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Decline of Christianity in USA

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Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
The 4 April issue of newsmagazine Newsweek headlines a story entitled, "The End of Christian America" with the subtitle, "The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades. How that statistic explains who we are now—and what, as a nation, we are about to become." (1) The writer, John Meacham interviews R. Albert Mohler Jr.—president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary as part of the article. He states that Mohler was shocked to learn that the percentage of Americans who identify themselves as Christians has declined 10% in the past 20 years with rising numbers in New England, a regions he believed to be the bedrock of Christian religious faith in the USA. (2) Meanwhile, the percentage of Muslims is rising now up to .6% in the US. Though, so is the number of agnostics and atheists. (3) Meacham however asserts, despite the sensationalistic headline he likely didn't write, that there has been a simultaneous rise in Evangelical Christians he suggests is a political rather as faith choice. He notes several very interesting statistics from a Newsweek poll all of which show a decline in the relevance of religion in American culture especially when it comes to being able to solve the nations woes. (4) Most interestingly, he concludes his narrative with a lengthy assertion that religions are historically more powerful when they steer far from government and politics citing countless examples of scripture that support the notion that faith transcends local government, ironically, a construct in the Qur'an that suggests that if all people follow the holy word of God and God's law, there will be no need for governments and human kind will share the world.

In any case, it is important for Christians in the USA to realize that their political positions are waning in relevance. Their adherence to anti-homosexual positions are degrading the good they could do as it has been demonstrated time and again by unbiased sources who evaluate the scripture that the evidence against homosexuality is far less secure than that against the perfectly common cause of divorce. Newsweek Magazine, coincidentally, covered this same topic in a now famous issue where a panel of scholars eventually concluded this fact. So is their ardent anti-abortion position. Many at RantRave have written eloquently on this topic in particular most concluding that while they don't favor abortion as a solution, until both sides galvanize against the common element of pre-marrital, unprotected intercourse, unwanted pregnancies and abortions will be the outcome. It has to do with getting at the root of the cause instead of trying to clean up the aftermath. The final straw, however, for many leaning Christians has been this inexplicable cause against those who would fight global warming. There has become an unfortunate overlap between the source material for the right and the Evangelical Christians. This is off-putting to young Christians whose science educations might have precluded evolution but certainly did not exclude the green house effect. And it has been pointed out by this writer in the past that it seems incongruous to people who think they know something about Christianity to see these same people then championing anti-global warming effort movements. Do you love the world that God gave you or not?

So, what might replace the "Christian values" that so long ruled our nation? The likely choice isn't Islam (which shares most of the same values), but the Green movement. A growing number of people want to live in harmony with our planet in stead of in spite of it. Most do not believe that the rapture is around the corner so we can do with the planet what we will.

The green lifestyle offers much of the guidance people need, and it's hard to see how on earth it wouldn't be favored by God vs. other movements and religious manifestations. In fact, living green puts one in closer connection to God's world, if you believe in God as the creator. One would think that would be a good thing. And, the beauty of the Green movement is that if you don't believe in God or any religion, you still fit in just fine.
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(1) "The End of Christian America"
http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583
(visit external link one for the full article)
(2,3,4) ibid.


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TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: Well, i think i'll take on the gay thing. I personally do not agree with gay marriage, but barring them from jobs or benefits is unconstitutional. Now, i don't think it is up to the federal government, i would leave it as a state issue. I would not allow legislatures to define gay rights, leave it up to the general voting public.

As for Christianity declining, they were the tool of their own demise. Religion has no place in government, but the morals many religions instill are embedded into the fabric of our constitution and government policy.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Tom, why should the rights of gay people be decided at the state level? The rights of people of color, differing religions, and gender are all defined at the Federal level. We tried the state thing with color and it brought us generations of discrimination and still would be legal as near as I can ascertain in the south.

