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Dianetics and Mr Farrakhan go to Tampa
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The Nation of Islam's annual convention begins in Tampa next week, and the Rev. Louis Farrakhan will deliver the keynote address Oct. 17.

That date is the Holy Day of Atonement, according to the organization's website, and this year's gathering commemorates the 15th anniversary of the Million Man March in October 1995. The convention is titled "Atonement, Reconciliation and Responsibility."

Scheduled as one of the events on Oct 15th The Nation of Islam will be continuing its Dianetics Indoctronation.
for those that aren't aware Louis Farrakhan now envisions the entire Nation of Islam embracing Scientology as part of its new teachings.

Louis Farrakhan reveal issues and problems encountered during the first weeks of the Nation of Islam's Dianetics study program this takes place at the Maryam Mosque in Chicago,on Tues. Sept. 14, 2010 where he went into much grater detail of his plans to Study Dianetics and other Scientology courses.


Louis Farrakhan goes into more detail than this column allows. he speaks at legnth about it in a 2 hour speech addressing some of the problems and complaints his members are having with being required to take Scientology courses. (audio link is provided below)

Unfortunately,the a portion of Nation of Islam followers are most likely unaware of the mind control involved and how quickly they can fall under the spell. fortunately the Internet and news sources can dispel some of that. listening to the speech one thing is clear, there is an extreme amount of dissatisfaction with the Minister decision,to embrace Scientology
many if not a majority are clearly upset.but despite this Louis Farrakhan pushes on.many ask the question,what does he gain by demanding they follow this course?


Dianetics is the basic entry level of Scientology several questions arise,Will The Nation of Islam learn about OSA Scientology's Office of Special Affairs and their less than ethical methods? Will members of NOI come to recognize that Farrakhan has become enamored with and is susceptible to an organization with a massive pyramid structure whose purpose is to "make money, make more money, make others produce so as to make more money"?

And what will happen if and when Farrakhan and the NOI finally realize they've been scammed by David Miscavige and Scientology
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Louis Farrakan disclosed that the Nation of Islam is interested in more than Dianetics (Scientology)also its Study programs,such as Study Tech and quite possibly Scientology's Applied Scholastics and that the programs are in place and being implemented. Farrakhan also interested in Scientology's Administration and tech organizational tech. as well as other Scientology programs as A New Slant on Life,Fundamentals of Thought,Problems of Work. so the emphasis isn't on Dianetics alone. and it is clear that will be adapting much of Scientology.

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Here are a few excerpts from that speech.Here he reveals there is more than Dianetics involved.

Larry: Uh ... Well I ... You know, I tell you ... The minister said ... You know ... A lot of us have been to college and have a bachelor's degree, master's, doctorate in education. And I told them in Saint Louis, where we were trainin' the study technology, that, in three weeks of training, the study technology gave us what we had really been lookin' for that could be used to help people learn anything that they want to learn. And understandin' the misunderstood word, lack of mass, the too-steep a gradient, and the three barriers to learning. And I discovered that the example that we see in the Minister and the ability to focus on anything, and learn and master anything, can now be done when we learn and master the study technology. So, we're excited about implementing that, first with the children, ... well, first with ourselves, the educators, and we've already started training the children.

Administration technology. Now, we need that. We need it at home. We need to know how better to manage our finances, manage ourselves, manage our children, manage our mosques, our schools, our businesses. That's a technology that they have a good grip on, and I thought we should have that. Last ... organizational technology. Do we need that?

2:16:11 Audience: Yes, sir!
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Louis Farrakhan goes on to tells his followers

"Yeah, well ... Well, who the hell is L. Ron Hubbard? I'm tryin' to find out, you know. But what he developed, let's look at it, see what value is in it."

"Now, there have been a number of announcements made previously, and we want to make sure that everyone is on the same page, with respect to Dianetics. And you have heard mention, multiple times, that the goal was to have a thousand auditors by the Day of Atonement. Well, the goal is to have a thousand auditors, period."

that 1000 auditors trained in (Scientology) Dianetics folks.
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He goes on to say:

" If you can't go with me this ... this mile, I thank you for all that you've done. But you suckin' the life out of the real believers, and it's better that we cut off a dead limb from a live tree"

He is using the carrot of spiritual salvation to push his congregation into Dianetics training
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"Now, there's a lot of negative talk out there about L. Ron Hubbard. ... Uh? I haven't read all the negative books about him. I don't really care, to be very honest. 'cause, as you can tell a tree by the fruit it bears, you really can tell a man by his works. L. Ron Hubbard has written thousands upon thousands up thousands of words. The believers just got a little. And I saw their spirit, their faith, activated. You say, "Well, hell man, if they was comin' to the mosque, they could be activated." It depends on who's teaching."
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instead of Looking at the volumes of critical books written on the subject of Hubbard's phony religion, he choses to be enamored with Scientology's possessions,its buildings,its reported Billions of Dollars,and its glossy propaganda.
if you listen to the whole transcript it is abundantly clear there is distention in the ranks.

