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Dead Monkey Reaction Post to Siempre

Posted 39 months ago|9 comments|655 views
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Where to start? If there is a ** in front of a sentence it's my thoughts or comments. Everything else is a post by Siempre Solo from this board.
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Can some one please tell me what the heck the New York Post editors were thinking?
** They probably were thinking it's a political cartoon and a very clever one at that. The cartoonist linked two major news stories together to prove his point and make some people laugh and others shake their heads while agreeing.

How in the world can a satirist in the year 2009 draw this kind of cartoon and have it printed.
** It's called Free Speech. Look it up or do you want to take that away as well? Free Speech is not absolute and I agree with your example of a crowded theater but I think that speech that offends people should be protected.

If for no other reason then because it is politically
incorrect it should not have left the editorial desk!

** Politically correct? People need to grow up. Everyone is so scared to offend other people. Here's a news flash folks - life isn't a bed of roses, it's not always easy and nice guys often finish last. If you can't take life, get out. Become a recluse and avoid it. If we as a culture cannot accept all speech then we are completely doomed.

This kind of cartoon is an open threat on the life of the leader of the free world.!

** How do you figure? Honestly, defend that statement? How is this an open threat on the life of the president? Are you smarter than the Secret Service? Don't they investigate ALL threats on the President. If this is truly an open threat then why is the cartoonist not locked up right now? Or are you being emotional and just saying it because you're easily offended and upset?

I don’t want to hear republican, rightwing conservative B.S. about how it was an attempt to describe the ‘monkey business ‘ that was going on in the writing of the stimulus bill or any excuse for that matter. Because you have two white cops with smoking guns having shot dead the monkey that apparently wrote the first stimulus bill.

** That's odd, I saw two cops. I didn't notice they were white. You could draw so many comparisions I don't know where to start. Monkeys are dumb. Monkey was out of control. Congress is dumb to create a bill and not read it. Spending it out of control. etc. etc.

Oh my God! I am so enraged! The president needs to send the secret service down to this poor excuse of a paper and shut them down on the grounds of national security!

** Would you like to burn some books too? I love "Catcher in the Rye" I have a few copies if you need one.


You think that is censorship of speech? Huh? Any one of you dare say that is censorship of speech? Yell fire in a crowded theater see if it doesn’t land you in jail! Draw a picture of yourself shooting down a cop and hand it to a cop!

** My best friend is a cop. Where is the probable cause by handing him a picture of me shooting a cop? Is it a stick figure? Is the sky purple in my drawing. Once again, emotional and ridiculous.

See if it doesn’t land you in jail.

** What's the charge?

Every time I turn around. Some white person (yes I said it!) tells me that black people need to forget the past. That black people are the cause of their own problems.

** Huh? Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. So regardless of color are most people problems a result of someone else? Point 1 finger and there are 3 more pointed back at you.

Is that where white people think all black people live? Where ever there is problems. No white’s have ever robbed anyone right? There is no Russian mafia. There is no Italian mobsters. No Irish have ever committed crimes! It is only blacks!

** Who said that?

Do you know who is most likely to get gunned down before the age of eighteen of all ethnic groups in America? African American young men! By the hands of cops. By the hands of other young black male.

** Reference please or is this once again emotional opinion?

By their own hands because of suicide by the hands of whites. No matter what is wrong with society. The first person to be blamed is a young black man.

** Huh?

Is no one out there upset? Do you think that it does not effect you? We are not a white America and a black America.

** Where did Obama go to church for 20+ years? Defend that.

We are not a red America and a blue America. We are not a rich America and a poor America.

** Actually we are. There are social classes in our world, not just our country, the world. You cannot change that.

Where do you think you can run and hide? If black people suffer it is a white problem. If White people suffer it is a black problem!

** Give me an example - problems are problems.

Rich republicans should know that they are democrats too! The rich have to support their children no? Do children have their own jobs? Children are welfare cases. They depend on the adults.

** If I have a child that is 12 years old and doesn't work they are on welfare - ah, I see your example but I disagree.

The poor and disenfranchised are just like children that need guidance and help. Nobody wants to be unemployed. Every one wants to work. They just don’t want to be working poor.

** Everyone wants to work? Bull. I don't want to work but I do. Why do the poor and disenfranchised need guidance and help. Someone that is poor is as helpless as a child. My mother is a perfect example and that's for another post. Try going up on a dirt floor. To some today "poor may mean basic cable only.

Do you think every black person is poor? How many of your white friends are multi millionaires. The rich no matter black or white have responsibilities to the whole of society. No one is immune!

** Completely false. I have a responsibility to myself. No one owes me anything. What entitles you or anyone else to a good living. Work for it. Grab a box of tissues 'cause heres the skinny - in this world there are winners and losers. The world needs both.

Stop blaming black people. Stop this type of caricature of your fellow Americans. Don’t say it is not me. I don’t do stuff like that! Be brave stand up for your fellow Americans and say enough is enough!

