who dabble in each other's pools? Yes, yes there are. People dabble. We experiment. We try new things. So what?
40 months ago: CR,

Having an opinion is not hate... I have nothing but love, I just don't have much of a "filter" !:]
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
41 months ago: Oh, you mean like the statements in this article...which you have not rebuked as painting all conservatives and Tea Partiers as 5/21 Rapturists.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/What-Hapens...
41 months ago: Mark you said...

"If I quote a Christian who makes appalling or ridiculous statements, does that mean all Christians are in agreement with that person?"

...you do it all the time! You continually lump us all into the same pile to make a case for Christian haters... and intolerant bigots.
sunny2
sunny2
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Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
41 months ago: Well, this is one case where I believe in equal time. Absolutely zero time in school discussing sexuality of any kind for my elementary school student. That's not a request.
41 months ago: OOTB,

YOU nailed it... and we can eliminate promoting religious beliefs too, like evolution.
dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
33 months ago: Evolution is science. Science is made of theories, otherwise known as educated guesses. Read up on gallapagos island history in the 1900s and the study of animals during that time and you'll see why it's still accepted. The process does happen. Gravity is a theory, or an educated guess to explain something. Evolution does not mean there's no God or anything like that either, it's actually more common today that scientists think it describes his process of creation.
33 months ago: dave_geek19,

There is a far cry from gallapagos birds adapting... than apes to men... and since you can probably simulate adapting birds in a lab, and not apes to men... "macro evolution" (apes to men) is not science! Unless you have managed to produce such in a lab...
sunny2
sunny2
33 months ago: God isn't made up of theories.
I wouldn't believe everything you read, especially science theories since it changes so much from day to day.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: I wrote a post about teaching about sexuality in schools a while ago, but here's the thing, people, in my educational opinion, need to be raised in an environment where they see people like themselves in order to grow up whole. If you are a non-gay person, try to imagine growing up in a world where there are no, zero, none non-gays? How would you turn out? Would you spend most of yoru life confused? Would you think you were broken, weird, etc.? Why is it so hard for non-gays to get this point. It's analogous to growing up the only African-American kid in you neighborhood. The difference is that most African-American kids at least have African-American parents, whereas most gay kids do not have gay parents.

There is a huge difference between teaching sexuality and sexual practices to kids and teachign them about a huge variety of parenting and family styles. To illustrate, I'm sorry, but I don't really want my kids growing up learning all about the sexual escapades of John Edwards nor Arnold Schwarzenegger. My kids don't need to know about that. But, I do want them to grow up feeling whole, and unless you have some kind of kid gaydar that can tell me if my two and three year old will grow up gay, I want them to feel whole and not to grow up with the hate against themselves or others manifested so prominently in this discussion.
40 months ago: CR,

NOW imagine the opposite... a society where everyone is "gay" ....you wouldn't be confused, because you wouldn't have to worry about growing up at all! How about leave the sexual education to the parents... and stop the social-engineering? IF you were true to your "Origins of Species" ...you would encourage the survival of those who could procreate, and let the others survive as long as they could naturally.
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: As a Mom I would totally be against anyone trying to sway my child toward their beliefs. I don't believe in the schools discussing sexuality of any kind for the youngest children. We had Health Classes when I was a kid which was okay. The problems were are having are very dominant on the outside with television influencing sexualizing children at a young age.
Violence on television promotes crime. Kids don't get it whats right or wrong. Television is a teaching tool for bad character to be promoted. In the home is where the real influence comes. I don't believe any parent would stand by and allow anyone to come into a school system and deliberately go after their children. God knows where that would lead.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: Sunny, you continue to have valid points. But again, there's a difference to teaching young kids about sexuality and allowing them to understand there are all kinds of people. In a non-gay majority world there are so few touchstones for gay kids growing up, so few role models, virtually no fairy tales, etc. It's a wonder that any gay people turn out half okay. And there is a difference between there being a story in a book about a beautiful princess falling in love with another beautiful princess from another land and living happily ever after and teaching about the particulars of sexuality, I think we can all agree. Why squelch kids from exposure to all legally permissible kinds of families and all legally permissible kinds of relationships?

Alas, I agree with you that television is chief problem as is the violence therein.
40 months ago: CR,

You mentioned... "virtually no fairy tales, etc. It's a wonder that any gay people turn out half okay." ...just listen to yourself... and ask why? From the beginning of time homosexuality has be an anomaly ...not the norm. I guess all we need to do now is re-write history... so someones "self-esteem" is supported. There is all kinds of relationships, I'll agree, but some have a way of producing future generations without "stacking the deck" scientifically or socially.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
40 months ago: I have to jump in here with CR's use of the term "legally permissible". Hmmm, you know in many states, homosexual behavior is still illegal. Same goes for anything other than lights off, man and woman, no weird positions.

My grandmother married a 25 year old man when she was the ripe old age of 14. They were married for 60 years and had a happy productive family together. Today, he would have been thrown in jail for child abuse.

What does "legally permissible" have to do with anything?
dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
33 months ago: Homosexuality has been around since the "beginning". Man-boy love in roman times, and all the way before and after that. It was never looked at as an "anomaly" in those times. Animals across the entire animal kingdom engage in it as well. It occurs in nature, it occurs in humans, it's just a part of life.

