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Fringe Christian Hutaree militia indicted on terror charges

Posted 22 months ago|34 comments|1,709 views
Hutaree militia members.
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Chris D
Seattle, WA
In the last few days, the FBI has conducted raids on militias in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio, arresting and indicting as many as nine "Hutaree" militia members.

According to documents unsealed today in a Michigan U.S. District Court, eight men and one woman, members of the "Hutaree militia" have been charged with seditious conspiracy, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, and carrying a firearm during a crime of violence.

The official indictment said that the Hutaree militia planned to murder a police officer and set up IEDs at his/her funeral – in the hopes of starting a war with the federal government.

The Hutaree militia website, hutaree.com, says the term Hutaree means "Christian warrior" and characterizes the group as "preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive."

Various militias have stated that the Hutaree Christian militia is not connected with their organizations – the Michigan Militia apparently denied some of the Hutaree members asylum during the FBI raids. The leader of the Hutaree will likely be jailed for his plot – he sent e-mails directing other militia members to create IEDs – but it's unclear what the penalty will be for the other Hutaree members.

Other apocalyptic leaders, like Charles Manson and David Koresh, have tried to incite open war with the government. Their plans failed. Hopefully the remainders of the Hutaree militia will see that they were fooled by a madman.


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scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: It is good they are cracking down on extreme militias. But not all militias are actionable militias some are reactionary militias. Where incase of social upheaval they are their to help communities restore the rule of law and attempt to work with law enforcement to do just that.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
22 months ago: These Hutaree members are fools to think that a few thousand or a few hundred can win any thing by force alone.

Thru out all history only a few brave men were needed, to start the overthrow of a Government.

But they had the support and backing of the nation, and when it was needed, the nation itself helped to get rid of the corrupt government.

But someday the feds will be stopped by the nation, that will tell the feds to get back in their ten square miles and stay there.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
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22 months ago: I lost a bet.

I could have sworn Mark would have posted this first.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
22 months ago: RSG, Chris beat me to it but I'll add some more detail on the charges:

"David Brian Stone, 45, his wife, Tina Stone, 44, and David Stone's two adult sons allegedly conspired with five other members of the fringe Christian militia group called the Hutaree to kill a Michigan law enforcement officer and then ambush the officer's colleagues who would have gathered for the funeral, according to court documents."

http://tinyurl.com/yc4k2kc

Of course I realize that these type of extremists don't actually represent the majority of Christians. But why can't the Christian religious right give the Muslims the same benefit as they tend to lump all Muslims together as terrorists or supporters of terrorism?
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
22 months ago: If these guys are guilty, they deserve their day in court, and then a long jail term. They also deserve a chance to make their case publicly.
22 months ago: You reckon Obama will make Christians be tried in military courts?

Nah.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: I'm certain that most of the people in the Republican party are good folk, even though they scream that Obama is a socialist, that big government is evil, that the liberals are destroying the constitution and taking away our freedoms. And I am sure that most of the Tea Party folk are fine too even though they think the mainstream Republicans are socialist collaborators.

What people don't realize, is that the competition between all of the politicians, FOX, and the hate radio hosts to see who can seem to be the most extremist in the radical right wing, is enabling all of the wing nuts that justify their hatred with all of that crazy talk.

The number of militia groups increased 50% from 2001 to 2008 because the right stirred up anti immigrant hysteria. Since Obama was elected, the number of anti government "Patriot" groups went up from 149 to 512 and the militia groups that are the paramilitary arm of the "Patriot Movement" tripled to 127 in 2009 from 42 a year earlier.
22 months ago: Dang Al.

You're starting to get it.....at least the first paragraph.

Did you get your numbers from the UN?
22 months ago: And those "Republicans" you call "socialist collaborators" are really socialists and liars about being conservatives. Bold face liars.
22 months ago: Good gravy, I can't stand it any more...

It's "bald-faced liars," not "bold face liars." http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_correct...
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
22 months ago: Thanks HNN, I already wondered about the bald-faced liar expression. Learn new things everyday!
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
22 months ago: I thought it was just a regionalism. I see many of the sayings I grew up with that have been transliterated by people from different areas.

