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Eric Holder: Stopping Prison Rape Is Too Expensive

Posted 17 months ago|15 comments|1,084 views
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Rudi Stettner
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Back in 2003, the Prison Rape Elimination Act was signed into law by President George W. Bush. In 2010, the law remains largely unenforced. According to Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United States the law must not "impose substantial additional costs compared to the costs presently expended by federal, state and local prison authorities." In simple language, preventing prisoners from being raped in prison is just too expensive.

As underreported a crime as prison rape is, it is still a serious problem. The Associated Press reports as follows.

"The government reported Thursday that 4.4 percent of inmates in prison and 3.1 percent of inmates in jail report being victimized sexually by another inmate or staff member.

Those percentages translate to the sexual victimization of 88,500 inmates behind bars nationwide in the previous 12 months, according to a study by the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics in 2008–2009."

It is hard to fathom the dismissive calculations of Eric Holder and many who silently agree with him that keeping prisoners safe from rape is "too expensive", that simple measures such as separating violent and predatory inmates from vulnerable individuals is not feasible.

There are undoubtedly hidden costs to turning a blind eye to sexual assaults in prison. Most victims of sexual assault in prison will return to society. What will the costs be in mental and physical heath? How many will return to prison because of psychological problems that stem from having been brutalised in prison?

The blame for the neglect of our nation's prisoners goes across the political spectrum. From liberals who can not see prisoners as being capable of oppressing others to conservatives who cavalierly dismiss the abuse meted out to prisoners,

It is important to bear in mind that people are sent to prison as punishment rather than for punishment. The dull austerity, the curtailment of personal freedom and the separation from loved ones are all aspects of the prison experience that is meant to be a deterrent. Rape is not part of the sentence.

For Eric Holder to publicly declare that preventing rape in prison is "too expensive" is disgraceful and unacceptable. It is a human rights violation that should be condemned by international human rights groups. There is a price for rape prevention, and an even greater price for ignoring it. Which bill will America pay?


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One of the videos tells the story about a 17 year old boy who ended up in prison for misdemenor arson. After repeated rapes and repeated denials of protective custody, he committed suicide. His is one of many faces on this terrible problem.

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markbyrn
markbyrn
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17 months ago: Rudi, you seem to imply that the Attorney General is making his own law or mis-interpreting the law. In fact, to quote verbatim from the act that Bush signed into law,

"The Attorney General shall not establish a national standard under this section that would impose substantial additional costs compared to the costs presently
expended by Federal, State, and local prison authorities. The Attorney General may, however, provide a list of improvements for consideration by correctional facilities."

So as he quoted the law that was passed in 2003, I'll go out a limb and surmise that Bush signed a purely cosmetic act under the banner of "compassionate conservatism."

To be fair though, I would hope the Attorney General has made some low cost or free suggestions that the correctional facilities can ignore, err consider. Perhaps he did but the article selectively quoted him.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: The entire prison system is counterproductive and does not deter crime, but rather forces people convicted of minor crimes to join gangs for protection, which leads to more crime when they get out.

The system seems like cruel and unusual punishment at least for the tens of thousands of rape and violence victims.

The right demands more prison time and harsher sentences, three strikes laws etc. but they refuse to pay for it so prisons are forced to let criminals out early which endangers the public.

We should get rid of the entire system and move to restorative justice instead. Only 10% of those using Restoritive Justice end up committing another crime, compared to about 70% of those who go through the traditional criminal-justice system.

This approach can save money, too. "Every $1 spent on restorative justice may save $8 in the criminal-justice system,"
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17 months ago: Deplorable that any inmate is ever raped in our prisons. Did we not send them there to have their lives completely controlled? Why do they have enough freedom and privacy to carry out such attacks? Does no one watch over them 24/7? I guess the aggressor is already homosexual (even though they won't admit it). As for guard on inmate, I see another inmate looking for a way in with double the time. Anyone who uses their position to abuse those under their care should expect a stiffer punishment.

Considering the billions spent on inmate upkeep, every square inch of the facilities should be under 24 hour surveillance. As for added cost to monitor the video stream, watchdog groups could be asked to volunteer or computer programs can be used to watch for certain actions. Additionally the inmates must be able to trust the prison administration to respond to their fears of being raped and most importantly, if they are raped, that the person(s) who did it, are punished AND removed from circulation.

Basically, we citizens need to impress upon our legislatures that the lackadaisical manner that our prisons are run has to stop. Those charged with watching over our wayward kin must be held accountable because their failure to do their job is causing more harm than what the inmate may have ever done.
17 months ago: Surely, you must be joking. Rape has nothing to do with sexual orientation. This thinking perpetuates the problem and enables the prison system to ignore fixes. When people can wrap their minds around the fact that straight men rape other men and force them to copulate them because they are asserting their control, then maybe people will understand how tremendously violent and violated people are behind bars. It is not about orientation, but I can imagine that it feels safer to think that.