The Spartans used it to make the fighting units function more cohesively. It's all over history if you read enough.
33 months ago: NO problem dave_geek19,

let them have their own children naturally... and they can teach them anything they want... until then quit forcing the gay agenda on the public. Leave all sex, religion and evolution out of schools, and have the state pay for some real education.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
33 months ago: dave_geek19

The Spartans are a poor example. If you can show me a credible scholarly source that claims the Spartans allowed homosexual relationships and lifestyles, I would appreciate it.

Otherwise, the movie "300" was just another indoctrination into accepting the gay lifestyle. Most ancient cultures who practiced pederasty did so with limitations. No two men were allowed to live as a couple, marrying a woman and having children was required to to be a respected member of the community, and even though snuggling and touching was allowed, even in Greece, homosexual penetration was a crime.

sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: It's ironic how some Groups want to take our kids and teach them their beliefs, but we have no say to the contrary. So that means we have to believe in what they believe? Sure that will be the day. I don't care what they do in life that's there business but why don't they mind their own business when it comes to private families raising their children.
41 months ago: Sunny,

I used to never mention my disagreement with the homosexual lifestyle, but until I saw it targeting and recruiting children... I have a few problems with that. You make an excellent point...

"It's ironic how some Groups want to take our kids and teach them their beliefs, but we have no say to the contrary."

...and this is the crucks of the matter... everyone has freedom of speech, except Christians! IF they call us bible punchers or any other names... we are the "intolerant" ones. IF they push their (evolution) theories down everyones throat in school and call it science, they say we are too pushy. IF we speak up against us they say we are just getting what we deserve! I guess it is politically correct to be hateful to some.
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: Truth.....Everyone and anyone has a right to get mad or upset when it comes to the protection of children. To me it would be like some stranger walking in and assuming parental rights by proxy and taking over a parent's job. We have a right to speak out. I do understand where you are coming from. The school system needs an overhaul.
I don't care what anyone does in their private lives as long as they are for the good of society and don't hurt anyone else along the way. Christians have been thrown to the lions eons ago, and we are still here. We must be doing something right.
41 months ago: Sunny,

We all used to say "live and let live" ...all the while their political agenda wasn't to just gain equal rights, it was to remove the rights of others to indoctrinate our children, and then prosecute us for defending our rights to retain our God-given rights, orientation, and freedom of speech.
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: Yes there are certain ones that will do this.
People are all different and some are quiet and don't bother others and don't force their ways on them. Then just like anything else there are those that will abuse. These are the particular ones that want to be noticed and will do anything to bring attention to themselves. They try to destroy anything they can't be a part of. It is a way of striking back. Kids are very vulnerable and confused themselves. They have to figure out who they are first let alone have some idiot go into a school system and confuse them more.
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: I've had people try to force their religion on me and while working you run into all sorts of behavior, and if you are lucky, you can avoid it without incident. In the work place I found hostility among those with different views and life styles. Believe me they can make your life miserable just like anyone else. They can sexually harass you until you have to leave because no one will speak out for you. That is the kind of bad energy that would be put out there if it got into the school systems.
Those that don't abuse anyone it is their choice to live the way they want.
God put billions of people on this earth for a purpose and not all of it we will understand, but I guess he does.

Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: TB, your comments to Sunny re: "live and let live" don't sit well. But since you are mostly completely incapable of putting the shoe on the other foot, I'm sure there's no convincing you. You are or have become utterly unable to comprehend another person's perspective. If I received three wishes from a genie today, I would use my first wish on you, I would wish that you would be transported back in time, knowing what you know now, but put into the body of a seven year old boy with your gay genes turned on this time. I would then want to watch you grow up and see how you turned out, to see if you were strong enough not to kill yourself as far too many gay teens do. To see if you would read the Bible and decide you were a sinner of thought and turn non-gay, get married and then fall off the wagon like Ted Haggard, to see if you grew up with a hatred of gay people or if you were filled with horrific self-loathing. It would be a worthy wish to have someone as perplexing as you to get to finally see the other side of things for once.

You continue to command positions you root in religion but either your understanding of your own religion is so poor or you're unwilling to actually practice what Jesus preached that your positions seem comical. It's hard to imagine Jesus taking the positions you take. If God thought being Gay was so sinful, why not use a commandment on it? If Jesus thought being Gay was so horrible why didn't he ever mention it even once to anyone?

Moving on, it's a common rhetorical device in debate to take the position you have that by fighting for rights, one group is squelching that of another. When women fought for suffrage in the USA there were countless men against it. When some thought it was wrong to enslave a people, a nation went to war against itself. Gay people fighting for basic human rights is not an attack on your freedom of speech insofar as your speech isn't hateful toward them. But, therein lies the truth you don't want to admit, so I'll admit it for you. You hate gay people, you hate them to your core. Time to admit it and move on from it.
40 months ago: CR,

I let you rant a bit about the lack of Jesus speaking on homosexuality... His words on marriage sum it all up...

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." (Matthew 19:4-6)

...homosexuality is excluded from what God intended, furthermore Jesus ratified the Law and the Prophets that established laws against homosexuality... not to mention Jesus is the God of the Old Testament that commanded it in the first place.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
40 months ago: That's the one. Good Job.
dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
33 months ago: Again you have a choice, you can send your kids to christian schools or homeschool them if the public system doesn't work the way you like.

By the very definition of what Science is, evolution IS science! But here's the thing about education, you have to be exposed to things that you DONT agree with!