I can see using the term "bold faced liar", as in someone who can look straight at you while telling a lie. Such as "The clean cut, handsome, well spoken, intelligent politician turned out to be a bold faced liar.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie
Barefaced lie

A barefaced (or bald-faced) lie is one that is obviously a lie to those hearing it. The phrase comes from 17th-century British usage referring to those without facial hair as being seen as particularly forthright and outwardly honest, and therefore more likely to get away with telling a significant lie. A variation that has been in use almost as long is bold-faced lie, referring to a lie told with a straight and confident face (hence "bold-faced"), usually with the corresponding tone of voice and emphatic body language of one confidently speaking the truth
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
22 months ago: Apologies, anyone?
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: Gotta love know it alls. I have always heard it used as a bold faced liar. Does it really matter though? Try sticking to the topic at hand.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago:
What people don't realize, is that the competition between all of the politicians, FOX, and the hate radio hosts to see who can seem to be the most extremist in the radical right wing, is enabling all of the wing nuts that justify their hatred with all of that crazy talk.

So we should what limit freedom of speech? I don't think that will curve how many miltias will form after you enact your limit on free speech.

Lets put it this way the word militia has been demonized from the get go. It is the thought we are too civilized now to have militia's like they reference in our Constitution. But look at the world around you and you would think we are bunch of cavemen partaking in wars around the world. As long is their are armies then our forefathers vision is justified that militia's are needed more than ever. A well organized militia is just that. it is the answer to balance the power of our republic. not in the action of them attacking the government but if you follow the guidelines of our republic have laid out they are the last resort of defense we have as Americans. If you look at our Constitution we do have the freedom to bear arms. If we are not regulated like our Armed Forces are regulated then all you have is mercenaries.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated militia is not regulated by the Government but by the People. It should be regulated like our Armed Forces are reulated. The militia was never meant to cause terror it was meant to balance power and used as a defense. The people of the United States need to institute legislation not only to balance power, reaffirm the usefulness of the militia but in case our armies are decimated for some ungodly reason , the militia would be the last and final line of defense and it will not cost taxpayers a dime.
22 months ago: While people hazard a guess that the tone of political conversation may contribute to the rise of fringe groups acting in violence...they seem to ignore the very present reality of bloated government going back to the buffet for thirds and fourths.
But no, they say...you don't see any black helicopters yet...pass the egg rolls.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
22 months ago: Do egg rolls come with the pupu platter? I hope, cause for now our politicians are getting dim sum.
22 months ago: "preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive."

If it is going to die out, then it is a failed religion and killing cops and mourners is not going to make it very popular!

As for a later comment about giving Muslims and Christians the same benefit of the doubt........ Let's watch the news and see how many Christians are dancing in the street over the first successful murder by one of these fanatics. Seems the Muslims have had their opportunity to show disdain for members of their faith who step over the moral line and they showed us the sole of their shoe instead (for those not familiar with manners in that part of the world, it's right up there with spitting in your face).

I do not condemn all those who follow the Islamic faith, nor the Christian one, but you do have to prove that you won't slit my throat at the first opportunity.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
22 months ago: Six,

I agree that in the present day, it's fair to say Islamic extremists outnumber extremists of any other religion by a healthy margin but history right into the 20th century shows that Christianity has plenty of blood on it's hands.

If it were possible though to send every religionist in the world that harbors violent redundancies to their respective Heaven, I would imagine that the United States would not be all that far behind countries like Pakistan in terms of unexplained disappearances. We could call it the Christian rapture :)
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
22 months ago: err, change redundancies to tendencies - be nice if we could edit comments.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
22 months ago: Violent tendencies are just part of human nature, Christian, Hindi, Muslem, you name it. Just look at the millions of Americans who made violence, or at least the threat of violence their life's work, with the full sanction of the US government. Many of those people were Christians, as were a fair sprinkling of atheists, I'm sure.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
22 months ago: Never said others don't commit violence - just comparing religions since the article was about Christian extremists. But if we accept your truism of a violent human nature, than it's abundantly obvious that religion is nothing more than a placebo with respect to inhibiting violence, and in fact can and does exasperate the problem.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: While you wait for Chrisitans to be dancing in the streets becuase some terrorist group kills someone the rest of us will deal with the reality. The fact is Chrisitans as a group are not extremists like you so easily try and make them out to be.