Also, I am confused when you say, "I would not allow legislatures to define gay rights, leave it up to the general voting public." If you mean like Prop 8 in CA, I need not remind you that it is the exception, not the rule that states allow voters to vote on specific initiatives, and most of us who live in such states, like Colorado is one, often wish we didn't have this right. Sometimes, you'd like your elected officials to do their jobs. In any case, in a representative government, I'd assume that the elected officials are voting for the general public. My prediction is that in your lifetime if not mine, the rights of Gay people will be defined at the federal level, and either they will be allowed to marry, or the concept of marriage will be striped from federal language and replaces with the term civil union regardless of the gender of the people. The ceremonial and religious construct that people equate with their little, ideal, dream land version of marriage is an outdated construct they can try to cling to just like they can try to pretend that more than half dissolve leaving kids in a broken home. But, for the government's purposes of conferring legal rights onto spouses that's something that must be addressed for couple of any make-up.
sunny2
sunny2
13 months ago: Coloranter
PANTHEISM
Pantheism is the view that the Universe (Nature) and God are identical.[1] Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal, anthropomorphic or creator god. The word derives from the Ancient Greek: πᾶν (pan) meaning "all" and θεός (theos) meaning "God". As such, Pantheism denotes the idea that "God" is best seen as a way of relating to the Universe.[2] Although there are divergences within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the sacredness of Nature. (Reference -Wikipedia Dictionary)

38 months ago: Abortion and the Death Penalty. I can't comprehend how these are even equated as the samething. Just incase you don't know. The commandment that everyone thinks holds this view when translated properly does not say "thou shalt not kill". The correct translation is "thou shalt not commit murder". I truley hope you can see a difference. The jury based system is rooted in judeo-christian law. 12 tribes. 12 on a jury. I'll go ahead and say it for you. "Judge not lest you be Judged". If you want to throw that into the mix then we need to abolish all courts and laws because there won't be a grey area. Therefore, we open all prisons and release all prisoners as they have been "Judged". You can't have it both ways for convinence sake.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Let's suppose the 1 in 10 notion of gay people is true. That would make over 30 million gay people. Suppose 20 million of them galvanized to move to Arizona where they would immediately become the majority. And suppose they decided to vote to define marriage as between two men or two women and then to outlaw straight marriage in Arizona. And suppose they won at the ballot box 80% to 20%. Would it make what they've done RIGHT?

I don't think that just because a majority votes a certain way, the outcome is necessarily right. White South Africans repeatedly voted to keep Apartheid in place.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: But, regardless, you and I can agree to disagree on the concept of Gay Marriage. I don't care. I think people of legal age and legal relationship of any gender should be able to get married in the eyes of the law. In the eyes of the church is up to the church. Churches are private institutions and can refuse service to anyone unless their are anti-discrimination laws. In which case, they'd have to allow gay marriages, just like they neither the state laws or churches would allow interracial marriages in most states as few as 60 years ago. Thankfully, we got over that, so did churches, and I think that everyone would get over this gay marriage concept too. The funniest thing about it to me is that people get on such a high horse about something that would likely never directly effect them. If two dudes down the hall from you, roommates, fall for each other; and, three weeks after graduation, move to Des Moines and get married how does that effect you? You might never know about it and never see them again. Does their getting married diminish your marriage to the psych major you met at lunch one day at the Ship? I just don't get what effect it has at all. I just know that people used to think the same thing about interracial marriage and there are still some who don't but that goodness we didn't let those people rule the world.