That way you're not walking around thinking the world's only 3000 years old and is flat because a preacher said so, but can actually think for yourself.
dave_geek19
dave_geek19
Seattle, WA
33 months ago: So youre making a huge assumption that because Jesus didn't state "and gays too", that it implied he's ratifying as law that it's wrong? You can't infer things about what people say and intend because of the LACK of a statement on it. Jesus didn't say you shouldn't nuke muslims either, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing to do.

He's talking about marriage sealing a man and woman as one being, NOTHING ELSE.
33 months ago: dave_geek19,

People have the freedom to do what they want, I agree... just don't expect others to call it right, or trade in natural normalcy for a deviation.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: I think it's important to understand that I spent a month since reading this post researching and could find no gay rights advocate group that wants to teach yours or anyone else's children anything other than that they exist and are people too. That's it. They don't want to teach your kids anything about sex or sexuality. But, I think it's pretty interesting that there are millions of gay people in this country and being taught a non-gay lifestyle and modeled one by parents, they still didn't turn out non-gay, so why would non-gay children turn out gay if they were exposed to gay families?

It's really time, if we are to have intellectual discussions on any topic to separate discussions of sex and sexuality from families and people and who they love.
40 months ago: CR,

This post is about the indoctrination of youth and the recruitment of them for a lifestyle that has to be taught. IF left to nature... the honest results would be evident.
Out Of The Box
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40 months ago:
Why would a child turn out gay (or try on the gay lifestyle to see if it fits) if exposed to gay families? Do you understand at all how children grow and mature? They emulate. They take little pieces of everything they experience and make it into themselves.

I wonder how many straight but confused young people have been fooled by the feigned happy-go-lucky gay image being projected by the agenda driven media, and have tried something which will haunt them for the rest of their lives?

Dwayne Johnson
Dwayne Johnson
41 months ago: RANDOM INTERJECTION OF THE DAY: Bisexuals are either vilified or glossed over in hardcore rainbow groups. Why? Because bisexuals undo the gay gospel that one is born queer or straight. Most of the time bisexuals are referred to being in a confused or transitory state. Gays don't like Bisexuals to speak up for themselves because their lifestyle does not click with the message born queer. Bisexuals are almost always born straight and introduced into a gay lifestyle that they don't completely embrace. Thus leaving them in a Bisexual limbo of sorts that they almost always fully embrace. Again, not the coming out of the closet that Rainbow groups hope for!
41 months ago: Good Point!
Huey Newton
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41 months ago: Really good point.

Sheryl Swoopes was called all kinds of nasty names for saying that being gay is a chosen lifestyle, not a biological inevitability.

They wanted her to be a hero. When she didn't parrot the party line she became an ignorant b*tch.

Nice community.
41 months ago: DJ,

This just in proving more of what you said about bisexuals not fitting the agenda...

Bisexual men sue gay softball event after being disqualified for 'not being gay enough'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
Stear
Stear
Cuddebackville, NY
40 months ago: Gonna Guess You've Skipped a Few Parades. GLBTQ includes Bisexual. Any Hardcore group will gloss over some. I don't care what their social agenda. It must be very easy for some to sit behind a computer and look up a reason to hate a social group. Unless you are Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, or Questioning. You have no idea what life has put on your plate, so for those writing about it without living the life, your thoughts are worthless dribble. The only group that has interest in recruiting children is NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) and they are extremely hated by every gay group. the reason for teaching about homosexuality is to prevent future hate crimes and to ease the pain of the child that knows he or she is different. Again unless you live it you have no understanding whatsoever. Good Day
40 months ago: Stear,

It seems NAMBLA has gained approval with current administration...

"Obama appointee lauded NAMBLA figure...
Kevin Jennings, President Obama's Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Office of Safe and Drug FreeSchools at the U.S. Department of Education, is in hot water this week for having failed to report that a 15-year-old sophomore student in his school had told him of having sex with an older man... But failure to report what appeared to be a case of statuatory rape of a child may be the least of Jennings' worries. Lori Roman of Regular Folks United points to statements by Jennings a decade or more ago when he praised Harry Hay of the North American Association for Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which promotes the legalization of sexual abuse of young boys by older men."
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/belt...

sunny2
sunny2
40 months ago: How sick is it going to get before it ends?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: Now, that's a good point! Thank you for standing up and speaking out.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: TB, do you ever even read the stuff you cite or do you just use key terms in Google® and then paste in links if they sound right? Go back and read and you'll find the sensationalistic headline obviously selected to get lots of clicks and ad revenues, bears little reality in either what the story is actually about or what is believed to be true. Just read it.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: I don't think it's a good point any more than saying that a person who is half African and half white Iowan could never grow up to be President of the USA.

