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French Teacher Suspended For Teaching About Holocaust

Posted 17 months ago|15 comments|751 views
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Rudi Stettner
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France is a nation with a troubled past. When France was occupied by the Germans in 1940, some Frenchmen resisted gallantly. Most people did what they had to to get along, and others collaborated actively with the Germans. Even Francois Mitterand, a renowned French Socialist had a shadowy past as a German collaborator that he excused as a "youthful indiscretion".


Catherine Pederzoli, a French Jewish woman led class trips to death camps and taught about the Holocaust for 15 years, until a new administration in her school subjected her to scrutiny. They accused her of being too emotionally involved, biased and lacking in "secularism". They even criticised her for using the Hebrew term "Shoah" far more frequently than the clinically dispassionate term "genocide".

There is a reasonable explanation for the use of a Hebrew term for the Holocaust. Indyposted notes as follows.

"Investigators cited her use of the term "Shoah", a Hebrew term used for the Holocaust rather than the more clinical term "genocide". It should be noted that having a word that is specific to a particular genocide is not unheard of. The Ukrainian forced famine genocide of 1932-1933 is referred to by the term "Holodomar". The Assyrians refer to the genocide against them by the Turks as the "Sayfo". Each genocide has its unique aspects, and it is to be expected that the targeted nationality will have a unique and impassioned perspective."

In addition to awakening memories of a troubled past, there is the issue of the 12% of the French population that is Arab. Many French Arabs consider any mention of the Holocaust to be a part of the historical narrative that competes with that of Palestinian suffering that is presented in the Arab world.

The events of World War II divide French society at least as much as the American Civil War, which even today reverberates in America's national outlook and self image. How does one "correctly" teach about the Holocaust and place it in the context of European history? Even 65 years after the end of World War II, this remains a very touchy issue in France.

Reprinted with permission from Magdeburgerjoe.com


http://www.indyposted.com/85410/french-t...


http://www.culturemagazine.ca/politics/t...


http://aina.org/sayfo/


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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: Man's inhumanity to man is mankind's shame.

Its story will never be forgotten and should never be restricted or prohibited.

Those that want to block the memory are ashamed and want to hide their country's shame and dishonor.

The growth of a person is only possible, when he confronts himself, and his sins and accepts himself for what he is and what he done.

Hiding from shame is just their way from not dealing with it.

Each Country has hurt another.

Even the US is guilty of massacre as in the Ponce massacre and targeted killings of many Independence minded Puerto Ricans, to this very day.

But when politicians deny the facts, there is no moral growth allowed, in that country.

History is a diary of a nation's sins.

The US Federal Government is dirty,evil, Godless and corrupt and has killed many millions of Latinos, by planting their own dictators to kill all that oppose the Federal Government's agenda.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

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17 months ago: Shoah is probably a better term and reflects a more personal connection to the events that occurred during that time frame. Maybe it should have been used more frequently in this country too.

There is a limit to how often something like this should be shoved in peoples faces. Not being familiar with this person and how often or to how varied a group she does the acts they are complaining about, would be hard for me to say she needs to stop or modify her approach or that the officials need to leave her alone. If it is a different group each year and it is not a constant stream of vindictive comments, probably the latter, caution her but let her continue.

Any way this turns out, the story still needs to be told to each generation so that they will learn that this type of behavior (Shoah, genocide) is not acceptable.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: It is important that we teach the truth so that we can avoid the mistakes of the past.

If the Tyrannical Majority wants to rewrite history, that should be resisted and the truth preserved.

The truth should be preserved by panels of the best historians, scientists, and other academics in each area. It should not be determined by the whims of politics or an uninformed public.

We have the same problem here as they do in France because the Texas School Book Board which determines the texts the majority of kids in the entire United States use, is being rewritten. The 15 member is stacked with 10 evangelicals with a radical right agenda.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/educat...
17 months ago: This nation really needs to get away from using the Texas versions of books. Just way to much controversy being caused by what the fanatics leave out and want put in.
scotmanster
scotmanster
17 months ago: Yes and both of you would not blink at the chance of pointing your radical agendas into textbooks either. Just so happens the shoe is on the other foot. Does it make either side right? No it doesn't.

scotmanster
scotmanster
17 months ago: If you would have read the article six you would know not all textbooks come from Texas. States are using their own made up textbooks more and more.

Let's face it though liberal thinkers and sympathizers have had a hayday with history. Not teaching about how violent the civil rights movement is one way they pushed their agenda through.

Knowing both sides of the politics viewpoints in time allows students to make up their own mind what is important. Well unless if you are all for indoctrinating our children. By not allowing the political aspect of history on both sides of the right and left we are hindering our children to not think for themselves. To be puppets with blinders on.

17 months ago: I fully realize that not all text books that Texas choses are the ones used in other school systems. Must I always quantify what I say or will others learn to give a little leeway once in a while. The point is, they have way to much influence upon the rest of the Nations textbooks. If they had a more balanced board, they might not be getting so much flac.
scotmanster
scotmanster
17 months ago: Then which is more wrong science teaching evolution which is another form of creation that is not 100% proven or schools allowing to teach religion? If you want a truly balanced school system then both should be taught without bias. But that will never happen because our schools are not meant to teach history they are meant to teach what someone thinks our kids should know.