So what some group used as the Christian religion as a crutch? I find it funny the strongest Constitutional supporters around here continue to suggest we need to abolish all religions. Sure you have not came out and said it butyou can read between the lines easily.
22 months ago: No where in my writings do I advocate abolishment of any religion. Quite the opposite. That is a big difference between people who believe as I do and those of your ilk, your group doesn't like something so you mass together to rid the world of it, mine speak out against the forced assimilation of the masses by your group but do nothing to hasten your groups dissappearance.

You are reading your own mistaken beliefs between the lines, if I believed the way you think, I would not support your right to believe what you wish and practice your religion as you desire.

I know, it's a totally alien idea to you, you don't believe the way I do so you actively work to ensure that people like me are denied our basic rights by passing laws to restrict them or making it socially embarassing to be known to not adhere to your way of life.

As for Christians dancing in the streets, it's not likely to happen, they have had the joy of celebrating in such a manner associated with sin for so long that they've forgotten how.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: I don't care if the terrorist is Muslim or Christian. They both believe in killing innocent people to further their twisted ideas. Both religions say that killing innocents are wrong and deserving of everlasting punishment.

The right's hatred of our democratically elected commander in chief is similar to the religious radical's action in contravention of their religion's tenants, in that violent overthrow of the government is just as counter to the Constitution as killing is to the bible.

The Constitution insures that change in the government be made through elections. The American people made that change, but the losers have not been willing to accept that change.

The extremist language and the demonization of Obama and the Democrats legitimizes the the latent anti government hatred and the racism that was just lurking beneath the surface in all of the truly violent nut cases out there. The second amendment is just the rational they use to allow them to act on their hatred, just as the religious nut cases hear the voice of God in their head telling them to destroy the unbelievers.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
22 months ago: That has to be the most convoluted bunch of tripe I have read on here to date. The Constitution guarantees, for one, the ability of the people to shake off the yoke of a tyrannical and oppressive government, but whatever means necessary. That was its primary mission.

Just because one side lost one election, don't think for a second that they will be content to sit on the sidelines and watch while the country is trotted along in a direction not of their liking. The whole two party process is a push-me-pull-you affair, and while we duke it out, we can try not to get too carried away with our own ideals over the ideals of others.

You speak of intolerance like it's just a conservative thing, yet you dare to say, "You lost. Now sit down and shut up. It's our turn to drive."

No more freaky on the right than on the left, whose eco-terrorists blow up radio towers, and burn animal research centers in the dead of night. Every side has its nut jobs and extremists. I would consider someone who wants to give up his freedom of expression in order to have a "happy" world as an extremist.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: I am not saying to sit down and to shut up, I am saying to stop obstructing every single thing that is being done. I am saying that the Republicans should do the job they were elected to do and work with the Democrats to solve the many problems of the country, and to stop behaving like bullies that will take their ball and go home unless everyone play by their rules.

I am also saying that the republicans and the vast right wing propaganda machine needs to tone down their radical rhetoric and perhaps stick to facts and issues instead of boxing themselves in with their hate speech so it is impossible to compromise on any issue. They are not governong they are not doing their jobs they are just yelling fire in a crowded theater.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
22 months ago: Can you honestly say that Republican'ts have obstructed every single thing proposed by the Democrats? Can you name more than just Cap and Tax and the Health Care bill, and the Stimulus Omnibus Bill? I can name hundreds of things that have passed with no opposition, that weren't diametrically opposed to Republican philosophy.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: Here is the senate list of the record number of cloture motions (fillibusters).
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/referen...

"This doesn't include a number of other obstructionist procedures, Sen. Richard Shelby (R) of Alabama has taken the perhaps unprecedented step of placing holds on ALL of President Obama's nominees until he gets the money for a couple of big earmarked pork barrel projects he feels entitled to back in his home state."

