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Crosby Stills Nash and Young: Great or Grating?

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We had rain and slush all morning. It's no weather to ride a motorcycle, but I did anyhow. I was chilly and annoyed when I was driving the van for my work. Crosby Stills Nash and Young came on the radio, and reminded me of all the garbage from the 60's that is best forgotten. It's amazing how such inane lyrics climbed the charts so many times.

"If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."

Did you ever listen to the lyrics to that song?

"Don't be angry, don't be sad,
Don't sit cryin' over good things you've had,
There's a girl right next to you
And she's just waiting for something you do.
Well, there's a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can't be with the one you love
Love the one you're with
Love the one you're with
Turn your heartache right into joy
She's a girl, you're a boy,
Get it together make it nice
Ain't gonna need anymore advice."

That sounds about as romantic as breeding gerbils. I wonder if they pipe that song in down at the VD clinic. Songs like that are the reason I listen to the lyrics before I let myself get hooked on a song.

How about "Teach Your Children Well." Here are some lyrics.


"Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by,
And feed them on your dreams
The one they picked, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you would cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by,
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die."

I tried to make translate the lyrics. The best I could come up with is as follows

"If your parents smoke up every day, they''ll be too blitzed to care about whether your coming or going, but what the hell, you meet a lot of interesting people in the homeless shelter. Ain't life wonderful when your account is maxed out at the bodega, but yo mamma pays for the dope you buy on account from your dealer shoo wap de wap smoke up yeah ......"

The one that really gets me going is "Four Dead In Ohio." Check out these brain dead lyrics.


"Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'.
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drummin'.
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it.
Soldiers are gunning us down.
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her and
Found her dead on the ground?
How can you run when you know?"


"Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming". What the hell does that mean? How many spliffs did dou have to fire up to come up with that?" There was some classic anti Nixon humour back then. David Frye used to do classic Nixon impersonations. Then there was the Smothers Brothers. But "Four Dead in Ohio" is what comes out when your mouth is in "drive" and your brain is in "park".

The best song that ever came out of Crosby Stills Nash and Young was not even written by them. "Sweet Home Alabama" was written by Lynyrd Skynerd as an answer to that sanctimonious song "Southern Man" by Neil Young that makes Neil Young sound like he has vocal cords in his nostrils. Those lyrics cut right to the chase. Consider the following.


"Big wheels keep on turning
Carry me home to see my kin
Singing songs about the Southland
I miss Alabamy once again
And I think its a sin, yes

Well I heard mister Young sing about her
Well, I heard ole Neil put her down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern man don't need him around anyhow ."


A friend of mine moved up north from Alabama around the time of the civil rights movement. He ended up in a school with a large percentage of African Americans. He ended up getting beaten up just about every day by African American kids who assumed he was racist. I haven't found any Neil Young songs that deal condemn that kind of racism.

There is one Crosby Stills Nash and Young song that I get a chuckle out of. We used to have a couple of cats camping out on our front steps. They would leave the stench of cat urin as a reminder of their presence as well as singing the feline version of "Love the One You're With." One of my kids complained about the smell. I started singing, "Our House is a ver very very fine house. With two cats in the yard. Life used to be so hard."....

I don't know why, but none of my kids like Crosby Stills Nash and Young." Maybe I should sing their songs more often.

And while we're at it, what kind of name is Crosby Stills Nash and Young anyhow? It sounds like the law firm you call when you get busted for possession.

"Hello . Crosby Stills Nash and Young. good afternoon." If you are a defendant, press #1. If You are currently in custody, press #2."

There are a couple of good CSNY songs, although none come to mind right now. I used to like "Sugar Mountain", although now it just makes me fall asleep.

There has to be a list of the most annoying songs ever composed. "Take Me Out To the Ball Game is right up there in the top ten Mairzy Doats (Mares Eat Oats) was a hit back in the 1940's. It annoys me every time I hear it. The lyrics have no discernible meaning whatsoever. Kind of like a lot of Crosby Stills Nash and Young.


Reprinted with permission from Rudistettner.com

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Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
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23 months ago: Here are some "missing links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EqF7p7a...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwS38YH1...