Scientology has been quietly targeting Mr Farrakhan since 2006 maybe sooner,by going after the Leader of this group, knowing full well they can use it to their advantage, Minister Farrakhan seems to choose to ignore the information reguarding L Ron Hubbard being a fraud,and a con artist with a sorrid history and instead has chosen to demand his followers take the training without question to his athority.using a form of spiritual blackmail.

Scientology is a pyrimid scheme that pulls its victims in a little at a time, gradually increasing its costs and pushing more courses.

Dianetics is Scientology and its the on-ramp and gateway into Scientology,its the carrot, auditing and keeping secret files is the stick.

Its been reported over and over that Scientology records the auditing sessions,by their own admission they will claim its a private confessional,critics and ex-members say that info is often used for other nefarious reasons.


its Seems that David Miscavige and Scientology have found Minister Farrakhan's Ruin,and with it they can now begin to exploit Minister Farrakhan's followers.
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for reference Louis Farrakhan Defends Dianetics (audio only)
http://rutube.ru/tracks/3640898.html?v=d...

for reference Here is the Nation of Islam Holy Day of Atonement Dianetics sign up page for Oct 15th
http://noicomments.org/index.php
UPDATE - 19 months ago
For those that are curious on how long this romance between Scientology and Louis Farrakhan has been going on you can check this Wiki link.

And if your a Member of the Nation of Islam Google "The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power" its a 1991 article on Scientology start there and keep searching,theres a lot of information out there, don't get caught up in Scientology's propaganda.


http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/Scientology...

"The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power"
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-...

theres a reason its labeled a cult.
UPDATE - 19 months ago

St Petersburg Times writes on the relationship between Scientology and Mr Farrakhan

Louis Farrakhan renews call for self-determination among Nation of Islam followers
By Shelley Rossetter and Thomas C. Tobin, Times Staff Writers
In Print: Monday, October 18, 2010

http://www.tampabay.com/news/religion/lo...
UPDATE - 19 months ago
St Petersburg Times
Nation of Islam leaders in Tampa for 15th anniversary of Million Man March

By Elisabeth Parker, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Friday, October 15, 2010

assistant to Louis Farrakhan Minister Ishmael Muhammad was quoted

"We are studying the Dianetics as a technology that can help members of our community,"

http://www.tampabay.com/news/religion/na...
UPDATE - 19 months ago
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http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Unholy-Alli...

Rant Nation of Islam joins Forces with the Church of Scientology
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Nation-of-I...

Rant Scientology and Louis Farrakhan's New Alliance
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Scientology...

Rant Louis Farrakhan studys Dianetics in Tampa
http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Louis-Farra...
UPDATE - 19 months ago
Nation of Islam Promoting Dianetics
Posted on October 15, 2010 by Richard Bartholomew
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2010/10...
UPDATE - 19 months ago
October 22
" Lying Louie Gets Beamed Up" By Brother Khem Allah


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knowenstan12
knowenstan12
Los Angeles, CA
19 months ago: I say, whatever works for him. I've read a lot of articles about how Scientology teachings have helped schools, businesses and non-profit agencies, and in my opinion, it is better that Farrakhan is taking an active stance to improve lives through the Nation of Islam, rather than doing nothing at all.
jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
19 months ago: knowenstan : be honest-by press you mean Scientology propaganda press releases. that only Scientologist bother to read.
those reports are rife with exaggerations,false statistics,and half truths.

Scientologists are fed so much disinformation and have become programmed to the lies. only those thoroughly indoctrinated believe the crap Scientology publishes.

the mainstream press dosen't bother to write about or report favorably when it comes to Scientology and their front groups. and for good reason.
most of the statistics and PR nonsense Scientology puts out is nonsense and can be picked apart. plus there is a long sordid history and record of the criminal abuse of that organization

Scientology dosen't improve lives. Mr Farrakhan and his followers will realize that sooner than later. just like the majority of people that walk through the doors of an Ideal Org,most never come back. the smart one see it for the fraud it is.
19 months ago: Throughout the millenia, a new religion or a new religious philosophy are the center of attack. Throughout the millenia, every religion that stills exists, exists only because it took a "don't tred on me" stance. It defended itself. During this process, it may have set policies that later were changed or cancelled entirely.