I've never known non-gay people who thought bisexual people were all that and a bag of chips. Yet, as is typical in a hate-filled thread like this one, it's easy to resort to stereotypes. So, let's do it. There are gay people who don't get bisexuality any more than the non-gays who don't get it. This goes back to my earlier mentioning of the now-vilified Kinsey report that suggested all people fall on a 100% gay to 100% straight continuum. The fact that there are people who like dabbling in the waters of the other team means nothing and has nothing to do with whether non-gays deserve rights. What gay people don't like is when non-gays try to use bisexuals as evidence that ones sexual identity is a choice. But people who chose to bat for another team are not choosing their identity, they are just playing around.
40 months ago: CR,

Typical leftest defense... anything contrary is "hate-filled" ...I disagree, where is that hate filled? I don't agree with you, I don't hate you... I don't even know you... I just disagree. What you are saying is you don't like free speech, rather unconstitutional and rather un American wouldn't you say. I don't come at you saying you are hateful just because you disagree with me... albeit vehemently.
40 months ago: I just exposed a report of what a gay man said.
Dwayne Johnson
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41 months ago: I'm sure the Rainbow groups don't think so. If they were so liberal they would let them speak their peace but as you pointed out, they have an agenda and Bisexuals are in the way. Bisexuals mostly keep quiet because being part of the queer movement allows them their lifestyles.
markbyrn
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41 months ago: There's definitely one group that make absolutes about homosexuality NOT being biological and that's religious fundamentalists who irrationally foam that it's not in accordance with the dictates of their imaginary deities. That's not Science or biology - it's the same ignorant superstition that's been responsible for all kind of historical mayhem, intolerance, and loathing of any Science that conflicts with their religion.

And of course these same rabid fundamentalist will quote Swoopes if it suits their purposes but they'll still rain down their deities eternal wrath on her for committing homosexual acts.

…Because bisexuals undo the gay gospel that one is born queer or straight...

And conversely, whether or not homosexuality is attributable to biology, physiology, or psychology doesn't mean that they should be denied the same rights as hetrosexuals or treated as pariahs because hypocritical religionists spew their irrational venom. If there's a gospel here, its the barbaric religious kind that tramples on other people's rights, and adjures the government to enforce their singular religious order.

The hard reality here is the only people that are fighting against gay rights and keeping them in pariah status are the rabid religious with their bibles a thumping, and of course this post was started by such a person. Go figure.
Out Of The Box
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41 months ago: >>>The hard reality here ...<<<

You sure about that? Or would it be that secular homophobes hate gays just as much, but just don't have an organized voice? I'm quite certain that, human nature being what it is, the very stark "differentness" between the average hetero and the average gay person is enough to spark a distrust, if not an outright dislike.

That being said, laying this at the feet of only the conservative evangelicals is untrue and unfair.
41 months ago: Mark,

"Mayhem intolerance loathing rabid wrath irrational venom barbaric" the only consistent foaming of these sentiments come from you... nowhere do I give an inkling of hate, yet you seem to bring it with each comment. As to who started this post, you can thank Daniel Villarreal for his column... that you irrationally turned on me... I wasn't the one who said I wanted to indoctrinate children, with my choice.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: Ah, TB, but you do hate don't you? You are like the white people of the south who used to sit on their porch sipping mint juleps and say things like, I don't hate the Negro, but I don't want anyone thinking the Negro is anything other than where it should be in my plantation. I mean, after all, God made man in His image. I go to church, and it looks to me like Jesus was a white man, so nothing more need be said.
40 months ago: CR,

Don't add insult to ignorance... Jesus was actually from a mixed group, even Moses was married to a black woman. Get your facts right. I was raised as a minority... I was 13 before I knew for sure I wasn't going to be part of my coveted race !:]
Huey Newton
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41 months ago: "And of course these same rabid fundamentalist will quote Swoopes if it suits their purposes but they'll still rain down their deities eternal wrath on her for committing homosexual acts."

I know you can't be adressing me. 'Cause if you are you are in gross error and maybe you really don't understand where I'm coming from.

I am not rabid nor anywhere have I put "eternal wrath" on her for anything. I like Sheryl Swoops.

The point I was making is that the folks in her own commuity, the ones we would think would be accepting of her called her a b*tch and a lot of other vulgar not nice words. That's as bad as any so-called Christian fundamentalist damning her to hell in my book. Should be in yours too if you're gonna play fair, right?

That was the point. Get it right.
Out Of The Box
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41 months ago: Well, of course the hypocrisy of "tolerance" can't be pointed out. They will be tolerant of those, even in their own camp, who demonstrate the same reasoning and ideals as their own.

Now they have Sheryl Swoops, one of their own, living the same lifestyle, going through the same battles. Now that she says her beliefs don't exactly line up with theirs, the tolerance goes out the window.
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: Box I think jealousy comes into play in some cases. You can't do anything with that.
Someone makes a stand for their beliefs and others don't like the attention they get.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: And those of us who have actually read the Bible and know that regardless of what anyone believes it's not the God-written word of God, there's not a whole lot in the Bible about homosexuality one way or another, but yet these pedantic haters latch onto things and won't let go. They believe, I guess that their God wants them to be haters and use up every spare second of their lives hating anyone or anything they perceive to be hatable.
40 months ago: CR,

Let me ask a question... are all policemen haters? They police the public and arrest those who break the law. Now take the Jews as God's "policemen" ...they were not haters, but merely upholding the law... if you want call God a "hater" it is His laws. IF we agree that something is wrong... it doesn't make us haters, only adherents to the laws and commandments of God. You seem a little bitter... if not hateful?
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41 months ago: Here is a thought for all of you.
You know the Bible is a living Book because you live and breathe it.
With that said each day as I see it a new page is written for humanity.
It would be nice if good things could be said and history made that shows we learned something since the beginning. To me it seems nothing is ever settled, and life is one big circle that comes and punches someone in the face over and over again. I wish it could be where people compromised. We don't make the rules because those were outlined for us thousands of years ago. I don't think anyone follows the straight and narrow all the time, but chooses their own way of thinking with no give or take.
I'm not right all the time, but at least I'm willing to try and understand because that is what we are suppose to do to get along.
Huey Newton
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41 months ago: "I'm not right all the time, but at least I'm willing to try and understand because that is what we are suppose to do to get along. "