The use of the "Hold" has also exploded. A hold is "an informal procedure—nowhere mentioned in Senate rules—where an individual senator notifies the body's leaders that he or she will hold up a bill or nomination by denying unanimous consent to allow it to move forward. "

"Tom Coburn is the undisputed hold champion in the Senate, with at least 80 bills and nominations in limbo because of his actions. His closest rival in the field is fellow Republican Jim DeMint."

There has also been a sharply expanded use of the formal rules as a partisan political tactic to delay and block action by the majority.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
22 months ago: "Republicans accused Democrats of McCarthyism; Democrats called Republicans cry babies; Robert H. Michel called O'Neill (Democrat & Speaker of the House) dictatorial; O'Neill called his leading GOP critics the Three Stooges and, after one shouting match, was ruled out of order for violating House decorum. O'Neill acknowledges he may have gone too far on the floor, but dismisses the complaints about his leadership as the belly-aching of a small group of right-wing Republicans. He contends the more- moderate GOP leadership is siding with that fringe group in an acknowledgment that their tactics have succeeded in bringing the agenda of the House minority to public attention. Among examples, critics cite an immigration reform bill. O'Neill decided not to schedule the bill for floor action last year because of opposition from Hispanics."

"VICE PRESIDENT Bush and Labor Secretary Raymond J. Donovan lobbied hard for the administration's economic program here Monday, attacking opponents of the proposal as "obstructionists" and "political hucksters."

Those are quotes from the Reagan era - lack of civility, obstructionism, etc. is just part of the political game. Nothing new under the sun except thanks to Bush and company, the GOP nearly imploded their party into political obscurity and the GOP moderates are now the fringe in the Rebiblican loony bin.

The only political lever they have now is obstructionism and the squeaky wheel is obviously getting the grease. It works for them although but whether or not it helps them in the elections is TBD. RSG will have to work overtime to convert us to right wing evangelicals.
scotmanster
scotmanster
22 months ago: Gotta love when people pretend to be sheep. Al your whole argument smells like what I would hear when I turn a liberal news station on. Oh those big bad republicans Give me a break the liberals and dems do the same obstruction of legislation. Guess what? That is the way it is supposed to work. Anything less is tyranny.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: The big difference is that after Tip Oneal and Reagan would slug it out on the floor they would go and have dinner together. Now the opponents are considered the enemy.

Then we had the fairness doctrine that insured fair and balanced media reporting, now 90% of talk radio is conservative and those conservative shows never give an opposing viewpoint in 92% of the cases.

Never before has half of the people in the country distrusted the media, all scientists, and facts in general so much.

Never before has the opposing party made a political decision to oppose everything, no matter how praiseworthy, in a bid to unseat the President.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
22 months ago: Believe me, Al, it's all pro wrasslin'.

And as for the right's "hate radio". The left tried their own hate radio, and it fizzled out. Now all they have left is hate television. 3 channels? 4? The right has their hate radio, 10 talking heads, and one tv channel. If it lasts another 50 years, your side will be their side, and their side will your side.

Look at the "Just do it" generation. They've all turned into the "just say no" crowd.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
22 months ago: Al, take off those rose colored glasses and considering your desire to 'rewrite' the First Amendment away, I'm not surprised you want the government to 'manage' speech on the airwaves. But don't despair Al; you and yours can read far left blogs, watch liberal TV news, and even listen to liberal radio / podcasts all day long just as the conservatives can and do.

While it might be discouraging for you and the other political troglodytes, the days of the government suppressing free speech in the euphemistic name of fairness or partisan goodness (as only you define it) are dead - not because they don't want to or they don't continue to try, but it's not practical given technology.

When the Internet was unleashed on the world, the government and the media lost their ability to control the information flow - the Internet is the fifth estate much to the chagrin of politicos and media kingpins - no longer can they spin their lies and propaganda without the Internet biting at their heels. Good luck stuffing Pandora back in the box, or it the jar and to quote a bizarre Internet meme describing itself:

...We are anonymous. We are legion. We do not forget. We do not forgive. We are one, divided by zero. Expect us....

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