The "doom and gloom" that Johnny ace rants on about, in no way discredits the workability of Dianetics (what the spirit is doing to the body THROUGH the mind) nor of Scientology (scio = TO KNOW + ology= study of, which together means The study of knowing or knowing how to know in its fullest sense.)

That said, every library was sent s dry of all of L Ron Hubbard's basic books. , The websites www.ScientologyHandbook.org contains 16 chapters, each provides information to better understand the various types of problems that people face.

The website www.Scientology.org has a video section of each Hubbard's major solutions to deep-seated societal problems. Each video has non-Scientologists -- such as heads of police departments, politicians, religious leaders and human rights experts -- acknowledging the benefits of the effective methods developed by Hubbard and which can be used by any individual regardless of the spiritual path he is on.

So, Mr. Ace, what book or course or FIRST-HAND knowledge do you have of the workability of Dianetics and/or Scientology?(www.ScientologyHandbook.org)?
19 months ago: I'm a business man and do not work for any Scientology organization. I've been a Scientologist for 25+ years. I have visited nearly all the anti-scientology sites, and I know their repetitive message.

I consider Rev. Farrakhan reported comment (follows) as an exemplary view.

He stated:
I haven't read all the negative books about him. I don't really care, to be very honest. 'cause, as you can tell a tree by the fruit it bears, you really can tell a man by his works. L. Ron Hubbard has written thousands upon thousands up thousands of words. The believers just got a little. And I saw their spirit, their faith, activated. You say, "Well, hell man, if they was comin' to the mosque, they could be activated." It depends on who's teaching."
jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
19 months ago: the trolls have arrived.
Both are new users to Rant Rave. both are cult apologists,
knowenstan12
DavidDM

from the 2 hour transcript
Mr Farrakhan said: They meaning Scientology-

Well, I can answer that question for you. They ain't done a damn thing ... for no Black people. In Tampa, Florida, Clearwater, Florida, Chicago, Illinois, they've set their orgs up downtown, in the midst of the rich, in the midst of the powerful, because those are the people that have the money to go up that Bridge. We are poor people! Can nobody deliver this technology to us, but us!

Go listen to the speech you dear totalitarian leader Davie has squirreled the tech to accommodate Minister Farrakhan

jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
19 months ago: the latest e-mail making the rounds. this is how the cult operates.
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From: zabrina collins
Date: Sat, 25 September 2010
Subject: Please read this asap - important!
To:

Hi Guys,

I am working with OSA to get some good PR onto online versions of the
Irish newspapers. You may or may not know that Panorama is doing a 2nd
take of their documentary on the Church a couple of years ago. This
new documentary will be aired on Tuesday night on BBC.

There will be media coverage both before and after the airing. The
majority of the coverage is expected to be on line. So therefore OSA
UK have organised a counter create on this whereby certain
Scientologist are selected to post comments/readers opinions/ratings
etc where possible next to the articles on line.
The purpose of this is so that when public google SCN or read these
articles the majority of comments/posts etc will be theta, rather then
untruths.

Here is what I need you to do:
1. I will contact you with data on where a negative article is - I
will probably text you as that will be quickest.
2. You log on to the site of the newspaper and go to the article.
Please do this as soon as possible after getting the text from me.
3. You do not necessarily have to read all the article.
4. There will be an opinions section or forum close to the article.
5. I need you to write a good roads, good weather comment here stating
some tru data about SCN - using a personal experience is good! DO NOT
take up any entheta - grant to no beingness. It is important not to
engage the opposition and get into a debate or react to provocations.
You can also if you wish deviate off the subject onto a new topic. The
concentration of your post is to fill the vacuum per PR Series 18 and
continue to talk about expansion!!!
6. When you have done - copy and paste your post and email it back to me.

If you have any questions, call me on . I know this is
total pain in the **** guys - and postulate that the Irish newspapers
don't put anything on line so we don't even have to bother!