It's unfortunate they call it "homosexual rape" when what they actually mean is male on male rape. One man forcing another.

http://www.insideprison.com/prison-rape....

You are thinking about this all wrong, I'm afraid. Why, and how, should the prisoner TRUST the prison? They cannot. The men or women who speak up about being raped/violated in prison risk being killed. Many prisons are under surveillance but it's impossible to do every foot. Prison is a violent joke. If the country wanted to lower the recidivism rate then they would take prevention/intervention strategies seriously.

The aggressor, as in ANY rape (or at least most), is committing the act out of control. Sexual violence against women is about control. There are sexually motivated murders, but that is different.
17 months ago: If rape has nothing to do with sexual orientation then if won't be much of a stigma to accuse the rapist of being a homosexual when he does it to another man. Of course using your criteria, it will now have to be called control rape because it's only to control another man, not degrade him or punish him. As far as I'm concerned, if a man rapes another man, he is a homosexual, I don't care what his justification is and it doesn't matter which hole he sticks it in either. Maybe if I was Roman it wouldn't make a difference, but I don't share that ancient view of sex.

And yes I understand that it is a tool used by the ones in power to instill fear in weaker inmates or to punish one that has encroached upon the "gang leaders" power base.

If the inmates cannot trust the prison officials, who are they going to turn to? Why do you think there is so much gang trouble inside the prison walls? Because people express the opinion that the people tasked with the job of protecting the inmates and responding to their pleas for help, are not capable or even responsible to do the job we pay them to do, this attitude justifies their inaction and they fail to act because of it.

Instead, we should be demanding that the people paid to watch over the prisons are actually doing their jobs and when a group inside the prison is found to be exerting undue power, to put a stop to it. If that means locking them all in their cells and cutting off all their communication with the outside and the other prisoners, so be it. And if a prisoner does come forward and ask for help, he/she should get just as much assistance as a convicted murderer trying to avoid the death sentence. Better we spend those millions protecting an embezzler from gang rape than some psycho who killed a few dozen young girls or boys and thinks he can just say he's sorry and go home.

As for it being "impossible" to monitor every foot inside and outside the prison walls, wrong answer. It is not impossible, difficult yes, but it can be done. Same as each inmate can be confined to his own cell if needed although not all inmates need to be confined in such a way, many are decent human beings who screwed up and got sentenced to time in a bad place.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: A long time ago I gave the public these links, that exposes the fact, that the US Federal Government is using Non-Federal American citizens as profit slaves.

The Federal Government has 25% of the world's prisoners.

We have more prisoners than CHINA!!!!

What does that tell you?

And 80% of them are BLACK!!!

What does that tell you?

We have to change the prison system from a corporate for profit business, to that of a real government who does not commit treason to make profit from its slaves.

http://freedom-school.com/law/prison_tre...

http://freedom-school.com/keating/how-a-...

http://freedom-school.com/admiralty/how-...

It is not republicans or liberals, it is corruption on both sides that we face.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: Six - the reason prisoners get raped is because almost all of the prisons in the country are overcrowded and at twice their capacity. It isn't as if they have a nice safe cell to hide in.

"You keep putting rats in a box, and pretty soon those rats go off and kill each other," said Lt. Charles Hughes, chapter president of the guards union at the California state prison in Lancaster.

"In a gymnasium now called "G Dorm," the basketball hoops are folded back to make room for row upon row of triple-deck bunk beds. The noise - from televisions, radios, yelling and laughter - is constant, and the smell is about what you'd expect from 225 men living cheek by jowl who must use overworked toilets and wait in line for the few showers."
http://realcostofprisons.org/blog/archiv...

In Florida they are housing prisoners in tents. Lots of protection there.
17 months ago: Al, that's a bit to simplistic to me. A guy is going to rape another guy because he doesn't have enough personal space in a prison? Might beat the crap out of him, but homosexual rape is a different set of causes.

As you quoted in your next para, "go off and kill each other" not rape each other.

Gee, sounds a bit like a military barracks or life on board a Navy ship, crowded, smelly, noisy, except the prisioners have better accomodations.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: Rape is a desire to hurt another. It is not based upon space, love or kindness or hornyness.

It is a brutality issue in the sick mind that initiates it.

The raping of a woman and man has the same roots. A sick mind.

Extremely sick people should be separated from others.

Just like extremely communistic liberals should be housed only with violent criminals, so that the criminal can be taught political correctness, by the commie.

A match made in heaven.