That's Four Dead in Ohio and Southern Man


Chris D
Chris D
Seattle, WA
23 months ago: Woah, woah, Rudi! I disagree, Sir! I grew up listening to CSNY, along with America, Kansas, and Pink Floyd.

"Southern Man" is a great song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJwS38YH1...
23 months ago: Souther Man is a spoof and you know it. Not surprising coming from people that bar-b-que using a convection oven.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
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Puyallup, WA
23 months ago:
Umm... What?

What is it a spoof on?
23 months ago: Yeah, Yeah. Southern Man.

Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

I saw cotton
and I saw black
Tall white mansions
and little shacks.
Southern man
when will you
pay them back?
I heard screamin'
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

Southern man
better keep your head
Don't forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

Lily Belle,
your hair is golden brown
I've seen your black man
comin' round
Swear by God
I'm gonna cut him down!
I heard screamin'
and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?

Pretty much places everyone in the south in the KKK. But, you non-southerners wouldn't see it that way.

Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

Southern man
when will you
pay them back?

Southern man
better keep your head

Swear by God
I'm gonna cut him down!

Sounds pretty anti-southern to me.
23 months ago: The spoof was on southern white democrats with political power as opposed to no perceived power by northern black republicans.

The lyrics of "Southern Man" are vivid, describing the racism towards blacks in the American South. In the song, Young tells the story of a Southern man (symbolically the entire South) and how he mistreated his slaves.

What is sad is that there is more racisim in the north than in the south. You people just are afraid to admit it.

Figure that one out.
23 months ago: Name one southern city that is segregated like todays
Detroit, Chicago, Washington D.C.

What? Your going to say Atlanta?
23 months ago: Try this little test.

Walk out of your front door and down to the end of your driveway.
Look to the left and count the number of houses before you see a Black, Hispanic, Asian or other minority. Then, look to your right and do the same.

Really want to say it is not a Northern spoof after that little test?

My left, next door for 8 years.
My right, two doors down for 10 years.

Why am I living in such proximity of those hated by the ''Southern Man''?

I could always move. It is my free choice. I can afford it. What is holding me back? Southern Man?
Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
23 months ago: That's my point. The South gets pilloried for racism when racism is alive and well up north Look at the Draft Riots of 1863 in which white mobs attacked and killed balcks. What about riots in cities across the country in which white businesses were burned out in what were effectively anti white pogroms. I don't consider music that points at the other guy to be brave social criticism. Look at home first. Musically I don't fault CSNY. I just question the value of their lyrics. I expect to get my @$$ kicked to the curb for trashing a cultural icon, but I'm standing my ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1...
23 months ago: Not to worry Rudi. There will be two of us bleeding on the curb. I have your back buddy. Your the only one from north of the 'Mason Dixon' line that has the guts to call it. I respect you for that. I do not respect anyone that hides behind the mammie's tales. These people want growth? Yeah. Like Rudi said. Start at home.
23 months ago: Alex, did that answer your question?
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
23 months ago: I guess. I just didn't know what you meant by spoof. I thought maybe they ripped off a Weird Al song, or something.
23 months ago: Stills wrote Love the One You're With, for Crosby. Crosby's lover had been killed in a van accident while taking their dog to the vet's. It is a little less stupid, and a little more kind, when viewed in that light....the separation from the one you love being permanent, and involuntary.
23 months ago: Tin Soldiers and Nixon coming....Nixon had authorized the National Guard to fire on civilians if they were protesting....it was actually condoned murder in today's terms.
Maybe not the greatest poetry, but at the time, he was telling it like it was happening.
If you were at Kent State, that song is more like a news report, than a pipe dream.

I'm not saying these songs are some of their better stuff.
I much prefer Lady of the Island, or Find the Cost of Freedom.

Even I am boggled by tunes like Long May You Run, a totally sincere love song to a car. Almost Cut My Hair, what a melodrama for nothing.
They had their moments. Harmony was never the same since. Some fine guitar playing out of Stills. Nobody communicates a broken heart quite as clearly as he does, especially on the demos, when it is just him alone with a guitar, as on Just Roll Tape.
23 months ago: Isn't it just a tad bit strange when referring to Tin Soildiers and Nixon? Even with Kent State. Is that a reference that implies Nixon called the Guard? Is that a message that implies Nixon was a warmonger?