Bravo. It would be a different world if more people thought that way Sunny.
sunny2
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41 months ago: Every body is important. That's how I see it.
Thanks Huey for acknowledging.
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: Do the discoveries and findings of science have any place in resolving any of your superfluous comments? You look for answers from authors and preachers who base their knowledge from opinions and conjecture.
What about scientific facts? Some are not all born physically correct, and it has been proven. It makes sense.
markbyrn
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41 months ago: Truthbarry,

Who you trying to kid here? You put up a post with an inflammatory picture to accuse gays of recruiting children and the religious sycophants parrot in with quotes like, "Yeap, they're born that way, huh? So tell me again why they have to recruit new team mates?"

Maybe you're obsessed with this gays recruiting children concept because religious proselyters bend over backwards to to recruit other people's children to their religion. Ironically, the pejorative religious quote that "homosexuals don't reproduce - they recruit" can also apply to evangelical Christians and other religions that proselytize, or do you believe that babies are born Christian? So even if your claim that gays recruit was true, what's the problem considering the religious do the same?

And Huey, saying you like Sheryl doesn't mean you approve of her gay lifestyle or that your religion doesn't condemn her lifestyle as a practicing homosexual. Perhaps you could clarify, and I'll stand corrected.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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41 months ago: I was looking for an answer to my question. If they are born gay, why would they feel the need to recruit?

I have gay friends... I've even been to a gay bar, with my female date. Had a great time, by the way. I don't care what they do in private, but my gay friends keep it out of my face. We don't discuss their sexuality. On the other hand, I'm a cigarette smoker. (soon to be ex-smoker). I smoke(d?) but I kept it to myself. Yet, I hear tons of anti-smoking propaganda every day.

Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
40 months ago: Just to play devil's advocate here, of course, but how many non-gay images, gestures, embraces, etc. is the average gay person confronted with on a daily basis? 99% of all commercials, ads, etc. in public. All or nothing if you ask me. It's all fine to say I have gay friends who don't shove it in my face. Do you shove your sexuality in their faces? Do you hold hand with your date in public, do you kiss?
40 months ago: CR,

What's "acceptable" changes in society depending on the political "winds" ...but in order to make this whole agenda possible, public school indoctrination is a must, merely letting "nature" take it's course will see their natural depletion. That is what is affirmed in the lead article being sited in this post.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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40 months ago: What people do in public or private is their own business, as far as I'm concerned. What they say to, or expose my child to, is my business. I'm certain that none of my children will turn out gay. When we see someone, we know they have the right to be whoever they are. We also know that they don't have the right to start explaining themselves to my kids.

Believe it or not, I have gay friends that I am quite honest with. They know they can leave their gayness at home, the same as I leave my hetero-ness at home. People are more than their sexuality, and should not pin their entire face on displaying it.
40 months ago: just wondering Out Of The box how does one leave there hetero-ness at home? lol
Huey Newton
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41 months ago: Swoops doesn't need me to affirm her lifestyle. It's her life and her choice.

That's the point.

The problem is that the very people who want to be unconditionally accepted by others, spit loads of venom at her when she refused to be their parrot. When she would not be put into a nice little box, they marginalized her. That is hypocritical and it is wrong. I'll say it if you won't.

Also, it's not necessary to have and appreciation for every aspect of someone's life in order to respect the person. The woman has had a tremendous career and has been a phenomenal ball player. I have had many good times watching her play. I appreciate her giving me that.

BTW - last I checked sin is still sin, it's all condemned, and we are all guilty of it.
41 months ago: Mark,

You said... "You put up a post with an inflammatory picture to accuse gays of recruiting children" ...have you lost your ability to read? As a very astute analogist you failed to see that I was only quoting "inflammatory" statements from Daniel Villarreal, and posted a picture to match. Nice try.
Huey Newton
Huey Newton
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41 months ago: MB - you called me out. That's fair. I came back to clarify as per your request. Now what?
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
41 months ago: Uh Mark? Maybe he is obsessed with not allowing this to happen again and again by the "Chicken Wing".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Corll
41 months ago: Mark,

As to your question... "do you believe that babies are born Christian?"

...pretty much! We all start out believing in God... and then we get "educated, indoctrinated, brainwashed and deprogrammed" ...from our natural state.

"Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 19:14
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: I'll talk anyway....I'm a ghost.
Not everyone is born that way because I know of friends who have chosen that lifestyle. They don't ever bother me. I know they weren't born gay for a fact.
Others have a problem because they don't have everything intact. I don't know why that is so hard to believe. It is a physical thing which winds up being emothional. Some have problems we can see others don't.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
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41 months ago: Sunny

You are absolutely right. Some people do have abnormalities caused by environmental toxins, diet, and certain drugs. Some drugs, when used during pregnancy, have been strongly linked to homosexuality in male offspring. Other environmental studies have linked poisons and foods like estrogen rich soybean oil with gender confusion with increased homosexual behavior.

But now, with the estrogen blockers and testosterone treatments, the disability can be treated.
41 months ago: IF you doubt the agenda, check out the TARGET for American politics...