THANKS GUYS!!
ML,
Zabrina
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this comes from the cult .this is standard operating procedure for commenting on any critical story about Scientology
Frederick
Frederick
Canada
19 months ago: Here's a Hubbard quote for Farrakan-- "Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular, down south, where they're pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost and the wagon and the whip and anything around there—a hat. They talk to them, you know? "What'sa mattuh wi' you, hat?" [audience laughter] They imbue them with personality." Search a bit on the internet and you can actually find Hubbard saying this.
19 months ago: The lecture by L Ron Hubbard (from which a few words were taken -- typical of Anon) detailed the many paths different cultures have to embue their environment with spiritualism. In the East, there are spiritual philosophies that recognize the life-force that resonates from all life forms. The Hindu religion acknowledge many to whom they pray. The American Indians, a highly spiritual society until near wiped out by the settlers, did likewise.

Of the 33 MILLION words Hubbard wrote detailing his Research & Development of an immortal spiritual being (YOU, not your body), it is quite easy to take something out of context. Almost all of the publications and lectures (3,000+) are available to anyone, most in 15 languages.

I have been hearing the term "one-lifer" more frequently. A one-lifer is an individual who thinks he just is his body. Not unexpected in the materialism of Western society.

But everyone's entitled to express his / her opinion.

Having expressed mine, good night.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
19 months ago: Someday these fools need to read the ideas and beliefs on the God Ron, about blacks.

These militant tough guys will find out what it feels like to be used.

Until that time, all they are doing is showing how Liberal the Corporation known as $cientology really is.

They are the greatest proof that Liberals like the GOD RON, are more racist than any Republican can ever be.

They deserve each other.

The agenda, and the mental and social behavior of: A communist, socialist, liberal, progressive, marxist, Leninist, etc., or any combination of the these, is only understood, by knowing what they have in common mentally and emotionally and in what they want and believe in:

They are a danger to us by their most common beliefs:

Anti-Self Defense, Anti-Second Amendment, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Real Constitutional History, Anti-Family Values, Anti-Business, Pro-Big Government, Pro-New World Order, Pro-Criminals, Anti-Natural Nutrients, Pro-Excessive Taxation, Pro-Excessive Federal Regulations, Pro-Abortion Or Anti-Life, Anti-Real Causes Of Illnesses And Pro-Symptom Cures, Anti-Natural Doctors And Pro-Symptom Doctors, Anti-God, Anti-Religion, Pro-Godless Cults, Anti-Patriotism, Pro-Corruption, and Pro-Immorality, Pro-Perversion, Pro-Bestiality, Etc., And Etc..

When We Have Commie Liberals In Control, We Don't Need Plagues, We Have The 666 To Rule Us.

By knowing how their sick minds work. Can you trust them? Do they ever tell the truth?

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://movielocker.com/5232 -- installs the viewer

http://www.powercrossing.com/ plays the video on "What happened to the constitution?"

http://www.zshare.net/video/770741931126...
jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
19 months ago: a fly on the wall inside the Ft Harrison Hotel
(Scientology's Flag Base in Clearwater)

Oct 17th tonight: reports Minister Farrakhan and guests attended a dinner and were Entertained by Scientologists Chaka Kahn and Doug E Fresh in a cult like "love bomb" **** kissing schmooze fest of epic proportion.

how will this romance blossom?

stay tuned.
16 months ago: I am Scientologist.

Now, whatever someone may says about Scientology, one thing is to understand. That "Scientology" has a meaning, and about Scientology one may found out here: http://www.scientology.org

Then there are so many people, successful in life, who are Scientologists and who apply the technology to help themselves and others. Scientology is not about the money, it is about helping. Those which do donate in Scientology, donate to learn on how to help others.

It is quite easy for a non productive person to rant about what other people do, but nobody can say that Scientology did not help.

Scientology Volunteer Ministers were among the first to help victims of the 9/11, and were among the first in Haiti and are still helping people all around the world. No need for money! They are trained. They do help. They have results.
http://www.volunteerministers.org/

Now, when one comes and say something against people who help others, I do have to say my word. Only psychotic goes against people who help others. And only non-productive, usually jobless person has time to rant against the help to other people.

People, what is wrong with help? Haven't you ever got help from someone? Ever got helped by mother? By father? Ever got a good advice?

The Way to Happiness Foundation, sponsored very much by Scientologist, and proclaimed by Clinton, Bush, Schwarzenegger, and many other governors and mayors throughout the U.S., have been helping people for years.
http://www.thewaytohappiness.org/

Now, what is wrong about delivering a non-religious, common sense, guide to ethics, a guide to a way to happiness? Scientologist do that. They help other people.
16 months ago: there is a steady stream of high level people leaving Scientology and speaking out.

16 months ago:

there is a steady stream of high level people leaving Scientology and speaking out.