Like I said religion is just as much as part of our history than science is. Just like exposing the violence of the Black panthers in the civil rights movement is as just as important than violence whites had against blacks during that time. Should we not allow both sides of history to be taught?

I would agree that if a computer system could record history without bias then it would be great.

17 months ago: That would be great! Teach a balanced version of history and science. One with a majority of the views that humans have thought up or caused to happen over the entire existence of our race.

You are right. With the Texas board, schools that adhere to their selections will be teaching what "someone" thinks the kids should know, even if it conflicts with what is know to be true, or can be proven. With all those evangelicals on there, they will be trying their best to hide anything that conflicts with their religions teachings.

There were bad things done on both sides of that era, and they should all be taught. Of course there are time restraints, only have so many hours in a day to fill their brains with information.
markbyrn
markbyrn
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17 months ago: I don't know that France's touchiness about the holocaust or their attitude towards Jews in general is due solely to the Arab population in France. If it were, I doubt France would ban Islamic forms of dress such as the niqab and other more serious forms of intolerance towards Muslims. More likely the problem in France goes further back to it's being rooted in Catholicism and the Catholic right still expresses anti-Semitism to the present day.

In fact, to quote an introduction to an online article titled, "The French Radical Right: From Anti-Semitic Zionism to Anti-Semitic Anti-Zionism":

"This article highlights the deep ambiguities of the French radical right's vision of the future of the Jews. While being hostile to the Jews' integration into the French nation—whose Catholic nature they are alleged to corrupt by promoting Anglo-Saxon liberal and cosmopolitan values—the far right at first manifested sympathy for Zionism, the perfect solution for expelling the Jews. At the same time, although it despised Arab immigrants in France...Today it rushes to the aid of the Arab world (from Palestine to Iraq), which is seen as dominated by the State of Israel"

http://tinyurl.com/29whbrc


scotmanster
scotmanster
17 months ago: "The truth should be preserved by panels of the best historians, scientists, and other academics in each area. It should not be determined by the whims of politics or an uninformed public."

I should finish this for you Al you should have added...

The truth should be preserved by panels of the "best" historians, scientists, and other academics in each area. It should not be determined by the whims of politics or an uninformed public. Nor should it be determined by the whims of the liberal thinkers that make up the "best" historians, scientists, and other academics in each area. Because we all know that no one can give us a accurate portrayal of history as long as they have ulterior motives.
17 months ago: Maybe someone needs to write a computer program that takes the facts and creates a story that a panel of knowledgeable people review and determine if it rings true to the facts. Would have to be a panel of people from all types of backgrounds and beliefs, probably several hundred members.
scotmanster
scotmanster
17 months ago: "They accused her of being too emotionally involved, biased and lacking in "secularism". They even criticised her for using the Hebrew term "Shoah" far more frequently than the clinically dispassionate term "genocide"."

Does not surprise me especially when France has never had a backbone in history. They are showing they don't have a backbone now too.

It seems like they are more upset about the way she is portraying the holocaust. If she is teaching about French German sympathizers then it does not come as a surprise them wanting to shut her up. Maybe they are afraid if more people knew that those sympathizers would be tried in the court of law for genocide. Especially seeings how they were so ready to help Hitler.
17 months ago: Is it not a bit inaccurate to imply that this woman was suspended for teaching about the Holocaust? I read that she was actually required to teach about the Holocaust.

As the education minister said, "l'histoire de la Shoah est enseignée à tous les niveaux et à tous les élèves, à l'école, au collège et au lycée. Les déplacements sur les lieux de la Shoah, tels ceux organisés par le lycée Loritz, font partie du projet pédagogique de nombreux établissements sur l'ensemble du territoire et sont soutenus par le ministère de l'Éducation nationale et l'ensemble des acteurs de la communauté éducative". "

Meaning that teaching about the Holocaust and taking students to Holocaust sites is supported by the entire education community.

I don't know anything about the way this teacher was teaching, or the appropriateness of her teaching, or the degree she prefered teaching about the Holocaust to the exclusion of other things.

However, I do acknowledge the possibility of going to excess in any teaching, if it excludes other topics or viewpoints of importance.

I wouldn't want a Palestian teacher making the Nakba a topic of long passionate consideration and activism in school, and glossing over the Holocaust, for example.

And if the maths teacher passionately taught about the number 7 all day, and didn't do justice to the other topics, I would hope the school would have a word with him, too.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: The politicians, the elites, the left and the right want to have their say in the text books.

This not right-- history should be factual and not political or religious.

When we allow them to put their imprint on facts, or lie and hide the facts, we allow them to corrupt and ruin the truth.

But if they really put only facts, then they will expose the crimes against the people. And that is what these politicians and elites fear.

We need to restore our rights and recover the facts.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

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