"The Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund works to elect LGBT leaders to public office for one simple reason. They change America's politics."
http://www.victoryfund.org/our_story/mis...
http://www.victoryfund.org/newsroom/in_t...

...if there was a target focus to elect "straight" political officials, the movement would be sued and disbanded.
41 months ago: "AIM Report: Bay State Teens Taught Queer Sex
...This article showed how homosexuals are recruiting children in the public schools of Massachusetts. This is being promoted with public funds appropriated to support a program to make schools safe for homosexual students."
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report...
markbyrn
markbyrn
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41 months ago: Huey, here's what I said,

"And Huey, saying you like Sheryl doesn't mean you approve of her gay lifestyle or that your religion doesn't condemn her lifestyle as a practicing homosexual. Perhaps you could clarify, and I'll stand corrected."

and here's the relevant part of response,

"Swoops doesn't need me to affirm her lifestyle. It's her life and her choice…BTW - last I checked sin is still sin, it's all condemned, and we are all guilty of it."

It seems to me that the religious right has taken the tact of employing evasive language because the old tact of overtly condemning homosexuality doesn't wash anymore. How about just telling me that you don't or do approve, and that homosexuality is or is not a sin according to your Bible?

Let me ask you it in different way- could Swoopes join your Church or group of believers as a Christian member in good standing while being a practicing homosexual, and one that believes homosexuality is NOT a sin?

Let me quote from the largest evangelical denomination in the United States - the Southern Baptist Convention:

http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/pssexuality.a...

"We affirm God's plan for marriage and sexual intimacy – one man, and one woman, for life. Homosexuality is not a "valid alternative lifestyle." The Bible condemns it as sin. It is not, however, unforgivable sin. The same redemption available to all sinners is available to homosexuals. They, too, may become new creations in Christ."

Do you agree with that statement above?
41 months ago: Mark,

There are many things that rank up in the "abomination" class with God...

"Lying lips [are] abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly [are] his delight." (Proverbs 12:22)

...some like to give greater "damnation" to those of a different orientation, yet lying with God is classed as bad as it gets... yet we don't hear much about that. I understand how hypocritical it all is, but this rant is not about one's performance adding up to my requirements or someone else's... it is about some one coming out and saying they have an agenda and mandate as a homosexual to indoctrinate children... so that their lifestyle can continue... and there are others too that echo those sentiments, of which I am bringing to light by this rant.
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41 months ago: My whole response was relevant. Maybe not to you because all you are looking to do right now is stir up trouble.

Nothing evasive about my response and I'm not going to let you put words in my mouth either. It's not my job or responsibility to condemn anyone nor can you point to anything I have ever written during my sojourn here I do.

Also - I don't know why you and a couple of other knuckles continue to categorize me as "religious right." That's not me.

What is taught is this - John 3:18 - "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." That's the deciding factor.

Homosexuality is a sin. I don't shrink from that, but I'm not going to condemn Sheryl either. That's between her and God.
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
41 months ago: Mark, you must have missed the last seven words.....

"and we are all guilty of it"

Unless.....your not.

I don't think that was very evasive.

Dwayne Johnson
Dwayne Johnson
41 months ago: Mark, you are a Christo-phobe! How does that ring to you? You are afraid of Christians! You hate Christians! You don't want Christians to have equal rights. Does that sound like a fair appraisal of you? No? Well then replace Christo with homo and presto you get an agenda slogan from a well funded group with an agenda!

Sexuality is fluid. It is like eating. It is affected by experience and genetics. People both gay and straight are afraid of it because it means being accepted or rejected by the social groups we have to interact with. Let's not pretend that one group is less culpable than another. We all get high and mighty once we are drunk with power. TB's point is that gay's have an agenda and that point has been proven true. Now move on!
The Cypress Gang
The Cypress Gang
41 months ago: Dwayne, I love you man! Dang! Mark, I love you also......

Now shut up and wash my sins. Sorry, that job has been taken.

Bible-thump-thump-thump.

Mark, maybe you should write a book about your religion.....
Like Hubbard.
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41 months ago: Wouldn't betrayal of another be the worse sin? If you ever experienced it, you would know there is nothing to compare. Isn't that a Big Sin in the Bible. You also have seen these big shot crooks that have been extorting monies from innocent people sentenced to life in prison because of their actions. In one way or another, some people will try to exploit others, and then there are others who would never think of it.
Also, no one would want a religion forced on them outside of their own beliefs, and I find forcing any kind of beliefs wrong. People have tried to do that to me, and it just didn't work. Some will get pretty hostile. I've also been in work places where you can be sexually harassed by Gay people just like the so called straight people do. Why is one so different than the other when it can cause harm?
We may not like what they do, but we cannot judge because we are not perfect ourselves. If you have a family member or a friend who has chosen a Gay lifestyle, you don't hate them. You care about them in most cases unless it is an extreme problem and causes disruption of lives. That can be caused by other things too. Maybe you don't like it but when you care and love a person, it is unconditional. There are all different situations. Disliking a certain way of life is up to each person. You can accept it but not agree with it. You can adore a person, but not get involved with what they do because it isn't who you are. It is never going to change so why even talk about it. It is a situation bigger than we are. There is so much prejudice out there anyway and no one is excluded from it. If there are people who out and out hate, who is going to change their minds. That's the way it is. I personally pretty much like everybody and have nothing against people. Doesn't mean they will be that way back to me, but no big deal.