Well, in any group, including schools, companies, sport teams, religions, governments, there is always a certain percentage of people who are doing mischief or in one way or another do not feel to belong to the group and leave.

Large amount of those people who "left" Scientology and speak out, actually did not left the Scientology but were expelled for their insincere behavior. Usually, people are given chance to repair the mistakes, but when they refuse any responsibility, they might get expelled.

So, me and you, we agree in one way on that. In comparison with the large number of parishioners, that small amount of people is understandable.

Overall, and most important, that does not make Scientology unusable. It is highly precise technology to achieve profound spiritual knowledge. To help oneself and others in life, and that is what many people do.

One has to understand that the only difference between a Scientologist and someone who is not, is that Scientologist has been reading Scientology books and by using the books and his own knowledge, Scientologist strives to help others, himself, his family, his group and the society. To be a Scientologist means to help oneself and others to improve.

Those are usually literate people, who read the books and apply the good knowledge they find. There is nothing wrong in being a Scientologist. It does not mean you are a part of a "cult". So far, one can be a Scientologist without ever meeting anyone, just by reading books and applying the knowledge to help others.

Now, psychotics, like to rant and rave against the help. Scientology is HELP and IS helpful. And so many results, recognitions, proclamations proove that.

It is however very dangerous knowledge, that Scientology, because Scientology is a technology, which actually proves that people may be helped in many areas where government and traditional methods have failed. http://www.scientology.org and http://www.dianetics.org are good pointers to find out what Scientology is doing for people and for the society.

Powerful and for many dangerous knowledge in Scientology is the technology to help people learn efficiently. Scientology proves that there are little or no people who are "stupid", but enables one to become more successful and that one can learn ANYTHING and efficiently pass all the exams. That is quite opposite to the traditional schooling, where some teachers were suppressing children to never pass the class. Now, Scientology proves that what schools try to achieve: that every child may learn, that every child and student may successfully pass exams and that ANYTHING may be learnt. I find that quite amazing, and I can understand why failed people may try to oppose the application of such knowledge.

Further, very useful, but for some dangerous knowledge is the Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health http://www.dianetics.org where one learns about his mind, his mental pictures, about his reactive mind and analytical mind. One may found out that our mind is perfect, it perfectly analyzes data it has and acts on it. Failure may happen only due to the lack of information and reactive mind. All psychosomatic problems may be solved by using Dianetics knowledge. And all any personal problems may be solved by using Dianetics. Further, state called in Buddhism "enlightenment" for which some Buddhist work for years, may be achieved by Dianetics within months. And Dianetics and understanding of the human mind is the key to stop war, to promote
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jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
16 months ago:
"Large amount of those people who "left" Scientology and speak out, actually did not left the Scientology but were expelled for their insincere behavior. Usually, people are given chance to repair the mistakes, but when they refuse any responsibility, they might get expelled"

is that the party line...is that the best LIE Scientology can spin.

that somehow magically explain away the abuse...NO

THEY ARE ALL BAD thats the gist of your argument. Well they are a reflection of Scientology if thats the case.

GIVE THEM ALL labels like "suppressives" and "degraded beings" and "low toned".. Hubbard's bigoted policies at work BLAME EVERYONE ELSE a bit childish don't ya think

your logic is reversed, especially since you have lead yourself to believe there are Millions Scientologists, when Religious Identification Surveys put that number under 50,000 Scientology has been in a RAPID DECLINE over the past decade.

JLEWIS says:

"psychotics, like to rant and rave against the help. Scientology is HELP and IS helpful"


your "THOUGHT STOPPING" HAS KICKED IN. -TIME TO SPAM PROPAGANDA

cant have critical thought "ENTHETA" "WARNING" WILL ROBINSON

MUST LABEL ALL CRITICAL THINKING PSYCHOTICS

SPAM PROPAGANDA CUT PASTE

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16 months ago: Dear jandar,

If you wish to make an argument, or a quote, please do it correctly, truthfully. As this what you have written here is not true:


"Large amount of those people who "left" Scientology and speak out, actually did not left the Scientology but were expelled for their insincere behavior. Usually, people are given chance to repair the mistakes, but when they refuse any responsibility, they might get expelled"
is that the party line...is that the best LIE Scientology can spin.

You are citing my words, my thoughts, my opinion. How can you mistake my own opinion for the organization "Scientology"? Why do you at all considers "Scientology speaks out", when there is just a small business guy there expressing his opinion, like me. I am speaking for myself. And what the Church of Scientology speaks out, may be found on their website: http://www.scientology.org

I have never said "they are all bad", but I did read some of the backgrounds of those who have been expelled and spoke out, and I only found out that many of them did have some crimes and were expelled for the mischief. Good so.

