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Does Immigration Hurt Everyone In The End

Posted 10 months ago|10 comments|415 views
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This is a subject that i think is really hurting a small country like England and i just cant see it getting any better.

When England built the tunnel connecting it to France it literally opened the flood gates.

I live in a town of 250,000 people, 5 years ago 100,000 people lived here.
The effect of allowing thousands of people from somalia,lithuainia,poland,nigeria and eastern european countries has had on infastructure is immense.

5 years ago if you wanted state provided housing you went on a list and got it.
Hospital waiting lists were small and you were seen very quickly in this area.
Its not just free hospitals and doctors that are under pressure.

In England there is a benefit system and like all systems if you know how to play it then you can abuse it.
There are people in court everyday claiming in 14 or 15 different names getting thousands of dollars a week in free state benefits.

The only people who are happy with the situation at the moment are business leaders as the immigrants that do want to work are often underpaid and have to work in horrendous conditions.

The low skill jobs are all filled by immigrants which will often work for peanuts and then more local people are forced on to the benefits system.

In europe the immigration rules state the immigrants have to claim asylum in the first country the reach.
Spain,Germany,France,Italy are not abiding by these rules and giving them a few hundred pounds and pointing them in our direction.
The labour government that was in power for 10 years or so did nothing on this subject.
The crimes being commited by these immigrants are rape,murder and serious crimes.
When they are caught they often say they did it to make sure they stay in the country.
So it is hurting innocent people.

Before anyone jumps on me for this i am not a racist.
I feel sorry for these people and the attrocities they have seen but not all of them deserve to be here.
In other countries it is managed better and only skilled immigrants are let in and i think England needs to do that to stop the flow.
The problem now is eastern european countries are giving immigrants passports and then moving them on to England.
England can never get rid of them as they have an EU passport.
Maybe the time is coming to remove ourselves from the EU and cap immigration as we cant cope with all the people and the country will go under.
How can you manage this problem and how is it managed near you.
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10 months ago: Poverty hurts everyone in the end.

I'm sorry but I do not have much sympathy for British England in this situation. At one point in history the English held sway over much of the known world. They pillaged the coffers of every major country in that world at one point or another in the past.

The British took the resources from the lands they "colonized," shipped them en-mass to their European markets and profited greatly. These colonies were left desolate and were deserted left and right once the resources were extracted, the natives left destitute, virtually enslaved by economic hardship.

In the matter of say India and Pakistan The English were greatly responsible for those countries national poverty. The English having removed and sold much of the natural resources generations ago while retaining control over land where those resources are still available to this day.

The crimes committed by the immigrants are the same crimes committed by the general public. The increase of crime overall is of course due to the expanded population and to be expected. These people are in general not committing any more crimes per capita then the average Englishman.

I understand the economic frustration but your very way of life was received in large part by the spoils of war and off the backs of those poverty stricken violent nations today. Your going to have to learn to live within the structure of the modern world sacrificing for your fellow man and hell if it gets much worse you could go live in Somalia.
10 months ago: Every land in this world has been in one war or another so i can throw that right back at ya slim.
England did rule alot of the world but it also pays for alot of the world.
Our foreign aid budget is millions a year and to say we caused poverty in pakistan and india i think is wrong.
We educated and encouraged these countries to grow and yes i agree profited from them years ago.
In some of your points slim i agree with you but there are hundreds of serious crimes being commited every day by these sometimes illegal immigrants just to stay in our country so they can get handouts.
Well i am saying this has to stop and the handouts have to stop then some of these countries will have something to moan about when our aid is stopped most of them wouldnt survive with out it.
England pays more than its fair shair in this world perhaps some of the other countries should do the same.
10 months ago: Well. That was not my point. I can only think of a handful of far reaching empirical nations and only two who were even moderately successful, those being Rome of course and Britannia.

Now America robbed the aboriginal Indians. But most of our expansion was paid for in cash. And with only an inkling of the vast amount of resources available.

I also don't meant to say that Britons were responsible for the poverty that exists today. Most of those countries are suffering from obscene corruption with their leaders committing the same sort of economic rape that republicans are trying to get away with in this country today by allowing the rich to step away from the traditional role of patrician. And simply fill their coffers on the backs of the middle class and seniors.

All you need to do in order to see how the English have impoverished India is have a look at who owns the bulk of their remaining natural resources.
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10 months ago: Methinks Mr. Pickens has the look of an Anglo. I think that probably around the same time England was colonizing in the Middle East and Africa, Mr. Pickens' forebears were loading up to come to America, to try their hand at the same thing here. I would suggest that Mr. Pickens house a few dozen immigrants at his home, to make up for the sins of his ancestors.
10 months ago: OOTB sounds like a Republican trying like hell to equate federal policy with household administration. Next thing you know he will be talking about the federal budget and my credit cards, instead of providing some valid argument of my point. But of course that's misdirection.

Look at your history and look at who owns the bulk of India's natural resources. I'm not saying that English Male needs to pay for the sins of his ancestors but I am saying that his government will. Fair or not legal or not.

Welsh/Irish - Sicilian.

My ancestors were tricked into leaving Ireland and glad to be leaving Sicily
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10 months ago: Actually, federal policy does directly relate to household administration. And Britain's mamby-pamby immigration policies have directly affected the prosperity of the nation as a whole, and as a sum of the individual units, namely the households.

Welsh, huh? The odds just went up dramatically that we are related after all. My ancestors hail from Scotland and Wales.
10 months ago: This is our point of contention. I believe that political leadership is blindsiding us with this particular argument. Federal policy does not, can not, and never has mirrored household administration. To try and simplify the situation in such a manner is to belittle the common American Citizen.

You have been manipulated into believing that the only logical choice when confronted with debt is to radically change the way you spend money, when in fact it becomes imperative that you increase income because to slow growth is the surest way to failure.

Look around you man. What's getting underfunded? What programs are getting cut? Education? Law Enforcement? Fire Services? Now Social Security, Yet not a dime of sacrifice comes from the pockets of those who made their fortunes on the backs of the American people?
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10 months ago: I didn't say federal policy mirrors household policy, or vice versa. I said Federal, (or government) policy directly relates to household policy.

Then, to continue with the off-topic part of the discussion, there is nothing simple about increasing government revenues through higher taxes. Generally, higher taxes result in reduced government revenue.

But I don't want to hijack the immigration issue, which was the topic of this article.
10 months ago: Slim,
I thought that most of india's oil production which is an impressive 850,000 barrels a day is state owned,
I think it is upwards of 70 percent of oil production is manufactored by state owned companies.
Indias gas is run by state owned companies
10 months ago: hey box if you wanna go off track its cool as i agree if you put up taxes then the end result will be less revenue as people will spend less on other things resulting in less tax.

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