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Chemtrails - Contrails or Con Job

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Since approximately 1998, thousands of people started noticing airplanes spraying X’s, parallel lines, and grid patterns across our skies. These trails initially look like contrails but actually aren’t. According to the U.S. Air Force, contrails are condensation trails and happen when hot engine exhaust momentarily condenses ice crystals into pencil-thin vapor trails that quickly vanish like the wave behind a boat, very much like your breath when talking outside on a cold winter day. Chemtrails, on the other hand, linger for hours and will spread out to form large areas of “cloud” cover.

There are several theories as to why these operations may be occurring. However, most of the documentation available points to geo-engineering and space weaponry as the reasons that these spray operations are occurring. A concept that keeps popping up in major governmental studies is the idea of spraying aluminum oxide particles into the atmosphere to create a sunscreen.

This concept is exactly what respected scientist Edward Teller, the father of the H-Bomb, called for in 1997 while at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories. In a government sponsored report called Global Warming and Ice Ages, he suggested the scattering of 1 million tons of materials into the atmosphere in order to reflect 1% of incoming sunlight. He states that it would be cheaper to slow global warming through "stratospheric deployment of oxide particulates" than to actually slow down
greenhouse gases connected with fossil-fired energy production.

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Steve Johnson
Steve Johnson
Australia
36 months ago: The Chemtrails are very real. What this article fails to mention is the patterning of such aerosols in the upper atmosphere by obvious " electrical pulses" that manipulate the very shape, form and patterning of the clouds into un-natural patterns in the ionosphere. A relatively new phenomenon and one attributed to "HAARP" experiments that this article quite obviously fails to mention. More details on the East Cost of Australia Chemtrails here: http://www.bluenomore.com/
Steve Johnson
Steve Johnson
Australia
36 months ago: Personally speaking... I think its something to "Shield" the earth from the extra galactic radiation the earth is currently going through as we approach the Milky Way Spiral arm Equatorial region. A region earth inhabits every 52,000 years approx. Earth has been bombarded for the last few years with such radiation, the world leaders have known for decades and are currently preparing for "life underground".
36 months ago: These seeding and shielding processes have been going on for years. Climate change is manmade. But by whom and what? It is also well documented that bunkers for a select few million do exist. That gives a whole new meaning to "The Underground".
36 months ago: Our atmosphere has a certain amount of CO2, thank goodness. Else plants couldn't grow. And a certain amount of O2, thank goodness. Else people couldn't grow. Lately, in recent times, we have helped plants by pushing CO2 into the air. Woot! Plants can grow better now.

So how long has it been? Well, about 650,000 years ago the ratio of CO2, to O2 was the same as it is now. Less than a million years.

And how cold was our planet back then, 650,000 years ago? Well, we didn't have Northern Ice like we do today. So we can expect the Northern Ice cap to melt off. And a lot of the Southern Ice Cap also, but not all of it. Woot! And plants can grow better now!
36 months ago: To suggest climate change is manmade is gobledegoop.
36 months ago: These manmade clouds by our government are a potential cause for warming as they are holding the heat in.
Steve Johnson
Steve Johnson
Australia
36 months ago: Recent scientific studies prove the rest of our solar system is heating up at the same rate as earth.

http://2012redemption.com/2012.html

A recent book released by South Australia Professor Plimer suggests that in fact there are other solar systems in our vicinity heating up at the same rate. What do we share in common>?
1) A star as our central sun.
2) The same trajectory through the milky way arm as we approach galactic equator midpoint in December 2012.

The cycles of climate change are a naturally occurring event, and have been going through these cycles for eons. To suggest they are man-made is nothing more than Al Gore Movie ticket sales bunkum.
36 months ago: Steve:
Please help us up here in the old US of A.
These global warming chicken littles are over the deep end on this man made global warming.
They are about to enact a "cap and trade" scheme to raise taxes.
We're doomed.
36 months ago: I am not referring to Greenhouse gases or carbon related anything as a contributing manmade factor. I am referring to manmade cloud production by our governments as a factor.
Could it be that thet are actually causing some of it for their own reasons?

You don't think cloud cover keeps radiant heat from escaping?

