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FOX Nation vs. RantRave.com

Posted 38 months ago|65 comments|1,248 views
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Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
In what this RantRaver hopes will not be a blow to rantravership, FOXNews unveiled today a new "opinion site" called The Fox Nation (1) as reported in the Washington Post, 30 March 2009 in an article by Howard Kurtz. (2) The site is apparently an, "...attempt to emulate the social aspects of Facebook -- as well as MySpace, which, like Fox, is owned by Rupert Murdoch -- by encouraging readers to post comments and argue with one another." (3) The hook according to the same source is supposed to be the columns by such lofty right-wing neo-conservative radio and tv talk show hosts, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly as well as others such as Karl Rove and Michael Steele.

Perusing the topics of the opening day revealed such things as "Rush Says Hillary Twice the Man Obama" (4), "Obama fires GM CEO" (5), and "Scary Obama nominee wants new world order" (6). When you visit these pages, you will usually find a snippet and then a page load of comments for people to read and digest. Sound familiar?

The biggest difference, of course, between The Fox Nation and Rant Rave is that content on Rant Rave is generated by the users as per their interests and political leanings rather than it serving as a site where the right preaches to its own choir. Nonetheless, one has to wonder how much of the impetus for this Fox Nation site came from the obvious success of RantRave.com and how many other sites will be built to follow suit. Personally, one of my favorite things about RantRave is the user community of people who have gravitated not to be spoon fed by our NRJ masters but to hold lively debates and discussions with people from all walks of life, parts of the country, and political views. It's a true national town hall meeting. The site also serves as both a litmus test and lightning rod for what's on people's minds. The site doesn't cater to one political ideology. Not to mention that there's no revenue sharing involved in the Fox site, certainly no surprise there, right?

While it behooves RantRavers to be aware of the existence of competitive sites, it also then behooves we RantRavers to do an ever better job of ensuring our Rants and Raves are of the highest quality. The site hinges on our contributions and all that we can do to attract commentary and viewership.

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(1) http://www.thefoxnation.com/
(2) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/29/AR2009032902102.html
(3) ibid.
(4) http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2009/03/29/rush-says-hillary-twice-man-obama-0
(5) http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2009/03/29/obama-fires-gm-ceo
(6) http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2009/03/30/global-court
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amishking
amishking
 Moderator
Auburn, NY
38 months ago: Well of course they want to be like us. But, whereas they want to be a political site, I still want to see posts about squirrels and flammable water.
38 months ago: If I wanted anything from Rupert Murdoch I would prove the paternity..lol Seriously if I wanted the "no-spin zone" crud I would actually watch and join the O'Reilly Inside Edition...lol
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
38 months ago: I think it's safe to say, the Fox News site will be a turn-off to a lot of people for the simple fact that it's Fox News. I'd call myself one of the most right-leaning members of rantrave and I can't even handle Fox News.

I also think Coloranter Raver writes better than Sean Hannity.
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: too true Alex!

I can smell a lawsuit coming :)

(!!)
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
38 months ago: Or a buy-out offer!
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: Ohh boy!

Hey, when that comes around (Or we get HUGE) don't forget all your favorite authors, who wouldn't want to rant & rave for a living!
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Well, thank you Alex. That's one of the finest compliments I've ever received – "...writes better than Sean Hannity."

Let's just keep up the quality and there's no way we can lose!
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: I have never seen anything from any Fox news pundit that comes anywhere close to the quality of writing on this site.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: I'm with you PH. Maybe we need to do our own radio show!
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ...I just want to know when is Obama going to prove he is a "natural born citizen"?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Johnny, you are funny. Obama has proved he is a natural born citizen. The state of Hawai'i supplied him with an official copy of his birth certificate which lists his place of birth as Honolulu, HI. Unless the state of Hawai'i is perpetrating fraud, the certificate is all the authentic proof any one of us could use to prove our own citizenship and place of birth. If I wrote to the State of Colorado for my birth certificate for proof of place of birth, this is all I would get too. I wouldn't get the name of the hospital or signature of delivery doctor. The whole idea is that the state verifies these documents at the time of their submission and then enters the data properly into its records. So, unless the state is fraudulently holding alternative records, etc., Obama was born in Hawai'i after it became a state.
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ........ "So, unless the state is fraudulently holding alternative records, etc., Obama was born in Hawai'i after it became a state".

...bingo!...you figured it out!

Well..I was trying to throw a diversion thinking you would get back to your other "Requiring birth certificate" Rant/rave ,..I guess it doesn't matter
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
38 months ago: I love how arguements from other rants find their way into everything.