My "thought stopping" did not "kick in", my God, no. But still, I understand what you mean, only that your comment was very one sided and narrow.
jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
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jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
16 months ago: THAT IS THE PARTY LINE..THE BEST LIE SCIENTOLOGY CAN SPIN

its been said over and over like a broken record... ZOMBIES COULDN'T DO IT BETTER

Keep puking up the Scientology SPAM

www.scientologyisforretards.com


16 months ago: Dear Mrs. Jandar,

I like having parties, but I don't see how your comment is on topic, but never mind.

Now, this video actually mentions Dianetics and Dianetics is not Scientology. Dianetics is further not a religion, but a complete science of the human mind.

It is understandable that some people contribute and support Dianetics movement, as Dianetics helps one in many areas. It answers questions such as:

1. What is the source of irrational behavior?
2. How to overcome jealousy and envy?
3. How to get rid of the reactive mind?
4. And how to think clearly and become "Clear" and get better in life;

More about Dianetics may be found here:
http://www.dianetics.org

Now, Dianetics is a workable technology, it does help people, and people truly get better by using Dianetics. When one actually sees results with his own eyes, I can very well understand why some politicians, governors, and religious leaders support Dianetics technology. Because it does help the people.
16 months ago:
I have never said "they are all bad", but I did read some of the backgrounds of those who have been expelled and spoke out, and I only found out that many of them did have some crimes and were expelled for the mischief. Good so.

to the non-Scientologist reading this "crimes" dosen't necessarily mean "theft of robbery" its not "crime" in the traditional sense.

becoming disillusioned with Scientology or If you have critical thoughts, then you have undisclosed "crimes".

"He Has Crimes" think about it JLouis by labeling someone who has doubts or critical thinking..

"He Has Crimes" you've just explained it away..without questioning the basis of facts..

its one sided.

this is organizational "though stopping". The "thought stopping" is not only built into your thinking.

"though stopping" is a device to thwart any critical thinking for the entire group

because others are willing to cover the Entheta so that others will toe the line.

critical thinking isn't bad, at times it may save your life. or protect you from a bad investment. I am not assuming you don't have some of your critical thinking intact. buy some of that self control has be subjugated.

but Scientologist in general allow themselves to be submissive to "thought stopping"and accept it without much questioning.

ENTHETA can be an absolute equivocal TRUTH

Scientology will explain it away as if its "Black PR" and paint it as a conspiracy.
that is "thought stopping" on steroids.

its manipulation an it only serves one purpose,it allows the abuse to go unnoticed

but I did read some of the backgrounds of those who have been expelled and spoke out

what you read was ORGANIZATIONAL THOUGHT STOPPING "He's an SP" or "She's been declared."
"He's got overts." "He's PTS." at some point the truth gets intentionally lost

People Leave Scientology because they get tired and fed up of the "Lies and Manipulation" and other things like the silly little games of forced disconnection.

its Not because they were expelled. the write up in the files are just a practice of "THOUGHT STOPPING"

they are psychotic-they were expelled-refused responsibility-drug revert and a thousand more "THOUGHT STOPPING"machinations


everything In life should be able to be challenged, even Hubbard's research

but to even think that is ENTHETA

Its "THOUGHT STOPPING" by design.


theres a reason thousands of Ex-Scientologist are critical. Your seeing it with blinders on.

16 months ago: Dear Mr. Ace,

After all what you have said, here, you wanna say something is wrong with me?

Well then!
jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
16 months ago: Dianetics is Scientology
and Scientology is Dianetics

BOTH are as bad as "selling crack to babies"


16 months ago: Ha ha ha, you are funny!
16 months ago: How do your feel about the Nation of Islam stance on RACE SEPARATION
andthier CLAIM THE WHITE RACE IS THE DEVIL?
jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
16 months ago: You didn't read what he wrote....your afraid too..

its the ENTHETA BOOGIE MAN

How about the Nation of Islam any thoughts on that?
16 months ago: May I say honestly what I think?

Nation of Islam -- I am absolutely for all of their religious rights.

I am against any violence. And I would never support race separation. I don't know what they claim, I can say for myself, based on what you ask.

And not as a Scientologist, but as myself. Further, I do think that Dianetics when applied will help people understand that there are no "races" in terms of intelligence, there may be colors or call it races, but we are all people. By applying Dianetics principles, the actual method auditing, one may get rid of wrong and false information, which is not pro survival.

