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FINALLY.A Sensible Explanation To Miranda Rights Arguments

Posted 21 months ago|12 comments|1,121 views
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thePoliticop
Long Beach, CA
The arrest of Faisal Shahzad by the New York Police Department, for attempting to set off a bomb in Times Square last Saturday, came with a hidden.... yet VERY important... silver lining. A silver lining that was "unplanned" and desperately needed.

In all honesty, there were several silver linings in this incident:

The successful apprehension of a terrorism suspect in just over two days.
The cooperative and unified efforts of several law enforcement entities.
The successful interrogation of this terror suspect, which lead to identifying those parties that were responsible for this heinous action.
The amendment of our national no-fly list and the manner in which airlines shall adhere to it.

With all due respect to these subsequent "atta-boys" they pale in comparison to what we consider the greatest accomplishment derived from this arrest.

Before we delve into this great accomplishment, here is the backstory...

On December 22, 2001, Richard Colvin Reed was apprehended by civilian law enforcement after attempting to set off a shoe bomb while flying on American Airlines flight 63. Upon apprehension, Reed was read his Miranda Rights and a full investigation was under way. No real controversy about the apprehension, arrest or investigation. End result, on October 4, 2002, Reed pled guilty to all eight counts. On January 31, 2003, he was sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole, with three life sentences to be served consecutively. In addition, Reed was directed to pay $2,000,000 in fines.

On December 25, 2009, Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab was apprehended by civilian law enforcement after attempting to set off an underwear bomb while flying on Northwest Airlines flight 253. Upon apprehension, Mutallab was read his Miranda Rights and a full investigation was under way.

This arrest and investigation set of an explosive level of protest and debate about the "reading of Miranda Rights" to a terrorist. Arguments on the right and left accused the United States Government of giving Constitutional protection to a foreigner, and a terrorist. This debate became so severe that some were crying that it is "dangerous" and "weak on national security" to read a terrorist his Miranda Rights thereby giving him the same protection that you would give an American citizen. The debates went into overdrive and in some cases became very heated and dangerously close to crossing a few lines.

Those in support of "reading the Miranda Rights" spent a lot of time arguing the wrong side of the issue. Instead of seeking a factual point, many in support simply argued that "you did it for Reed and didn't complain, so why are you complaining about reading Mutallab his rights?"
This is the high school classic, "I know you are, but what am I" routine. But it had no merit, rhyme or reason.

On May 1, 2010 Faisal Shahzad attempted to set of a car bomb in the middle of New York City's Times Square. On May 3, 2010 Shazhad was apprehended by civilian law enforcement while attempting to flee the country. Shahzad was immediately read his Miranda Rights and the investigation was under way....and the arguments started again.

But this is where the silver lining became apparent in this situation. A silver lining that should not only squash the senseless debates in this case but also retroactively address the senseless debates in the Mutallab case and other similar debates.

That silver lining was the REALIZATION that a police officer reading a suspect his Miranda Rights does NOT majestically grant a person Constitutional protection. Contrary to popular belief, police officers do not have that authority.

Fact: Once a civilian law enforcement official detains or arrest a person for a criminal concern, the arrest or detention comes with the right to remain quiet, the right to seek legal council and the right to speak with council before answering questions, and with that right, anything the person being detained or arrested says, can and will be used against them in a court of law.

The fact that this Admonition of Rights is read to the person being detained, is merely notification. And the act of reading this admonition to the person being detained or arrested is a actually a protective act for the police officer.

So, in turn, anyone who argues against reading Miranda Rights to these losers who were arrested for trying to harm American citizens is actually arguing against protecting our law enforcement officers.....think about it.

After listening to certain talk radio personalities over the last day or two (props to Stephanie Miller Show) I am hearing more and more people finally coming to this realization....after the Shahzad arrest....and as a cop...that makes me all warm and fuzzy on the inside :-)

So this argument is officially over.......isn't it?