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Man-on-Mars-Global-Warming-on-Mars.aspx

I am also very aware of the relationships of higher solar activity and the documented temperture increases on other planets in our solar system.
Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: Doesn't aluminum poisoning have the same effects as Alzheimer's disease? Dementia? Could it be that the exponential rise in "Alzheimer's disease " over the last ten years is really not that at all, but really aluminum poisoning from the accumulated aluminum nanoparticles in our drinking water and food. I mean the rain must be full of this stuff. Also I read recently in some science magazine that scientists found a correlation between higher rainfall and higher autism rates. What the hell is going on. Desperation breeds disaster. And chemtrails have desperation written all over them.

The other thing that bothers me about this is the contradiction as an American to believe in transparency of government as a means to protect our right in a gov' for the people BY the people, and yet we are completely aware that our government lies to us with impunity and often. How are we to make informed choices at the ballot when we're intentionally left in the dark? MAkes me glad to not to have children. God help us all.
36 months ago:
The entire "chemtrail" theory is based on a false premise-

The "contrails dissipate- chemtrails don't" theme is completely FALSE. Normal contrails can and do persist- for hours and days...and spread and create further cirrus formation. A little research on contrail behavior would enlighten anyone to this fact...and yet no "chemtrail" believer seems to make the effort...sad.

here is some starting points:


http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc%5Fsr/?src=/climate/ipcc/aviation/038.htm

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/

even IF "chemtrails" are real- you cannot tell just by seeing a persistent trail in the sky...To suggest or claim you can is to expose your ignorance.

Persistent contrails have been studied by scientists for over 40 years...Why don't the "chemtrail" devotees acknowledge this???

Ignorance apparently isn't bliss.
Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: Look, persistent contrails are supposed to be a rare occurrence, and yet they seem to be above American skies everyday. Furthermore, contrails shouldn't stop and start again mid-air, the contrail should be a continuous line. Study the skies above you, something is going on.
36 months ago: ...actually- if you review the accumulated science you will learn that conditions for persistent contrails are not that rare- depending on latitude and time of year- it can be as much as 40% of the time- they have studied satellite images from the 70s that showed lengthy periods of ice supersaturation producing large clusters of persistent contrails...

look up: supersaturated persistent contrail for more info.

As for gaps?? that is common sense...the atmosphere is not static...not necessarily uniform across any given altitude...and planes can fly thru pockets of different air resulting in gaps in trails...its not rocket science...but it is contrail science :)

contrails are man made cirrus clouds...cirrus clouds have gaps in them...why?

Again- do the research- learn all there is to know about contrails..and THEN you can claim you know what it is you see in the sky...
Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: My house is covered with windows with open aerial views. Ten years ago I never saw thos sky-writer like planes and now everyday they blanket the sky in different formations and even the sun's rays look different when shining through the stuff they leave behind. Makes the rays look sparkly and the sky even on a somewat clear day has a silver tinge rather than a sky blue color. Something is up.
36 months ago: yes...yes...no one ever saw contrails persist before...except they did...as these photos will attest:

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-photos-through-history/

and this photo from 1983:

http://www.1000plus.com/Imagic/8301sund.htm

and these photos from 1970:

http://contrailscience.com/life-magazine-contrail-photos/

Yes, the sun will look different when shining thru a layer of ice...light gets refracted and sometimes they create halos and sundogs...metal doesn't refract sunlight...ice does.

Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: My eyes tell me a different story. And there's enough info on the web about gov't patents, pentagon reports, and HAARP to show that it's not a natural event we're witnessing, but rather geo-engineering.
36 months ago: well...if your eyes are misinformed...they are bound to tell you an incorrect story...

If you base your theory on ignorance, your conclusions are bound to be wrong.

the simple fact remains that the sight of a persistent trail or multiple trails in the sky is just NOT evidence of anything- based on the scientific precedent of contrail behavior.

Contrails that persist and spread can be a result of normal air traffic and to deny that is to deny reality...

...and the persisting trail is used over and over again as "evidence" of "chemtrails" when in fact it is a known result of normal air traffic.

"chemtrails" are based on a false premise.

Do not take my word for it...do the research yourself. Try NOT googling "chemtrails" for a change...and google "contrail cirrus" or "supersaturated persistent contrail".