The mental and social behavior of: A communist, socialist, liberal, progressive, marxist, Leninist, etc., or any combination of the these, is only understood, by knowing what they have in common mentally and emotionally and in what they want and believe in:

They are a danger to us by their most common beliefs:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Real Constitutional History, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government, Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals, Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Excessive Taxation, Pro-Excessive Federal Regulations, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors, Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption, and Pro-Immorality, Pro-Perversion, Pro-Bestiality, Etc., And Etc..

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

By knowing how their sick minds work. Can you trust them? Do they ever tell the truth?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: If we had enough money we could build prisons where everyone got their own cells and were monitored so they wouldn't have to worry about being killed or raped, where they wouldn't be forced to join violent gangs, which force them to do violent and illegal acts even after they get out.

A humane prison system would concentrate on restitution and rehabilitation instead of just retribution. A humane system would fix damaged people so they could return to society and be useful members of society instead of forcing them into a lifetime of crime.

But all of that costs money. Screw Em!
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
17 months ago: Here's my King for a day solution.

There would be only two types of prisons. One for violent offenders and separate work centers / farms for incorrigible non-violent offenders.

The conventional prisons we have today would be only for violent offenders and the goal would be safety of the public, rehabilitation from violence, and restitution to the victims. Those who commit violence in prison would have years automatically added to their sentence. Incorrigible violent offenders would essentially confined for life.

All non-violent offenders (probably the vast majority of our prison population) would undergo non-confining restitution and rehabilitation programs and the primary goal of the program would be honest labor and restitution to the victims. They would only face confinement if they continued to offend but in no case though would a non-violent offender be put in prisons with violent offenders unless they became violent.

The problem I have with the typical liberal or conservative take on justice is the lack of focus to providing restitution to the victim and using incarceration as punishment as opposed to the safety of the public. If incarceration was only used as I noted, they would get their own cell.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
17 months ago: Makes a lot of sense Mark.

The existing system is underfunded and counterproductive so perhaps something can change. The California Court system is telling the prison authorities in California that the existing system is unconstitutional because it is cruel and unusual punishment, and will force them do reduce the crowding.

Your solution might work.
scotmanster
scotmanster
17 months ago: Our prison system is a failed system alot of countries are making it were prison is actually not a cruel punishment but a punishment none the less. They have been looking into new systems by upgrading the accommodations they have in jail.

We have looked to our prison for the last resort to all our problems. Plenty of jobs could be created if we had mental health wards aimed at helping troubled kids. A little bit of restraint on the arresting officers part would go a long way too.

So what the kid lit garbage in a metal dumpster on fire? Why are we sending kids to jail for small crimes like these? He should have been sent to some type of therapy and paid for a new dumpster. But now we spend thousands of dollars to send him to jail and he ends up being sexually raped and abused and kills himself.

I think Rudi's point is excellent in that someone is to blame for that young man taking his life. Especially when we are close to helping prevent these types of crimes in prison.

Yea partial blame goes to Eric Holder for his inaction when we are close to solving part of this problem. We can spend millions on special interest funding but when it comes to real issues...we come up with all the excuses in the world not to really tackle the problem.
17 months ago: Yes, they definitely should be intervened on instead of incarcerated. Of course there are no absolutes, but sometimes fire starting is an indicator of underlying trauma, many times sexual abuse at home. So, they act it out and get in trouble, but nothing happens on the home front. It's sad.

Have any of you ever watched OZ? It was a Showtime series on prison. A very close friend of mine had been locked up for 11 years. He said that show had the most accurate representation of anything he'd seen. They have some rape scenarios. One is an Aryan who forces the new guy...a man in prison on a DUI.

@six - There may be some latent homosexual thoughts and probably some offenders are gay. I guess my point was really that it's unfortunate because it just further dumps on homosexuals, most of whom would not rape anyone (or want it, a thought some have condoning their rape).

I hope they CAN monitor because it makes them safer. I agree that prisons need to be overhauled. It's just not always safe to be the one who speaks up. Haven't you ever heard "snitches get stitches" or "snitches end up in ditches"? It is a mentality held hard. When you're locked up then you have to try to show bravado if you have it or not. It's not about incarceration, but sheer survival.

I just can't imagine thinking "I want to exert control today so I'll anally rape someone". It's a demented thing. I think that all prison personnel should have to live imprisoned for a week or some amount of time before working in one. Same w/jail.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
17 months ago: All of you guys, got good points and views.

But the "Prison Corporation of America", who own the jails only want more profit.

That is why we have more prisoners than any other country in the world.

It is about PROFIT for the elites who own the jails and the corrupt politicians who permit this treason.

What you want will never happen, unless we restore this corrupt country from the bottom up.

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
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