DEL
41 months ago: What I don't get is that if I don't agree with someone, based on the Bible it is called "hate" and intolerant; when someone doesn't agree with the Bible it is "free-thinking"?
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: If it is any consolation, I don't think that way.
Like I said..the Bible is a Living Book. Each day we write a page in it by our actions. It is something that goes on and on forever. It just wasn't written thousands of years ago not to go forward.
Huey Newton
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41 months ago: What it's called TB is a double standard.

When we don't roll over, that makes them hate us even more. So much for tolerance.

41 months ago: Wow this is some crazy stuff on here. For one gay men do not recruit kids and 2 schools do not either. Who ever Daniel Villarreal he does not speck for all gay people in this country. God created everyone of us just the way we are. And God will continue too do so until everyone excepts and loves there children no matter who or what they become. Being gay is not a sickness it is not something you can teach and change a person into being. You are either born that way or your not. It is the church that preaches the hate in too the hearts of there followers. No matter what people do or say god will keep sending you gay children the best thing to do is just love and protect them.
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41 months ago: Kqm Well said.
41 months ago: Kqm2010,

To answer your 1, and 2... read the whole article...
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report...

41 months ago: LET me ask a question...
IF I wanted to have a gay relationship, would I have been gay all along?
sunny2
sunny2
41 months ago: Not for anything, but I can't picture that.

I think part of it is choice anyway.
I really don't believe all are born that way.
41 months ago: "Of course not "being with a man does not make you gay at all. Now let me ask do you really think having sex with a man would really make you gay or should I say transform you in too a gay man? I don't think so
41 months ago: Kqm2010,

You said... "Of course not "being with a man does not make you gay at all...having sex with a man would really make you gay or should I say transform you in too a gay man? I don't think so". My question then is what is a gay man?
41 months ago: A gay man is not much different then you when you look at a women. They see the same thing when they look at a man. They feel the same about men as you feel about women. A attraction too the same sex is there the day your born. Some are fem some are masculine but able too love a man just like a women. And not even be attracted to a women. But what is a gay man just a label truth be told a gay man is just a man no different then or me..
Out Of The Box
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41 months ago: So is a gay man and a homosexual man the same thing? If so, then, by definition, wouldn't the act of having sex with the same sex make one a homosexual, thereby also inferring gayness upon him?

I realize there are bisexuals, who do not consider themselves "gay", who by their very nature would just as soon have sex with a man or a woman. Where do these people fit in? Were they born that way too? And all the lesbian stereotypes, who, after abuse or disillusionment at the hands of a man, decide to become homosexual to avoid future pain and heartache. Were these women born that way, or did environment and conscious decision-making processes play the major roles in their "conversion"?

I had a gay friend tell me he could have gone either way, men or women, but what it all boiled down to was that the gay lifestyle was more exciting, because it was more taboo. The thrill of possibly getting caught was what made him go completely homosexual. God rest his soul, he died of AIDS about ten years ago. His promiscuity and total abandon, his quest for sexual perversion and debauchery cost him his life, and no telling how many sexual partners died because of him.
I'm not saying he's any worse or better than a straight person seeking Caligulaean sexual conquests, throwing all caution to the winds. I'm just relating what he told me.
sunny2
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41 months ago: I don't know why people say God is not here, so he can't answer their questions.
This is all about Faith.
Anyway we pray, and he answers one way or the other what we pray for.
Answers are the surprise we find in heaven.
41 months ago: Markbyrn,

I always wanted to ask... are those your legs,
...or are you riding a chicken?
41 months ago: The following is a site offering a PDF "Homosexuality in Your Child's School" to educate the public on their take of "the pro-homosexual movement"...

"Despite decades of activism and media propaganda promoting acceptance and celebration of homosexuality, and a number of political and judicial victories for the pro-homosexual movement, polls show that a clear majority of Americans still believe that homosexual behavior is "morally wrong." Pro-homosexual activists have therefore decided that indoctrinating impressionable school children is an easier way of changing public attitudes toward homosexuality than persuading adults.

This pamphlet describes how pro-homosexual activists work their way up from seemingly innocent-sounding "safe schools" programs (which treat traditional values as being equivalent to racism), to one-sided "training" of teachers and students, to injecting homosexuality into every subject in the curriculum. Their final step is the active punishment of those who dare to express disapproval of homosexual behavior. This pamphlet will equip you to oppose this promotion of homosexuality in your child's school."
http://www.frc.org/content/homosexuality...
41 months ago: We hear all the time of those "hateful, intolerants" that protest the gay agenda, I am posting a few links to these so-called "hateful" sites so that the reader can see for themselves... it is merely a disagreement with the leaders and the direction this agenda is going....