There is a reason why not a single atmospheric scientist..anywhere in the World...pays any credence to the "chemtrail" theory...

Why do you think that is?
36 months ago: no offense- I but I trust 50 years of accumulated, peer-reviewed science from atmospheric scientists from around the World more than I trust your eyes...sorry.

You clearly do not want to hear/read anything that is contrary to your belief...but...I encourage you to do the research.
Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: Persisistent contrails shouldn't take place almost everyday in every season. Does Brita filter out aluminum and barium?
36 months ago: Also- that photo posted on the top of this page of a supposed "spray" plane??

...is simply a Boeing test plane- the barrels are filled with water for ballast- see here for details:

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-or-chemtrail/
Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: Look if it saves the polar bears, I'm all for it, but the public should be informed and precautions should be taken. Is'nt it bad enough we polluted the world's fish wth mercury by coal mountain top blasting and now aluminum and barium in our water too? It reminds me of the time when christie whitmann lied about wtc air safety after 9/11. She knowingly lied and allowed thousands of nyc residents, workers, and volunteers to get sick with mesothelioma, abestosis, and all kinds of other respiratory diseases. And she did it with impunity. Now, does Brita filter out aluminum and barium?
36 months ago: can you source a single sample of a contrail taken in situ- directly from the plume- that contains Anything that would not be expected to be found in jet exhaust??? Any??

No- you cannot.

Taking soil or water samples and speculating that the contents are from contrails is not a definitive answer to anything but instead entirely speculative with an extremely low probability of being accurate due to the high probability of the contents coming from more direct sources.

Suggesting your current state of health is due to trails in the sky above is an extremely speculative diagnosis with no real precedent and has a very low probability of being accurate considering the high probability of more direct sources of any specific ailment.

If you were smart- you would research Fall rates and dispersal theory such that you would understand that "spraying" something 7-10 miles above you is a highly ineffective way method of dispersal and the particulate matter would not fall on you below- but instead drif for 100s and 1000s of miles before- if ever- reaching the ground.

All the "samples" taken and "tested" have been found to be frauds:

http://contrailscience.com/barium-chemtrails/

Not a single piece of evidence of "chemtrails" holds up to any scientific scrutiny.

"chemtrails" are a figment of the internet's imagination.

Don't take my word for it...DO THE RESEARCH.
Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: persistent conrails almost EVERYDAY of the ENTIRE YEAR? Normal? I don't think so. Or does PUR do a better job getting the crap out of the water? I have two aunts with "alzheimer'" and no one in my family has had ever had that before. And now my grandmother I showing signs. All of a sudden there's "Alzheimer's" in almost everyone's family whom I know.
36 months ago: Why don't you think so?? Are you an atmospheric scientist? or is it that the "chemtrail" websites told you so??

Well- I guess that is "proof" - you are right- "chemtrails" are real...I guess you know more than atmospheric scientist...

Good luck with that.

(you will not research anything I suggested - will you?? Just wallow in your ignorance and fear...so sad.)
36 months ago: Man! I have been out of the office too long.

What have you read this study? Lot's of hidden meanings, truths and half truths.

You can find it posted on

http://www.climatescience.gov

If you don't think it is official.

Atmospheric Aerosol Properties and Climate Impacts
Final Report, Synthesis and Assessment Product 2.3

http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap2-3/sap2-3-final-report-all.pdf
36 months ago: yes...I have read it...it is a report about the impact of aerosols on the atmosphere...aerosols that are already there...and put there via nature and pollution...

It says nothing of a clandestine, global campaign of depositing (insert chemical of your choice) via persistent contrails...
36 months ago: Cool then. Your a smart guy. Lets say your a junior Einstein. You have found the fix-all that will save mankind. OK? You have the fix-all. It's all on paper and all of your peers agree with your conculsions in theory. In fact the whole world agrees with your theory. Your junior Einstein.

How do you test it?
36 months ago: I am not that smart. Just a diligent researcher.

...I am unsure what your "scenario" has to do with people being ignorant of the fact that contrails can and often do persist...and spread...and then mistaking them for "chemtrails".
36 months ago: I wasn't insulting you..I was asking you to take a leap of faith and assume a position.

