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Cop Brandishes Gun at Snowball Fight

Posted 29 months ago|19 comments|1,783 views
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markbyrn
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Detective Baylor, a 25 year Washington DC police officer is now on desk duty for doing exactly that. During a snowball fight that was organized by a social networking group, Baylor draws his weapon after snowballs hit his personal car. The linked video captures the action and at one point, the crowd beings to chant, "Don't bring a gun to a snowball fight!"

Call me stupid, but I think it would be the other way around and if the cop actually flipped out and fired off some heat, you better be packing more then ice.
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scotmanster
scotmanster
29 months ago: This is crazy stuff.
29 months ago: Materialism that can lead to manslaughter.

Snowball + Hummer = Police shooting civilian?

I remember a few years back in Washington Heights, New York. A kid hit a police car with a football and was consequently choked to death.

Police can be your best friend or your worst enemy.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
29 months ago: The cops act above the law and think that they are the law.

IF YOU THINK THAT THIS IS NOT A TRUE STATEMENT, THEN YOU ARE LIVING IN ANOTHER WORLD.

These typical over-reactions of cops, is no surprise to any one.

But we need to carry more cameras with us and help others in need, when we or they face crazy cops or corrupt cops.

We need to protest until they are fired and/or placed in jail. Or placed in nut houses.

Not just suspended with pay. that is just rewarding them for violating our rights.

Bad or crazy cops must be taken off our tax dollars and locked up with criminals.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
29 months ago: Unfortunately this is the mindset of the NRA, the military, the police, and those who think that everyone should be toting guns in schools, churches, and bars. It is called Chicago rules. If someone wants to fight, pull a knife, if someone pulls a knife, pull a gun, if someone bombs Israel, Nuke Em.
Does might always make right?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
29 months ago: ...Does might always make right?...

No but it makes you alive vice dead.
29 months ago: Al, Might has to be balanced with purpose. I have no problem with people toting guns.

"When guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns" is a way of making all who will stand up for their right to protect themselves, criminals.

The cop needs to be deskbound for drawing his gun over a snowball; the citizens who upset him need to be educated in the proper treatment of other people and their property.

Don’t underestimate the damage that can be done by a snowball to a person or a vehicle and when a person is not part of the fun and games and gets hit with a snowball, that person has a right to respond, not with deadly force, but from watching the video, I’d say that the crowd didn’t care that they had attacked an unwilling bystander, one that was probably driving down the street and got a snowball in the side of the head (looks like snow in his left ear) and if you think about it, that is not a very safe way to have fun.

Singapore comes to mind, maybe more caning for people with no respect for others property.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
29 months ago: I don't see how the NRA has ever championed this policy of over-reaction.

lawful Gun owners have the best record of respecting the laws, and that includes a record cleaner than the cops themselves.

They don't want guns in schools or bars or churches. I don't belong to the NRA, but I know their policy.

And it is not anywhere as wild as you claim they are.

Over-reaction is a mental and emotional condition, and it has nothing to do with the club you belong to.

The others such as the police have a high record of over reaction.

Just touch a cop with your finger and he will accuse you of assault.

Look at him the wrong way and you will be arrested.

They protect each other when they commit criminal acts and will beat you to death, if you say anything to them or accuse them of over-reaction.

You will be the one accused of over-reaction.

Tell me if this is not true.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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29 months ago: TRBH, sometimes you make sense. Now if you would learn how to not write in bullets your missives wouldn't take up so much screen space.
scotmanster
scotmanster
29 months ago: I am a lifetime member of the NRA. The NRA does not promote rash reactions with using your guns. Yes they promote self defense if someone is trying to kill you. But a cop brandishing his gun because a kid threw a snow ball at his vehicle? Get real. Ludicrous at best to say the NRA supports these types of over reactions.
Ashaman
Ashaman
Champlain, NY
29 months ago: I also am alife member of the NRA and a law enforcement officer with 25 years of experience. This isn't a gun debate. It is a situation where a law enforcement officer exceeded his authority and endangered the public by his actions.

What if someone or even several someones had thrown another snowball or snowballs while he was on his rampage, this idiot might have decided to start shooting.

I praise the people in the crowd who acted with restraint and hopefully made the detective feel very foolish as they chanted their now famous battle cry of "You don't bring a gun to a snowball fight!"

I also praise the officers who responded to the scene and with calm cool deliberation intervened to quietly resolve the issue.

Those of you branding all law enforcement officers as being cut from the same cloth as the detective in question are doing all of the hardworking and rational men and women in the law enforcement community a great disservice.

It appears that the detective has been put on "non-contact" duty, in other words, "here is your desk, there is the phone, there is your wastebasket, DON'T USE THE PHONE!"

I sincerely hope that this officer at the very least is required to issue a very public apology and is given the "opportunity" of "early retirement". What I would truly like to see is that after apologizing in a very public way, the officer is fired, loses his pension, and faces felony criminal charges without any support from the union or the D.C. Police.

Just a dumb old street cop's take on the situation. Thanks for listening.

29 months ago: Ashaman, most of what you said is sensible and I can agree with it. When you start calling for the loss of his pension I think you stepped over a line. He may have been a loyal and hard working cop up till this incident and to take away everything he has worked for is going a bit to far. Many times the person who is punished in this way isn't the one hurt the most. There could be a family that depends on his income from a paycheck or pension and to take that away for a stupid act or even a felony that the rest of his family had no part in is just cruel.