Who was President when we pulled out of 'NAM? Who was the President that brought the ''Tin Soldiers'' home?

Was it L.B.J.?
23 months ago: No, it's historical fact that Nixon authorized the National Guard troops to kill demonstrators. Young was just making it song imagery when he called them tin soldiers, like they weren't real Army.
Nixon got re-elected, and was president when the US pulled out of Vietnam. LBJ chose not to run, he was so unpopular because of the deepening war, and greater lying of the government to justify the war. He would never have been reelected. Nixon ran as a hardliner, and won. It was during his second term that he stopped the war, in 1975.
Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
23 months ago: That bit of background to "Love the One Your With" is interesting, Mandoman. But the song is almost always internalised in a different spirit than that in which it was created. I need some more convincing before I will believe that Nixon gave the order to fire at Kent State.
It's good to see you outside the circumcision string. There is no truth to the rumour that free pencil sharpeners will be passed out to the participants in the great circumcision debate.
23 months ago: Bayonets, bullets and blood.

Our young people were shot down by our own government at Kent State. This government by its own actions almost created the "revolution" it was supposedly trying to put down.

Neal Young's song hit the nail on the head. Nixon was a criminal and still got off easy.
23 months ago: That's the absolute truth.
Sickening to order Americans to fire on Americans over freedom of speech. Tiennamen Square on our soil.
Nixon was the most un-American man I can think of. Criminal in more ways than could be counted.
Odd that a Canadian (Young) was one of the few to call him on it. Might have had something to do with him getting his front teeth bashed out by police, in a peaceful protest in California, which Stills obliquely described in For What It's Worth.
23 months ago: With all due respect Rudi, before you criticize learn the facts. Seems you have a lot of time be disrespectful try saying something nice!
23 months ago: I like music, all kinds, sometimes it tells a story and sometimes it just expresses emotion. Other times it is very clear and other times it must be studied to get the meaning. The pleasenter to the ear, the more popular it will be.

We are learning, sometimes we make mistakes, sometimes we get it right, but all in all, we are learning.
Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
23 months ago: Nixon was a deeply flawed individual who tarnished what could have been a great legacy with his paranoia. There are serious inequities in our country as well as human rights violations. Who ever speaks of the killing of 6 African American men in Augusta Georgia on May 11, 1970? There was a definite disparity in the treatment those killings received in the media and the treatment received ofKent State.

http://socyberty.com/history/augusta-geo...

What about Stephen Donaldson, who was arrested in an antiwar demonstration in Washington DC. He chose prison over paying a ten dollar fine. He was set up by the warden to be orally and anally gang raped in prison, an ordeal that put him in the hospital for weeks and caused his death of AIDS in 1990.

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Donny:th...

Did Nixon call the shots in Georgia or the Washington jail? Do you think the "oppressed" individuals who gang raped Stephen Donaldson saw him as anything more than a piece of white meat?

I am interested in a picture of America's ills that is a little more complex than an episode of Batman, with a single bad guy like the Joker or the Riddler plunging Gotham City into chaos.

The CSNY version of reality and that version of reality in which Nixon is some sort of demon does not resonate with me. It's great music. A measure of just how great it is as music is that it gives wings to ideas that just don't fly
Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
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Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
23 months ago: I accidentally doubled the last comment. Which is why I deleted it
23 months ago: How do you feel about Bob Dylan's Hurricane, the story of Ruben Carter?
I cry every time I hear the line "Don't it make you feel ashamed to live in a land where justice is a game?"
Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
23 months ago: Without commenting on that particular case, the line is G-d's honest truth. It's scary how justice is truly a game
23 months ago: So it's only the minorities that are persecuted? You really need to have lived the late 60's and early 70's in a ethinc community. Needless to say and sadly so most still promote that hate to this day. I'm not talking KKK.

You children need to stop reading books and walk down a street in the most anti-your race neighborhood. I bet you wouldn't make it 10 feet. Unlike Rudi and myself. We have lived it. Don't punk me you pinkies.

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