But, I just want to know what's up with those scientologists and their crazy thetans.
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: Well, check your email, there are still a few fighting it out, but for the most part the crazies have moved towards the "OBAMA CONSPIRACY"
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
38 months ago: And, did you hear Limbaugh say he wants Obama to fail?!? What's with that?!?
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ...that quote was taken out of context..what he meant was he hopes that the bleading heart liberal idealology fails

...but basically everyone is bias towards their viewpoint and beliefs so we all kinda wish without admitting it due to our ego's that any opposing viewpoint to fail in a "sportsman" type fashion,,thats just human nature.

Competitive people are just natural that way..Tiger Woods is known for saying..I don't want to just "beat" my opponent...I want to "kick their butt" while beating them...(hee hee)

...personally I like to simply covertly humiliate.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: Well I hope Limbaugh's bleeding heart agenda of intolerance fails...
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: Coloranter I think we could have some fun doing a radio show!!!
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: Right on Siempre!

And If PH & Coloranter do a radio show i will be calling in everyday requesting the Madonna song of the day (Which i shall pick).

Cheers!
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ..Rush Limbaugh is a winner because some people are just winners..and Rush is of them that always is right and will always win!
38 months ago: Tough crowd. While I agree that FOX should tone down some of the programming. I also have to keep in mind that they are currently the only news that comes close to being conservative. Are they perfect? No. Are they bias? No more than NPR or CNN. Local Broadcasts? Nothing more than network clones. We all know the networks aren't bias. Will you be so blunt in your opinions as to add your favorites shortcomings next time. It might just hold more water then.
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: Either way, its a federal crime to hold the office of the presidency with out being qualified,,when it turns out Obama is proven to have been born in
Kenya he will be behind bars then hopefilly deported!..ha ha ha

,,Now that "OBAMA-GATE" has started,,its going to be good!
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: Johnny, what's "Obamagate?"

I thought Obama was like the big huge guest at the DNC, i don't think he has to break in.

But all kidding aside, what on earth makes you think he will be getting deported now?

Well, sorry folks for opening that mess here, but i would like to hear how the executive branch is going to enforce some "law" against the person who leads them.

Geez, turning into the topic which shall not be named.
38 months ago: I must have missed the Kenya birth news. Wasn't the first accusation Indonesia? I could beleive that easier with the Hawaii birth certificate. I'm thinking Kenya is a bit of a stretch. Although I have not heard what happened to his aunt that was illegally in the U.S. and on welfare.
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: It happened to Nixon,,now its happening to Obama

...its ObamaGate 2009...and it is on!...so Obama will be gone!
38 months ago: Yeah sooner or later. But probably later than sooner.
Do I like that? No. But that is the cold hard truth.
The topic was news. Not dreams.
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: Its all simple..He was born in Kenya,,natualized to a U.S. citizen..then lost his citizenship while going to Indonesia elementary school under his Indonesian "changed name" of Barry Sotero..he already has admitted going to elementary school under the "alias"..which he also never disclosed!...what a sham...he's outa-here!
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: LMFAO!!!!!!

I thought it was actually something serious for a minute, nevermind!

Back to news....
38 months ago: Johnny. I'm not against you. I truely beleive he is the wrong person for the job. I have no problem stating that and the others on this site will allow me to hold that opinion.

You go out and find the paper trail that supports what you have said and EVERY (not just fox) news station will pay you way too much money. Just produce the proof.
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: More lawsuits..the men in our military are now revolting against a fraudulent commander in chief....OBAMAGATE....he's history!
38 months ago: Sorry but I need to draw the line on that one.
I work with the VFW. While most of them also have a low regard for the current Presidents policies. They have a higher regard for our country. They will state their opinion but if the lead starts to fly...they will also be the first to stand in front of him...It's a love of Country thing.
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: if you love your country,,you understand and respect the constitution
Don't accuse our men and woman of the armed forces of not loving their country for simply requiring the commander in chief to be constitutionally qualified, you sir are a disgrace!
38 months ago: Present the proof...
If I'm a disgrace in your eyes so beit.
That is not my problem. It's yours.
I just told you how it is, was and will be.

You sir are and Ostrich.

OUT!
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: This is both our problems if you think about it! and if more people would say they want the truth like me...maybe guys like you might do something!

.....sounds like your the one with his head in the sand or his head up somewhere else!
38 months ago: Maybe guys like me would do something?
Like your poster child TIM McVAY?
Don't think so on my own Countries soil.

Sorry Ya'll. This was a test from someone that actually voted for Nixon while under the 'NAM draft to try to help
a youngster. What are our conservatives becoming? I'm not sure...HOWEVER...could this be a ploy from the otherside?