Nothing More, Nothing Less.
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Out Of The Box
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21 months ago: So what you are saying is, the right to remain silent and the right to legal counsel are the only rights granted by the Miranda statement. If he chooses to waive this right while his fingernails are being peeled back, that's his choice.
thePoliticop
thePoliticop
Long Beach, CA
21 months ago: No, that's torture OotB
And do we REALLY wanna go down that road?
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21 months ago: I was just asking for clarification. Some states have adopted Geneva Convention protocol for Miranda warnings. Some have not. There was a book about chicken excrement...
thePoliticop
thePoliticop
Long Beach, CA
21 months ago: Clever move OotB....clever move :-)
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21 months ago: In states bordering Mexico, including Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California, suspects who are not United States citizens are given an additional warning:

"If you are not a United States citizen, you may contact your country's consulate prior to any questioning. "

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
21 months ago: Very good Post. The argument would indeed be over if the opposition relied on logic or rational arguments. The fact is that ANYTHING the Obama Administration does is considered defacto wrong by Fox and Hate radio.

If you look at the history of terror subjects all of those tried in civilian courts were put away, while the military has a miserable record and most have walked. The problem with trying to hold a trial or tribunal for someone who has not been given legal rights and who has been tortured is that any evidence is tainted and thrown out, so they have to let the terrorist loose.

The reason the right hates giving any suspects any rights is that they have been watching "24" too much and they think that torture works to get information. Cheney and Bush ignored the Geneva Convention and took our country down that road, but even after waterboarding that one guy 85 times they got little good information. Meanwhile the terrorists tried in civilian courts all spilled their guts.

The right is quick to scream and holler about THEIR rights and freedom being taken away, but they don't realize that unless EVERYONES rights are protected, then no one is truly free.
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
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21 months ago:
Altruist said

"EVERYONES rights are protected, then no one is truly free."

This a very true statement. But we must make everyone's rights lawful and equal under the constitution.

The politicians are picking what rights we can or can not have. Are picking and giving more rights to some and less to others.

The Constitution can not or should not be used by politicians, to serve only their own agenda.

And the politicians are picking what parts of the constitution they want to destroy.

If we let them, we the American people, will be the enemies in our own land.

THE ENEMY WITHIN IS WORST THAN THE ONE WITHOUT

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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
21 months ago: You are correct Ron that the politicians are picking which rights we the people are allowed to have. Senator Joe Lieberman's attempt to strip citizenship and all legal rights from anyone even accused of being a terrorist is very dangerous.

The purpose of this proposal is so the government can torture suspects with impunity.

It reminds me of what happened during the Spanish Inquisition. What started out as a simple attempt to get rid of Jews and yet keep them from leaving with their money ended up being an opportunity to rat out your enemies so they could get tortured to death and you could take over their business.

The purpose of the Constitution is to protect the rights of the minority from the oppression of the majority. The Right has failed to grasp that.
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21 months ago: What the left can't seem to figure out is which side of that statement they are on. If they are in the majority, they say "the majority has spoken, deal with it." If they are in the minority, they say the Constitution protects them from majority rule. Pick a stance and stick with it.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
21 months ago: Are you suggesting that I and the liberals haven't consistently stuck up for the rights of the minorities?

If you are talking about the liberals being in favor of democratic principles and elections as opposed to radical right wing activist judges determining elections or allowing corporations to spend unlimited amounts of money to thwart the democratic process, than yes we favor the rule of the majority.

I don't see those aspects as contradictory.
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21 months ago: I'm sorry, but that paragraph made no sense to me. Corporations would make up a distinct minority in the overall picture. I think you favor the rule of the majority as long as you are in the majority. If you are in the minority, you consider the rule of the majority as oppression. Your statement:

"The purpose of the Constitution is to protect the rights of the minority from the oppression of the majority."

Your definitions are based upon your agenda. Take for example the rich. In your Utopian world, you would take a majority rule and vote away the rights of 1% (a very small minority) of the population, so you could have their money to do with as you wished.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
21 months ago: The "right of the people" are is the constitution was made.

We, the people are the country. The government is not the country. It is our servant.

But when you let your servant lay in bed with politicians, who sold their soul. Then we are weakened by treason.

This is not about any other issue-- only about our rights.

It is only between and/or about the fight between those that want to destroy, and those that want to defend our constitutional rights.

It is between traitors and Freemen.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

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