Don't Ask Don't Tell: Replaced With "If Against Don't Tell"

Posted 27 months ago|6 comments|685 views
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"If you express difficulties as a chaplain you are specifically ordered by your commanders that you do not speak to the press about your concerns about the repeal process," he said. "I think there is a double standard. If you are in favor of the repeal and how things are going you can speak publicly about it. If you have problems with it you cannot speak publicly about it."

So there you have it... again ...where political agendas trump truth! When the wind blew in favor of ignorance and dismissal, orders were given to keep your personal orientation zipped... now that the US has an openly pro-gay Commander In Chief, you are encouraged to share pro-gay experience, and zipped if there is a problem with it!

Some not so obvious problems occur with the entire openly gay military... like "straights being oggled by gays in showers"... but the reversal on policy, that censores anyone with a problem with it, or even the freedom to express difficulties with said policy or practice. Now a segment of the military is forced to keep quiet of disruption, and then use those same stats of silence to persuade the public "all is well" is not only a travesty of justice, but a betrayal of those who signed up to serve their country...
forced into awkward situations they can't speak about.

Neutralizing gender and orientation is an agenda... not a birthright. IF being born with a gay or transgendered orientation is the fact, why the hype and indoctrination or the forced bias in government institutions? Why the enforcement of a slanted report to the support of such legislation? Why not open and honest dialogue on the impact that the DADT Repeal really has had? The political wind blowing in this direction would seem is reaching strong typhoon proportions, obliterating anything that would stand in it's path... but is this democracy?

The answer is, it doesn't have to be democracy... it is the military! Uunder military law anything ordered is law! What a perfect testing ground for this LGTB Agenda to be forced into acceptance... who will be able to resist? Then the obvious next step is to force it on the public... backed by the same military... who will be able to resist?
This is the 'NEW' Democracy...

"Don't Waste Your Life" by John Piper
27 months ago: "Uunder military law anything ordered is law!"

Wrong. It must be a lawful order. Very risky for a commander to order a subordinate to not talk openly about their opinions when it does not concern items of national security. Inflammatory speech by a member of the armed forces is already subject to the UCMJ. All depends on where and with who and how you are talking.

For the most part, there are few communal showers and getting ogled in the shower is no different than getting ogled at a bar, the chow hall or in the chapel or gym. It is going to happen whether the military has gays openly or not.

Do you segregate your gays and straights at church? Or are the gays not allowed?
27 months ago: Six,

On the subject of being "ogled" ...there is a vast difference if in a communal shower or in a public forum... for guys it's all visual, I would no more send my daughter into a shower with guys, than my son into a shower with homosexuals! Just because you say it, it doesn't make it so... sorry Six I disagree. As to a public scenario, like you mentioned Church... no one is segregated, nor do we ask people for their orientation... everyone is welcome, and made to feel welcome... but that being said, we don't go for a "communal" shower after communion !:]
Eugene, OR
27 months ago: This is a question of basic human rights. People that are LGBT have the same rights as everyone else. The Commander in chief has simply commanded the military to stop discriminating against and persecuting people, and to uphold the Constitution.

Until 1967 many states had anti-miscegenation laws and two thirds of the public supported this bigotry. The KKK and most of the racists in the country no doubt thought their freedom of speech were being attacked when the Supreme Court in Loving Vs. Virginia declared that these laws were unconstitutional.

A lot of that racism is still there, they just don't talk aloud about it. It took a long time to convince people that blacks in the military were good for anything more than peeling potatoes and doing service jobs for the whites, but commands from the higher ups eventually stopped racist officers from assigning blacks the crap jobs. Today there is still a lot of racism, instead of being open about their racism, they spread nonsense like the President not really being a US citizen so they don't feel compelled to follow their leader and Commander in Chief.

The attitudes of homophobes are also not going to go away just because it is unconstitutional. They just come out with nonsense like being ogled in the showers.

Six is right, Gay folk have been taking showers with straight folk forever and there have been no problems, because the gay folk are not dumb enough to make a big deal of it. On the other hand, why do prisoners have to worry about picking up dropped soap, when almost everyone in prison is heterosexual?
27 months ago: I agree with putting a stop to discrimination of those that are LGBT, yet now there seems a reverse discrimination and preferential treatment of them, that in turn may cause also a negative effect. The problem I am revealing is with the command of superior officers to censor any reports that show that this repeal isn't working. This agenda is biased from the start... silencing the negative, while grandstanding those same stats to prove "all is well". Is that your kind of honesty?

"Part of the impression that is now in the public has been caused by the Department of the Defense refusal to allow chaplains and other service members who have expressed problems with this repeal," Crews, USAR retired, told The Christian Post. "They have denied them the opportunity to speak openly about these problems while at the same time, Department of the Defense officials are highlighting how this repeal has benefitted soldiers and military personnel who engage in homosexuality."

As to your comment about "almost everyone in prison is heterosexual" is just like a LGBT Fundamentalist to not include the bisexual inmates !:]
Eugene, OR
27 months ago: It depends on how you define repeal not working. the article you cited said it is way too early to tell if the repeal is working but there are still a lot of homophobic chaplains refusing to perform gay weddings. The test is whether gay members of the military can perform their duties, and all indications are that they can and have.

I have long been aware there are a lot of different sexual behavior out there. Kinsey reported that there is a broad spectrum of sexual behavior with 37% of males having sex with other males although only 1-3% describe themselves as Bi and 7-8% as homosexual.
27 months ago:

Have a read.

Think they were coerced into their statements?

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