I'm really interested in his service record and age...
With proof...
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ...congratulations..your starting to grow csome balls!
38 months ago: This is too funny... I just keep rolling on the floor.
Send this thread to CNN. It will make the 6.

RR needs to pull this so little johnny and I can duke it out. I'm game. Old Man and all. This kid needs a good kick in the butt (maybe a pipe to the head).
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: Johnny, you are totally absurd. Obama is a United States Natural Born Citizen. I realize that you do not care to here the truth and will most likely have some short cute response to this like always but you seriously need to deal with the fact that Obama is a citizen and also that he is the President, get over it or show some proof. Keep in mind that in this country under the constitution that you claim to love, people are innocent until proven guilty.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: @ Cypress Gang: Fox news has a clear and severe bias toward conservatives, much like MSNBC has a clear and severe bias towards liberals. CNN is less biased and more centrist. Since news is run by people it is impossible to not have a bias. My problem with Foxnews is that some of their pundits preach an agenda of intolerance and that is wrong. Also Fox news is proven to be incredibly inaccurate with most of their reporting which is another problem I have with Fox. I tend to try and read stories from all major news outlets and then do my own research on the issue to form my own opinion. When I do watch/read major network news though I do find BBC and Al Jazeera to be more accurate and less biased (in terms of biases for American political parties) than others.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: @ Cypress Gang: Fox news has a clear and severe bias toward conservatives, much like MSNBC has a clear and severe bias towards liberals. CNN is less biased and more centrist. Since news is run by people it is impossible to not have a bias. My problem with Foxnews is that some of their pundits preach an agenda of intolerance and that is wrong. Also Fox news is proven to be incredibly inaccurate with most of their reporting which is another problem I have with Fox. I tend to try and read stories from all major news outlets and then do my own research on the issue to form my own opinion. When I do watch/read major network news though I do find BBC and Al Jazeera to be more accurate and less biased (in terms of biases for American political parties) than others.
38 months ago: Yeah. Sorry. I forgot. The first "War in Iraq" made CNN.
Was that un-bias coverage (sponsored by who - IRAQ)?

Msnbc...like I said - network clones...

I'm glad you get your decision making information from

BBC and Al Jazeera
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: I'm an old F+cker too..So You might be lookin down the barrel of my two best friends "smith & wesson",,I'd hate to have to bury you with that pipe!
38 months ago: Please! Please! RR - Don't delete the last post.
I am not worried and have no fear. Johnny, you need to chill and take a dip in your Pacific. Otherwise move to the midwest and work some dirt in the fields. I'm glad you know Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson. Old joke here. That is funny.
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ...looks like your the one that might get "chilled out"

...at any rate ..heres the latest..

This Judge who clearly is letting his skewed perception of public sentiment guide his judicial rulings. It would clearly have been judicially expedient, saving the taxpayers time and money, given the number of eligibility lawsuits filed across the country, simply to direct President Obama to produce an actual birth (or "vault") certificate and not a COLB (Certification of Live Birth and one that lacks a doctor's signature or hospital name) that has been given to others not born on the island of Hawaii.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: When did I say I made decisions based on the news I watch and listen to?

I said if I choose to watch news it is usually Al Jazeera (english) and BBC (America), which happen to be 2 of the 3 largest international 24 hour news networks in the world...I then tend to do more research before I make any sort of decision.

And on a different note, do you (Cypress) or Johnny have any proof or links to the large number of eligibility cases that you speak of?
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ...get lost...you wouldn't believe it anyway,,you've decided not to just want the simple truth..so you wouldn't be pro-active anyway.. now go back and hide and keep your mouth shut like a good little commy would ya?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: sooooooo...you have no proof right? I think that is the general point you are making here, you just say whatever you want and do not worry about proving anything?
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
38 months ago: ROFL...I just tried to post a comment on FoxNation about O'Reilly on Letterman and I filled out the whole form and wrote a pretty lengthy response and after I hit submit it said "Rejected by Moderation Staff"...Apparently you are only allowed to post on that site if you worship, and I mean that literally, Bill O'Reilly. LMAO
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ...No,,thats not it..they just want people who have a diverse opinion thats of interest to people,, not some overly lazy "robot logic" like you have ...ha ha ha
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Cypress wrote: "I also have to keep in mind that they are currently the only news that comes close to being conservative."