To test your theory ( http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap2-3/sap2-3-final-report-all.pdf ) you will need controls. Controls are knowing the benchmarks (beginning of test) and injecting your control test subject into the benchmark.

So, you have developed a ground based (looking up) and a satellite based (looking down) system to measure and detect aerosols.

How do you test the system without having a known, controlled amount of something injected between the two to see if you test/theory is correct?
36 months ago: ..I am unsure what your "scenario" has to do with people being ignorant of the fact that contrails can and often do persist...and spread...and then mistaking them for "chemtrails".
Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: this was interesting, a local nbc report on gov't aerosol spraying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNDMJCTFslw&feature=PlayList&p=B9660546224EE919&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=37
36 months ago: Unsure? It was pretty clear. Sorry to say this but with all of your telling everyone else to look and feel your side without looking into the mindset of the other side only discounts all of your earlier comments.
36 months ago: Why would that Doc in the video not say he thought they were contrails? He is government paid.
36 months ago: All I ask is that you look at the facts...not "feel" anything...

The channel 4 report is classic!! Notice how the lady says "contrails dissipate...chemtrails don't" She is either lying or ignorant...which one is it?

Rosalind Peterson "samples" are not from contrails...go figure..
36 months ago: of course, just dismiss him as a gov't shill when he doesn't confirm your belief- classic avoidance...

Every atmospheric scientist around the World says the same thing...moreover, they have been saying it for over 40 years...

Can you point to ONE atmospheric scientist who says that contrails cannot persist, spread and cover the sky in a have of cirrus cloud??

Please- learn for yourself all there is to know about contrail behavior...and THEN you can make pronouncements about what you think you see in the sky...

until then you are just another dude on the internet....
36 months ago: Still discounted until you answer the above questions.
36 months ago: sure thing Skippy- see here for my answer:

http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc%5Fsr/?src=/climate/ipcc/aviation/038.htm

and here:

http://contrailscience.com/contrail-gaps-and-other-questions/
36 months ago: Your Einstein... remember? Enlighten us and answer the freaking questions.
Jesus1225
Jesus1225
Seattle, WA
36 months ago: Oh please, even you said persistent contrails can happen up to 40 percent of the time. Well, there happening much more than that. You're probably part of some gov't psy-ops program and if you are, you're hurting people. The aluminum is causing dementia. People should not be drinking unfiltered water.
36 months ago: yes, I am a paid government shill-- part of a "psy-ops" program....your tax dollars at work- Thank you!!!
36 months ago: That answer rules! I have not been called "Skippy" for the last 40 years. That was truly an awesome rebuttal. But, YOU never answered the questions. How do yo test your theory and equipment without injecting a known control between your test equipment? Are you that daft? Answer the freaking questions in your own words without links and pictures. Jeezeee.....
36 months ago: Why did you post a picture of a Boeing test plane on this thread?

Are you trying to insinuate that it is a "spray" plane??

Isn't that disingenuous, misleading and close to lying??
36 months ago: Why don't you answer the previous questions? I always like it when someone answers a question with a question.

Wraith, get a grip. Crap, nevermind, I have the enlistment camp list ready for you...You might get lucky a find me face down in the dirt... PLEASE BEAT ME IN THE HEAD...

Obama Corp at it's best.....

One real quick question that you might be able to answer...

What state are you in?
36 months ago: J..1225... did you like how I sat on the hill and watched how all of the other fisherman were doing before I cast my line into the waters... funny thing, when you sit back and watch the moves. It is simple. don't let them answer a real question with a question. If you do that they will never answer a question and you will always be answering questions. I don't have a problem answering questions. I do have a problem answering questions with answers that are questions. Notice how the newbee bailed? I be he/she is changing identity and might actually give a location in the next life.
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garytheman
Washington, MI
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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: TCG, your article was flagged and the person who flagged it didn't explain why. Is it possible that you didn't write this article, and copied it word for word from:

http://www.chemtrailagenda.com/intro.htm

Why?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
15 months ago: Oh, I didn't realize this was such an old article - I was scanning quickly and noticed Terryeo had commented. Looks like you honked off somebody into reviewing all your past posts.

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