And look, white race to be devil? Well one may look that way, but then looking into the history, any race could be said to be devil. That does not help anyone, it is just a cruel nonsense against humanity.

But I mean, if someone is thursty, you give him water, right?
When someone needs medical help, we shall help.

It does not matter what someone thinks or does, when someone is able to receive help and help others, then that shall be supported.

Maybe you don't agree what someone priest teaches others, but if the priest help an amount of children, why I would not want to help the priest?

I hope you get the idea. Nobody is perfect, and imperfect beings may get better.
16 months ago: ."It is quite easy for a non productive person to rant about what other people do"

"Only psychotic goes against people who help others. And only non-productive, usually jobless person has time to rant against the help to other people"

your assumptions are wrong. the tech has your head screwed on backwards and haywire....

during 9/11 Scientologist were asked to leave ground zero. thats a fact escapes you...

Volunteer ministers are far from trained...and have no business in a disaster zone.

"proclaimed by Clinton, Bush, Schwarzenegger, and many other governors and mayors"

you put too much faith in bogus spin doctor PR...The Way to Happiness booklets are landfill material.

the only thing people need to know about Scientology is its a dangerous psyopathic Cult...
16 months ago: Alright, so you said:

Volunteer ministers are far from trained...and have no business in a disaster zone.

Well, that would mean that this video here is a lie:
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=HSrJImufmJ...

But if they are are not trained? Does it make so much difference? They still go to the disaster area and help people by bringing them food and shelters. And this kind of help is also sponsored by people of good will, by Scientologists and by official Scientology organizations.

Basically, everyone who is good, likes to help others. I understand that "help" as a word may not exist in your dictionary, it does exist in mine. And I do strive to help others in my environment, in my family, in business and everywhere.

John Travolta about Scientology Volunteer Ministers:
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=hBBlug887N...

I mean, how you may say they are "untrained"? Untrained in what? Even for Albert Einstein you may say he is untrained, when you self choose the area where someone is supposed to be trained.

As a matter of fact, your facts are not true. Scientology Volunteer Ministers are all individuals gathered together to help others. And all those individuals are trained in those areas they have been trained in their personal life, further through the Scientology and they all get basic medical help trainings.

It is simply not true what you said.

I wish those children and adults get true help. And I am sorry for you, as ranting against the help to those children and people in needs is inappropriate.
jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
16 months ago: Hey! Propaganda FILMS ...I think Johnny Ace understands the meaning of "Help"


but then He's a "WOG" an inferior human being compared to a "Homo Novis" Aryan Scientology being like yourself.

"Help" is not pushing L RON HUBBARD down people throats when its Medicine they need.

"Help" is not chasing away Psychiatrists at ground zero after 9-11-that little move got the Volunteer Ministers expelled from the area.. oh wait they forgot to put that in their silly little Scientology propaganda films- well it was all over the WOG PRESS

"Help" is actually being trained in Disaster relief..not sending greenhorns that show up in Cowboy boots looking for the airport gift shop.

"Help" isn't about Photo-Ops..

a MUCH BETTER AND TRUTHFUL VIDEO ON THE VOLUNTEER MINISTERS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkftHC7Q1...

16 months ago: Dear Mrs. Jandar,

I understand you have some hateful comments, why not, everyone is truly free to write down almost anything.

But I am sorry, I, as a Scientologist, may never agree to this statement of yours:

but then He's a "WOG" an inferior human being compared to a "Homo Novis" Aryan Scientology being like yourself.

Scientologists are just people. Further, Code of Scientologist at the point 8, requires of all Scientologists to support true humanitarian endeavors in the fields of human rights.

And that is absolutely and utterly opposite of what you are trying to say: 'that Scientologists are "aryan race"' -- which is an absolute nonsense.

That is nonsense. You are not above or under me or myself. And I don't care about the press, there are so many people telling about results. And results are what counts in any organization, business and personal life.

That is what this knowledge called Scientology is all about, about getting results in life.

Scientology Video: Providing Effective Help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KmvcdFkD...

Now, let me know, have you ever helped anyone?
16 months ago: Right Johnny, very "impressive"!
16 months ago: not quite as impressive as your resume
JLouisBiz

http://www.ripoffreport.com/directory/th...
16 months ago: That is not my resume, that is psychotic writing and I offer to you US $10,000 to prove anything what is written there.

First of all, just by being openly a Scientologist, it is quite understandable there some or other psychotic will try to discredit me and myself and all my businesses, connections and family, just by that one fact. I am still here, working and in business, being successful, helping others, helping my partners earn money, and whatsoever has been written there does not make me any problem.