It is my conservatively liberal independent opinion that NEWS and in FOXNews should be unbiased. It should contain factually accurate information and answer the five Ws and the H as in Who, What, Why, Where, When and How. Opinion should be put in a box called a commentary or an editorial. In no way should an entire NEWS network be run like and editorial. FOXNews should be called FOXCommentary, it's not news. This is a principle of journalism that's been highjacked by the neo-conservative radio/tv commentators who confuse the public and sometimes themselves in that what they do in offer commentary not news. The idea of a conservative or a liberal news network is contradictory to the concept of delivering the news.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Perfect Horizon wrote: "I tend to try and read stories from all major news outlets and then do my own research on the issue to form my own opinion. When I do watch/read major network news though I do find BBC and Al Jazeera to be more accurate and less biased (in terms of biases for American political parties) than others."

Wow, thank you! I've been preaching this notion for years. Americans owe to the planet to listen to world-wide news and realize that we, here in supposedly the nation that gave birth to "Freedom of the Press" receive the most biased news on the planet short of that issued directly by Tass or it's Chinese equivalent. Moreover, more Americans need to get out and see the rest of the world. I've never been more disillusioned about my public school education than upon my first visit to China 10 years ago. It was nothing close to what I had been led to believe by our media and my education. I was dumbfounded. I had a similar experience on my first visits to Sweden, Costa Rica, and Belize. Get out and see the world and realize that as great as our nation is, and it is, there are many other great countries accomplishing amazing things. The difference is that we have far more to learn. They already know all about us, and we know literally nothing in comparison about them. They all speak our language and know our history, we are lucky to be able to recall the name of their capital city. I'd venture than 99% of Americans cannot name the Prime Minister of Canada and the President of Mexico, and they're our two closest neighbors. If we are all friends, maybe it's fine for us to be ignorant, but if you're at all worried that we might not be, imagine our disadvantage in not knowing anything about the rest of the world and believing only what we see and hear from the mouth of Spain-boycotting Bill O'Reilly, NYC-boycotting Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of their sorry lot.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Johnny wrote "President Obama to produce an actual birth (or "vault") certificate and not a COLB (Certification of Live Birth and one that lacks a doctor's signature or hospital name) that has been given to others not born on the island of Hawaii."

Johnny, you know I hate commenting on this topic; but, I hate to reiterate that you are being misled. I've read the helpful sources you finally provided from stem to stern. All of this makes for a fascinating conspiracy theory. But, here's the thing, you keep saying that Hawai'i will give out a COLB to anyone, you even provided the information regarding the exact statute, which I read. But, the part that either you or your source is conveniently forgetting is that the law permits the issue of an Hawai'ian COLB, but the issued document will list the place of birth as a factual matter of documents provided. For example, if you are a naturalized citizen of the USA, such as say a person born in Tokyo, Japan. (cont)
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: When you immigrate, legally of course, and go through the process of becoming a citizen, as you run your successful business, you can request a COLB from Hawai'i which you need for all sorts of reasons. And on the COLB it will state that you were born in Tokyo, Japan. It will NOT say you were born in Honolulu, Hawai'i. Because, guess what, it's illegal to change the place of a person's birth on US documents – probably in all nations for that matter. So, if Barack Obama, as you suggest, had been born in Indonesia or Kenya or wherever, the COLB would list that under place of birth, NOT Honolulu, Hawai'i.

Following your logic on this issue from previous rants, I decided to call the Vital Records Bureau for my homestate and request an official copy of my birth certificate. You should do this too in your state. The state of Colorado was only to happy to provide me with one for a nice little fee. When it arrived, it had no hospital listed and no doctor's signature. I called and asked about it. I said, "No I need the one that has my doctor's signature and hospital listed on it because, apparently, that's how I prove it's a real birth certificate?" The lady thought I was a nut job, she said, "NO, Sir, you cannot get that now. Everything is on the computer, and you got what we can give you. It's all anyone could ever need to know."

So, there you go. Try it and see if you can get a copy from your state that lists the info you seem to think Obama's should list. Maybe in your state you can get that, I couldn't. (cont)
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: But, the bigger issue is that you seem to think that somehow, the State of Hawai'i has changed where Obama was born. How could that do that? If they knew he was born out of the country and changed his documents, they would go to prison for a very long time. You also will not answer the question for how his birth announcement appeared in the Honolulu newspapers from the state's records just days after his birth? Did aliens give him technology to go back in time and plant the false into in the newspaper?
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ..if you knew the truth you'd be correct,,unfortunately a big part of the equation you don't understand is states can issue a colb to babies born outside the country to U.S. citizens,,they have privisions in they're laws that alow this,,so you might want to educated yourself a little more because its more obvious as you write you are clueless what this about.
johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ,,,yes..this is what its all about,,his "orig vault" copy will say by the doctor where he was born...a copy of a hawaii colb cannot say anything other than hawaii on it..the rest is technichally "private" information.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Hey Johnny, please re-read. States may be able to issue COLB to babies born outside the USA, but they cannot change the location of birth. If Obama had been born in Kenya, it would say that on his COLB. It doesn't. It says Honolulu, HI. How do you explain that? Seriously. I want to know. Do you think that someone bribed someone to change the info in Obama's records? If so, how will getting a "vault copy" prove anything. If you can bribe a change for you COLB, why wouldn't you be able to bribe for a fake "vault copy"?