If Iowans voted to legalize human intercourse with farm animals would it make it right?
sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: I believe that there is never a bed of roses for anyone and never will be. Gay or not Gay. Married or not married. Rich or Poor. Black or White. Disabled or healthy. It's a mixed bag. I believe in laws that keep the peace among the people. I hate war more than anything. I don't believe there will ever be a Utopia for people to smooze around thinking alike. It will never happen. The fight is on for anyone whose thinks differently. Those that have the courage to make a stand will make a difference and change things. It never happens overnight. You mentioned people use to think a certain way about interracial couples. Views have changed a lot but that still isn't perfect today. It is a shame. Nothing is perfect and the way we want it to be. It can't be forced. Life still goes on despite what we want as individuals. We make up the entire matrix and that is why it effects everyone.
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: I have no problem with their rights, i said that. I believe marriage is between an man and a woman. they want rights, give them rights, but don't dare call it marriage.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: CG, in the truest sense of law and justice, aren't we, as God's creations told we are not to judge others? I went to vacation Bible school as a kid and I learned countless stories of Jesus telling us to turn the other cheek. So, yeah, I'm going to say, if we were really all good Christians, we wouldn't need courts and laws and so on. Hallelujah, brother!

But, it is morally inconsistent to support the death penalty but no abortion. Either it's wrong to kill / murder or it's not. You cannot have it both ways, and God never gave over His right to be the judge to human kind. That is one of our ultimate sins.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Tom, but why? Why does it matter so much to you what it's called? I just don't see how it affects you or me at all what it's called. Interracial love used to be called an abomination and the couple could be killed. How is this any different. I don't see it. I want to understand your position, but maybe I just can't.
38 months ago: Colo...I would agree, if we lived in a perfect world. But, we don't and your Bible study should have taught you there is, and will be an ongoing struggle between the Law of God and the lawlessness of satan. That is until it is a perfect world. So, what do we do? Enforce the law or not?
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Yes, Cypress, but it also taught me that man's temptations by Satan will be a struggle, but that only God shall punish or forgive me for my transgressions.

We do not, as you say, live in a perfect world. We also do not live in a world where everyone is equally captivated by Biblical, Qur'anic, or other manifestations of God's law. I am not against our legal system or our issuing of punishments. I assume that God will issue the final ruling in the end. But, I am totally opposed to the death penalty, and I'm sorry but I do find it incongruous for people to be against abortion but in favor of the death penalty. Either we have the right to kill or we don't. By your logic, if 12 doctors all come together to execute the abortion, then it's okay? But, here's the independent in me. I am anti-abortion, but I am pro-people being able to make the decisions themselves, in private, with their doctor and their religious or other counsel. I do not think that the decision can or should be made by an angry mob. I don't think anyone should tell a woman raped a knife point that she has to carry this baby to term. I also think that if both sides of this issue spent their combined resources working to educated young people and support them into lives of abstinence and/or protected intercourse, the number of abortions in our nation would plummet to nil within 5 years.
38 months ago: Colo...Yes we are taught not to judge others as an individual thought. You find a scripture that says anything close to - Courts and Judges in a collective are banned by God. I'd like to read that scripture. On the contrary. God demanded and ordained his followers to uphold his law.

Like I said. No grey area.
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
38 months ago: Cypress, you show me scripture where God says, "Set up courts and tribunals to punish people who violate my law." In the absence of yours or my findings, we have to go back the original intent which was that God would punish us for our sins.

I'm sorry, but there's plenty of gray area. Unfortunately, this gray area arises in the nature of the human mind which is in no way able to comprehend the greatness of God nor the will or intention of God. Therefore, we are not fully capable of doing God's will. We are certainly quite capable of making serious mistakes as was determined by then governor of Illinois, George Ryan who signed an executive order to halt all use of the death penalty in Illinois when it was proven that case after case of persons on death row were able to be exonerated by DNA evidence now available for analysis. These were all people convicted by a jury of 12 and then sentenced to death. Proving ourselves, yet again, imperfect. Should we gamble with a person's life on our imperfections? I think not. Let the person die in jail, rather than be wrongly put to death. I would think, and you might not agree or want to hear this, but I would think that God would have no mercy for people that wrongly put a man to death.
38 months ago: Colo... I truley believe you have a good heart. I want to believe that and I will believe that. I do not Judge you on what I believe to be a misguided approach to this issue. 12 Doctors? Good question!. No, they would not be a good jury (Judge). With that logic/point we should have 12 law enforcement official sit on every jury. That arguement won't hold water.
38 months ago: So just lock them away so they can die in jail. Isn't that also a Death Penalty? I would agree that the Almighty would have no mercy on anyone that wrongly put a person to death. But that would fall not on the jury if they were not given the evidence to rightfully judge.