"In their New York University Press classic, Lavender Culture, editors Jay and Young present Gerald Hannon address "Gay Youth and the Question of Consent." This prestigious homosexual political manifesto candidly describes the organized homosexual campaign to recruit children. "I believe . . . we have to behave in a certain way vis-à-vis young people. I believe that means we have to proselytize . . . . The answer is to proselytize. Aggressively so."The homosexual movement has long advocated ending age of consent laws..."
http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/reis/r...
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41 months ago: This will upset their growth emotionally. How can kids deal with it?
Hard enough growing up and having to get through day by day in school learning how to interact with their peers. This could upset the cart academically for them, too, whereby they won't be able to concentrate and focus on studies. It might open up a whole new can of worms.
41 months ago: Sunny,

I think that many of these kids have become pawns in a game that adults are playing to get their way. It seems those with an agenda would put kids in harms way, and use their naive lives to be the sacrifice on the altar of their own political movement... like strapping a bomb and sending them out to be another tragedy. The adults should bring their own case and let children be children. Leave sex, religion and theories out of the class... and really equip kids to free think... it may surprise everyone. Common sense may not be so common... but given room to grow without indoctrination...

We had a youth center, and some with their agenda wanted to fundraiser for us so that their books and pamphlets could be posted and handed out. They said it was so that those with such sexual orientation would feel welcome. I asked if they felt welcome to talk to me... they affirmed. I asked if they suspected any in the youth center at that time were of that sexual orientation... they affirmed. I asked if they seemed welcome... they affirmed. I said that our youth center was about friendship not sex. We are about love, not sex. We all need to be loved... we don't all need sex... our youth center was not about sex it was about love. We didn't discriminate... we just chose to focus on the most important thing... love and friendship.

They were puzzled... but had to agree.
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41 months ago: Truth....These times are making kids victims because the way it is we are suppose to accept everything and anything or else someone might be offended.
Gees it is even difficult to do something that might be healthy and good for kids without someone's agenda blocking the way.
Well, you tried and on the right track. Keep trying.
I think a Youth Center should be just that and religion and extreme beliefs should not be infiltrated into it. We are trying to do something for the kids over here to benefit their education. I can't believe how some want to profit from it.

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41 months ago: Truth....You are right kids need that freedom to grow without adults trying to bend their minds into forcing acceptance. It is a form of abuse.
Free thinkers can become the best people when pointed in the right direction and given a chance. They become creative, ingenious, and leaders. The time being young can't be wasted. These adults that you refer to had their time, so they should leave the kids alone to do their own growing up.
41 months ago: Some people like Wheaties and some prefer Corn Flakes. Some are allergic to chocolate (poor, dear people) and some to peanut oil. Good Gosh! Are any of these things because of what we learn or don't learn in school? lol
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41 months ago: I don't know Terryeo. You had any pickled pigs snouts lately? Any sheep's eyeballs? How about one of these?http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/troufs/anthfood/images/Desert_People_boy-eating-grub-worm.jpg

Think maybe because you weren't exposed to it as a normal food might have something to do with it?
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41 months ago: Box that's a good one.
41 months ago: I confess, generally, I'm able to pick from a range of FDA approved foods at a refigerated, indoor market. There is some peace of mind to this, on the other hand, there is some struggle to bring in enough income.

But I'll say, an eyeball is going to be 99 percent liquid. Desert people, like me, are going to have some struggle procuring food. Their day to day struggle is slightly different than mine, they don't have anyone to complain to if a grub worm causes indigestion. Although I've caught and eaten a few animals, mostly fish, I can say I didn't feel any more (or less) gay after eating the Earth's bounty.
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41 months ago: So you've given up on your food analogy comparing someone's sexual appetites to their choices of foods or "natural" proclivities?

Or are you saying that you've chosen from one or more of the federally accepted sexual lifestyles? So how do you feel about the sexual activities not on the list? Necrophilia, zoophilia, pedophilia, etc. all could be argued as natural (nature's bounty?) in the same way that homosexuality is. Do you condone these behaviors as a natural phenomena? Obviously they occur because something in the makeup of the ones doing it makes them want to.
41 months ago: How do I feel? I feel you're attempting to bait me. How do you feel?
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41 months ago: Not trying to bait anybody. Simmer down. I was just asking if you thought homosexuality was any more or less natural than necrophilia, bestiality, or pedophilia.

In my opinion, using the criteria rationalizing homosexual behavior as "natural", any activity could be construed as natural. If someone wants to do something, anything, it's because that's the way they are made. Society is restricting their freedom to do what comes naturally to them.

And sure, homosexual behavior is acceptable between consenting adults, and the key words being "consenting adults." Necrophiliacs and zoophiliacs cannot prove consent, (well maybe the necro's could with a written consent form prior to their partners death, but I digress) Pedo's don't have the adult part covered, even if the victim is apparently a consenting minor.

So what part of "between consenting adults" includes teaching tolerance, of ANY sexual lifestyle, to school children? Keep sexuality where it belongs, BETWEEN ADULTS!!!
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41 months ago: Today's "tolerance" does not just mean I accept your individuality and respect your decisions. It means I must endorse them unconditionally or I am some type of irrational sociopath, phobic or an ignorant bigot.

Nonsense in the highest order.

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41 months ago: True, Huey. And to use peer pressure, the fear of being different from the majority, to make children profess to accept or embrace something they normally would not even consider is despicable. But it happens all the time.
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41 months ago: Sunny,

I agree, we must do all we can to provide a safe place for our children, yet for the other children outside of our care, we need to influence those in authority to keep education to matters of education... not indoctrination of certain agendas.
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41 months ago: Truth...Of course. It upsets me when anyone tries to influence any kids. We are involved at this moment in the development of education in a Town that is below educational standards. We are putting on an event to raise money for their programs. It is really a problem getting any of these politicians to speak at any of the functions when you ask for help. Even when you are doing this for their Community, they say they are too busy.