More bad news for you and your case, conservative FrontPage magazine columnist Andrew Walden wrote, "Barack Obama was born in Hawai'i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu." So, there's the hospital you've been requesting. I wonder if your sidekick Xinunus will give me $2500 for that info? If you go and read Mr. Walden's column, you will see why he thinks you and hundreds like you have been duped into this false conspiracy. He suggests is was all part of an elaborate plan, almost as silly as what you think, to keep people from asking really tough questions of Obama. They were too distracted by this phony baloney, they forget to ask him stuff like, "What will you do if the Auto Industry collapses?"

I'd recommend you switch from the World News Net to FrontPage Magazine. They seem a little more logical in their analysis of conservative rhetoric.

Here's the link:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=68E5BBDC-1697-4DAC-88E6-3375428AD0D7
38 months ago: Ranter, don't confuse the NEWS on fox news with fox news channel. The news does look at the W's. Your confusing the entire programming schedule with the news. Do you beleive that they actually report news 24/7.

There is a difference between shows and news.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Cypress, that's a little insulting. I'm well aware of the difference between news and shows on news channels such as Sean Hannity's show, for example which airs on the Fox News Channel. I have watched their "news". Their regular news segments are the most biased I've ever seen. I know it's popular on the Right to label any media story that air views in contrast to those in the prevailing fold of the right as being biased liberal media. But this is actually hogwash.

You want ABC, NBC, CBS, or CNN nightly news and you get the news. People who are trained journalists learn how to write the news and learn how to keep as much of their opinion out of the presentation.

It is my opinion that, after watching the news on Fox, that it is not unbiased journalism. Worse, it is so biased as to be biased at the top level for as much as stories themselves can be biased, it is even more biased to choose only to cover stories that fit your agenda. How ironic, I always thought that the patriotic conservatives of the United States would be loyal to a network owned and run by an Australian media mogul who wants nothing but to make zillions of dollars and probably couldn't care less about ethics in journalism.

So, Cypress, I don't believe that Fox News reports the news at all.

There is a difference between shows and news and right-wing spin.
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: Coloranter, i disagree!

Although you are correct that hannity and o'reilly are way way way too biased, i feel that their news segments during the day have just as much bias an CNN. For example, during the campaign Obama/McCain ratio on CNN was about 70%/30%, and on Fox it was tilted the other way. Unfortunately the only truely reliable news is the independent press, and even they have an agenda. As for who owns Fox, just look up who owns CNN, ABC, NBC, etc, All are owned by huge corporations that have contributed to the Obama campaign.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Tom, I'm going to watch the Fox Nightly national news for the next week. If I agree, I'll say you're right. If I don't, then you'll be hearing about it as well.

Here's some interesting fuel to this little fire...

GENERAL ELECTRIC owns NBC
(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)

WESTINGHOUSE owns CBS
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
So, guess I was wrong on that one, I had no idea that a UK company indirectly owns CBS.

DISNEY / ABC / CAP owns ABC
donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign

TIME-WARNER TBS owns CNN
donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign

NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) owns Fox Network and we all know that News Corp is an Australian company.
donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000

Looks like most of the "liberal media" networks parent companies were on board with Bush in 2000.



johnny
johnny
Sacramento, CA
38 months ago: ...The first National Obama birth certificate conference was a success!

Andy Martin, the lawyer and author who is trying to get Hawaii to release Mr. Obama’s birth certificate, led the two-day conference. A long-time critic of Mr. Obama, Mr. Martin is credited with being the first person to raise questions about his religious upbringing and question if he was a Muslim.
“There’s never been a meeting where people got together and talked about this controversy, kicked it around,” said Mr. Martin. “We might even stimulate some people to go to Hawaii and take up their own cases.”
Mr. Martin, who has written a book about Mr. Obama, argues the president’s birth certificate and school records should be released for historical purposes.
Hawaii has laws that prevent unauthorized persons from accessing the birth certificate, with an exception for those who have a tangible interest in its contents, an interest Mr. Martin claims he has as a writer, writing about the man who is arguably one of the most public figures in the world.
Mr. Martin said his case has a much better chance to succeed because the definition of standing that has kept other cases from proceeding is much more liberal in a state court than a federal court.

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