Your logic would suggest on a grand scale that all executions are wrong. No gray areas right. When was the last time you went to the Doctor and was given anti-biotics? Are not those germs/viruses Gods creations? How about the last time you stepped on a cockroach or killed a fly. Sprayed Round-up on a weed. Is that not where we are heading?
TheLegendTomWing
TheLegendTomWing
 Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
38 months ago: Coloranter, here's why i support the Death Penalty and am also pro life.

IF you murder someone, rape someone, molest a child, you should be put to death.

An unborn child has done nothing to deserve the scorn of the public's eye, or a mother's other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, which is not a crime. Thus, you cannot kill a child who had absolutely no control over the ovulation cycle of the woman or the irresponsibility. the same goes if a woman is raped. Don't punish the child, punish the rapist.
38 months ago: Tom,

Here is the problem. They hold the belief that Humans don't exist until they have the "Breath from God".
They are just jelly until the actual first breath.
That is how they justify abortion.

That "Breath from God", I guess from their side happens at birth. Isn't conception the actual gift from God? It doesn't matter if it was in an alley or the backseat of a pickup. It doesn't matter if it was between consenting parties. It doesn't matter if it was RAPE. If the Almighty wanted that child in this world it was destiny. So why is a fetuis that was conceived in those conditions less than a gift from the Almighty.
sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: Tom and Cypress....Before my baby was born, I knew her. She was real and beautiful, and I could picture her with me and growing up. I believe that says something that they are real enough and part of our lives long before they take their first breath. No one has a right to interrupt that flow of nature and the determination and fight of that child to be born right from the beginning. It doesn't matter how she got here or who I married right or wrong, she was meant to get here and to fulfill her purpose in life.
JaegerBaeger
JaegerBaeger
Williams, OR
38 months ago: I think the government should do Civil Unions for all and stay out of marrying folks, and let the churches do marriages as they believe.

Also I feel Abortion is wrong, though I see it will keep happening until we are more honest about our sexuality.

I also believe that the death penalty is immoral mainly because we make mistakes in the judicial system.

Because we aren't an enlightened society we will keep having both abortion and the death penalty as options. It's harsh.
sunny2
sunny2
13 months ago: Just before 1941 I was told many soldiers in my area went to Maryland to be married. Only record would be in the church because to be valid it had to be registered with the church, they didn't have State marraige licenses until 1941 here.
38 months ago: I love the constant quoting of not "judging others" whenever it comes to justifying something that's wrong. The same Jesus Who said "Judge not, lest you be judged," also made a whip of cords and drove out the moneychangers from the temple.

We can judge an action as being right or wrong. We can't, however, judge the condition of a person's soul (i.e. whether they are saved or damned). If, however, a person is doing something that endangers his or her soul, we have not only the right but the duty before God to say it's wrong.
sunny2
sunny2
13 months ago: Sure, that's why we have a jury of 12 people who decide innocent or guilty in a Court Room.
You said, "I love the constant quoting of not "judging others" whenever it comes to justifying something that's wrong."
But you did. You made that decision that something is wrong. How do you know?
If they break the Laws, they suffer the consequences. I don't remember seeing a Court of Law for the Soul.
37 months ago: Post Points!
sunny2
sunny2
14 months ago: My strongest point is that the baby fights so hard to be born. That says something to preserve its life and not let a bunch of others make a judgment call. It fights like a champion to be part of this World.
Champions don't fall that easily, and fight back to make it here. Abortion says, they can't fight back. They kind of goes against the laws of nature.

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