I am inviting anyone to review your link, no problem.

I feel sorry for you, as all what you demonstrate here is the hate, hate, hate. And you follow and repeat your anger and hate and hate.

What happened to you my fellow? Why so hateful?
16 months ago: either respond to the article ..and make a point or STFU
.grow a PAIR and debate the subject.

Leave the Scientology SPAM on the silly web page you got it from


On second thought you didn't read the post...its ENTHETA your "thought stopping" kicked in.

your not really allowed to read the article .. your only authorized to post "good roads and good weather stories"
God forbid you read it and actually adsorbed any critical information.
--
for the non Scientologists

Anything critical is, of course, "entheta." Any complaint or negative comment is "entheta." You know not to go there. can't have a dangerous thought."

As a Scientologist you hate free speech..and you also train yourself to fear it..

you have dozens more that are nothing more than a straitjacket for the mind.

That's a hate site." "They are SPs." "He's a religious bigot." "She's an LRH-hater." "She or He's got overts." "That's Black PR." "He's PTS." "She pulled it in." "thats "suppressive"

Once you have bought into this made-up gobbledygook concept of Hubbard's concerning all negative information about Scientology you have lost the ability to use critical thought and further entrap yourself in this endless scam.

All the "enemy" lists, "Suppressive Person" declares, disconnection orders, "PTS" declares, punishments, lower conditions, the suppression of any "negative" information all that crap is an entrapment.


Large amount of those people who "LEAVE" Scientology and speak out, were NOT expelled for their insincere behavior. you can tell yourself THAT till your blue in the face.

That is certainly not true for them.

people wake up to the abuse.. they listen to their doubt. and they leave.

sell your snake oil elsewhere.. I'm not buying it.

16 months ago: Dear Johnny Ace,

I am Scientologist for your notice, but I do find it hard to get confirmed what you claim. have you anything you claim actually noticed by yourself?

Quote by Johnny Ace:

your not really allowed to read the article .. your only authorized to post "good roads and good weather stories"

By the best of my knowledge, I don't know why I should not be allowed to read the article. Actually, you have mentioned many valid points in the article, and I am commenting on your comments, not on the article directly. Article is fine. People may read and make their own opinions.

But I don't know why are you so convinced that I am "authorized" by anyone, as I am not. There is nobody over me that authorizes me. Do you think that everyone has to be "authorized" to do something? Are you authorized by someone?

People are free and everyone is supposed and better be free when thinking and writing anything. This is your basic human right. Nobody forces you to write anything and nobody forces me to write anything.

For the non-Scientologist:


Anything critical is, of course, "entheta."

Well, not anything critical is "entheta". Let us first understand what "theta" means in Scientology. It comes from the Greek word Theta:

theta: energy peculiar to life which acts upon material in the physical universe and animates it, mobilizes it and changes it; natural creative energy of a being which he is free to direct toward survival goals. The term comes from the Greek letter theta (), which the Greeks used to represent thought.
Source: http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/Pa...

Entheta is probably that what someone considers disturbing, some turbulence created, and that very much depends of one's viewpoint.

I think Scientologists are very much for the free speech, and I am here also because of the free speech. With your ranting about Scientology, you may more do against the Terms and Conditions of this website, rather than against my own Terms and Conditions.

Why you wouldn't be free what you want on this website? I will vouch first that you be free and write what you want, and freely express yourself. And I said I am Scientologist. What would be wrong with you wanting to write something?

As a matter of fact, you are my favorite author and I am subscribed to all your rants and raves. Upholding people's right to expression and upholding any human rights, is one important ethical principle of every Scientologist.

Critical writing need not be "entheta", but for some maybe yes. I cannot say for others. Only that I did not see much critical writing in this article, so far I think article is pretty good, only it could be better written.

For the rest of your writing in your comment above this one, I have nothing to say, as it is too confusing and I don't understand what you mean.

Wishing you best time in expressing yourself.
16 months ago: How do you feel about The Nation of Islam and its anti-semitism? I'm assuming at this point your OK with it..
16 months ago: Anti-semitism? My God, that is wrong.
jandar
jandar
Cape Neddick, ME
16 months ago: retarded scienospam in 3.2.1
16 months ago: People will follow any wind of doctrine when they refuse to accept the plain words of truth, and please don't ask me what the plain words of truth are because if you need to ask then that means you have already refused them and will most likely dismiss this comment as jiberish.

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