Punish him yes, not his family.
Ashaman
Ashaman
Champlain, NY
29 months ago: sixholdens,

I understand what you say about the family suffering if he loses his pension, but I'd like to point out that loss of pension is pretty much the norm for somebody forcibly removed from a position such as his.

In the military a Dishonorable Discharge means loss of all benefits including pension. If this officer is fired, which would be the equivalent of a Dishonorable Discharge, he would not be allowed to retire and would therefore lose his pension.

A few years ago a high ranking individual within my own agency (a Federal Law Enforcement Agency) decided to steal nearly $100,000 in cash out of the evidence room. The money was later found hidden in his attic. His excuse was that he was trying to demonstrate how lax the security was in his office. This was something that was not within his authority but falls to Internal Affairs.

This individual was fired, which meant he was not allowed to retire and collect a pension and he was charged criminally, and his stupidity didn't involve a risk to public safety.

So how much more severe should the penalty be for someone whose actions endanger the public that they have sworn "To Protect and Serve"?

Comments anyone?

Thanks for listening.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
29 months ago: ASHAMAN

It is true and most people believe that cops do cover up crimes of their brother cops.

I consider that a crime, to hide a felony from being known. It is called MISPRISON OF FELONY.

So when cops steal, kill, or commit crimes that they would hang us for.

I also consider that treason to the American people.

Yes I agree that the majority of cops are not insane or bad. But yes I agree that the majority of cops adhere to this policy of defending their criminal and/or crazy brothers.

That is why many nationalities and races don't trust cops.

These are facts of life. Many cops are bad and they are protected by the good cops. When they should get rid of him fast. Therefore by protecting, they too become insane and criminals.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
29 months ago: I don't think most cops are bad. I think most of them are dedicated hard working people who want to protect the people, I also know that most of the people who join the NRA are responsible people and that the NRA has great classes that teach people gun safety and responsibility.
I do think there should be limits, and I think the NRA is irresponsible for opposing almost all limitations on weapons that do not have legitimate hunting or personal safety use.
I think it is irresponsible for the NRA to oppose restrictions on carrying guns in schools, churches, and bars.
We live in a violent society where it is considered acceptable to resolve conflicts through the use of force. That is what caused this incident.
The cop, and society as a whole, needs to take a good course in conflict resolution and anger management.
There are better ways!
scotmanster
scotmanster
29 months ago: The violent society would be curbed if law abiding citizens could carry everywhere. Crime grew rapidly after the gun control laws were instituted here in NY. Crime rates drop when more law abiding citizens own guns. Those are hard statistics. If law abiding citizens could rightfully defend themselves criminals would not try and pull half the crimes they do. In fear of retaliation. The people that suffer the most from these strict gun laws are the victims of crime.
scotmanster
scotmanster
29 months ago: "We live in a violent society where it is considered acceptable to resolve conflicts through the use of force."

That is the way it will be from here intill the human race is no longer around. If you want utopia after this life pray to God.
29 months ago: Ive read some of the comments above, allow me to quote.

"We need to protest until they are fired and/or placed in jail. Or placed in nut houses. Not just suspended with pay. that is just rewarding them for violating our rights."
1) Ok, lets fire and lockup all the cops, that will make this country safe
2) Throwing a snowball at a cop car, then throwing one at him, then harassing him for arresting that one kid is NOT a right good sir.

"I sincerely hope that this officer at the very least is required to issue a very public apology and is given the "opportunity" of "early retirement". What I would truly like to see is that after apologizing in a very public way, the officer is fired, loses his pension, and faces felony criminal charges without any support from the union or the D.C. Police. "
1) Please tell me 1 thing the cop did that was not justified? was it when the cop pulled his gun to HIS SIDE when he had reasonable suspicion to be cautious that the knowingly unstable crowd filled with people calling the cops "pigs" would overreact? Or maybe was it when the cope pulled the one kid from the crowd that was making the most disruption?
2) If people would shed their paper thin skin, and man up a little no apology would be needed. I am sick of demands of public apologies because someone got their "feelings hurt" that my friend is what I like to call life, deal with it.
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All that is left to say is
1) To all conservatives and liberals out there, I highly encourage your feedback on my post
2) To everyone else who will respond with no facts or evidence and just write without thinking, you have the right to do so, though I most likely will not respond to you.

Ok so that is it for me, for now. I would apologize for taking up too much screen space, but it is my right to post my comment, just as it is your right to skip it, and go to the next one.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
29 months ago: US Citizen 50,

Understand your points but the situation here was a plain clothes police officer jumping out of a Hummer with a gun in his hand. If I happened to be a nearby pedestrian, my first thought wouldn't be, "oh that's a cop here to enforce the law"; I'd be thinking it's a nut job with a severe case of road rage.

Even if cop felt the snowball throwers were dangerous, police officers are normally trained to deescalate a violent situation and inappropriately pulling out his gun could have very escalated the situation into a lethal confrontation.

Assuming a long record of good service, I don't think he should be fired but he should be given a mental health evaluation and some level of disciplinary action.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
29 months ago: markbyrn said:

"a plain clothes police officer jumping out of a Hummer with a gun in his hand."

Where did he get the money to own a Hummer?

From what I hear cops don't make enough to afford even the monthly payments.

That in its self is enough reason to investigate this NUT-JOB and find out where he gets the money from.

THE RONBOT HUNTER
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