** Stand up for yourselves - I can't hold your hand for you.

Don’t count your political correctness by the amount of black friends you claim to have. Count yourself among the disenfranchised by getting down in the muck and getting down and dirty! Don’t ask to be applauded for your brave work of race relations. Do right for the sake of doing right and let that be it!

** Am I a bad person if I don't give money to the poor? Am I required to work on race relations. Why do we all have to get along? Down and dirty? Why should I work 80+ hours a week and then hand off my paycheck to someone else while that person did nothing. Explain that to me. Honestly, explain why I have to work for those that don't want to work. Explain it. Please.
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39 months ago: Are you seriously trying to tell me that race or income is an excuse for where people fall in society? Honestly? And how can you say that no one is asking for my paycheck, I beg to differ. You actually posted something I agree with about large corporations. Technically aren't they getting a piece of me right now?

"So while it seems that you are perfectly okay with people exercising their freedom of speech to insult, demean and most possibly threaten our national leaders, It doesn’t seem that you’re willing to extend that same right towards an anonymous Ranter on a fairly small website."

You've got to be kidding. This cartoon wasn't even aimed at Obama (some will argue differently) and now you can't criticize him. Anti leader? Where have you been for 8 years. I am in Colorado and very close to Boulder. What should they have done about the "Kill Bush" shirts I saw?
39 months ago: Also - where have I stifled your right to rant on this "fairly small website" - rant away, I'll rant back.

Of course I don't need footnotes but you stated something as fact, or at least implied it (crime statistics)
Coloranter Raver
Coloranter Raver
Denver, CO
39 months ago: Just my opinion, no footnote here, that Siempre's visceral reaction and original concept are intact. He doesn't need to footnote common knowledge. It can be denied, but the facts are the facts.

You'll lose any argument you raise the moment you say something like "Politically correct? People need to grow up."

Political correctness is a choice, plain and simple, that people of good conscience make. A vow, if you will, that one will not intentionally set out to hurt the feelings of others by relying on antiquated stereotypes or out of ignorance.

It should concern every person who rants and raves here if Political Correctness isn't the order of the day for it helps ensures a safe and respectful environment.
39 months ago: Siempre Solo

Political Correctness was created for the simple point of not "hurting anyone's feelings". AS I would love to believe racism is gone, this cartoon brings it back up. It brings it back up because it shows how sensitive people really are. How ignorant they can be. How racist THEY really are. The people who actually believe this is pointed at Obama and actually pay attention to the color of the cops skin are the Racists in my eyes. I'm sick and tired of reverse discrimination. That's right I said it. REVERSE DISCRIMINATION! It's still discrimination. If you want to play that game, I'll play it back and I'll win.

You can't actually say people haven't gotten too sensitive when they are picking a fight over NOTHING! There was no harm in that cartoon, except for maybe at Bush but wait He's white so I guess we have to bend over and take it because we are white? BS!

It's still discrimination. While I do appreciate that you are 100% equal to me in rights and freedom of speech, I ask politely now, stop being discriminatory yourself. If you claim to be politically correct because your one of the few who choose to make that vow "out of good conscience" then take a step back and realize that what you rant about are points of your opinions. You've admitted to being slightly racist yourself by making the points the way you have.

I don't hold it against anyone just get off the soap box, go help a homeless person or family.

Do something else besides notice the cops were white.

Do something besides think that because it's a monkey and "historically" monkies may have been used as a term to describe African Americans; IT WASN'T USED TO DESCRIBE ONE HERE OR TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT OBAMA OR TO SAY "SOMEONE SHOULD ASSASINATE HIM"!!!

Keep it in mind that next time you notice these things, your the ignorant racist and yes, I do have many black friends.
39 months ago: Guess what we ALL agree on this point. They listen to my side and I listen to theirs. Believe it or not they do agree with me and I do agree with them. Everyone isn't so narrow minded nor over sensitive. Those who don't realize we live in a world where in reality and in a split second your life can be over because someone's getting initiated into a gang, or they want your shoes or car, hit by a bus, have a heart attack, etc and want this reality sugar coated are asking for the impossible.
They are also making me curb my freedoms to do so. BS!

Dinosaurs weren't warned. Nope they sure won't. That's a fact! Good lord, the same thing can happen to us?

Oh My Freakin God!

Yes! It sure as hell can and at any time!


I simply won't help people who won't help themselves. I don't care about color or religion but the rest of the world sure as hell does.


Do we accuse China of being racist because some of their family structure stricly prohibits interracial breeding. No, should we. Not really. Who are we to tell them who they are as a society or a people. They need to decide just like we do. I decide against racism of all kinds.

If we can't say the N word you can't either. If we can't use a racial slur you can't either. 100% equal and fair? No, I think not. Basically breaks down to the group that makes the most noise gets the preferred treatment. Is that equal? No and our country is founded on this.

I served in the military just like every first born male in my family did because I was proud of what they built or helped build. Guess what, so did african americans. I didn't hear them screaming this garbage in the service and I don't care if you want to go ahead.

Just realize your the ignorant one.

I don't support anyone that groups together for the power of a specific race or religion. We all can exist here just get over yourself.

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