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Che and Fidel or the Founding Fathers???

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Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
You know we have serious problems in our nation, when members of congress will praise murdering communist revolutionaries, and fail to ever mention the heroics and virtues of our own revolutionaries, The Founding Fathers. I see this becoming an awful trend in America; they may get a mention, but rarely individually by name. This is highlighted by the latest praise of Che Guevara, and Fidel Castro by California Congresswomen Diane Watson.

In the video slide show posted to the left is the Dishonorable Gentlewomen from California speaking at her latest town hall meeting. The slide show was posted by PatriotsNetwork.com. I have no affiliation with this sight other than I found this video, which I believe helps my case.

I was in utter disbelief, listening to this speech. “Say what you want about Fidel…he was one of the brightest leaders I have ever met,” says Watson (I do not care if, like Senator Feinstein, she worked hard to become a congresswomen, but I can not give her the respect of that title anymore). She continues with “…well Che Guevara, who kicked out the wealthy,” which allowed Fidel to bring Cuba to prosperity. Well Diane, let’s evaluate how you would portray someone who said, “Adolf Hitler was one of the brightest leaders I have studied, and once Adolf Eichmann started to get rid of the Jews, well Hitler was to lead Germany to prosperity.” I bet you would think that person was an absolute moron, a racist, a fascist. Hence, why I think you and all of your socialist cohorts are absolute idiots, fools, or … I’ll let the readers insert their own words, because the real words I want to use are not family oriented.

Those on the left demonize people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck for calling the President and his advisers communists. Are they wrong? I don’t see how they logically can be. Where is the uproar when elected representatives praise Cuba’s murdering, communist revolutionaries? Ms. Watson fails to mention that Che Guevara ordered the execution of “several thousand people,” the “wealthy” Ms. Watson is talking about (see TherealCuba.com link to the left). That was his way of “kicking them out.” How many political dissenters did Castro imprison, how many did he order to die? No uproar, no condemnation of her words. To the contrary, he Democrats and other allies of the left will rally around her, and financially support her, and give the label of racist to people like myself who dare question her praise. Fidel and Che are heroes to the same types of people that Hitler and Eichmann are heroes: Murderers, Despots, Dictators, socialists communists, fascists. Ms. Watson, your remarks don’t lead me to believe you are a murderer, but as for the latter five take your pick. Glen Beck says there are “communists in the White House,” well I know of at least one in Congress, Diane Watson.

What happened to praising our own revolutionaries, you know, the ones a lot of liberal democrats forget about, the Founding Fathers. Well I know I can never see eye to eye with someone who praises Che and Fidel, while I praise George and Thomas (Washington and Jefferson). We will not Unite together as a nation as long as those on the left keep trying to “Change” our American heroes from George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Hamilton, Hancock, Sam Adams, Richard Henry Lee, James Madison (the list can go on and on) to Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Raul Castro, Hugo Chavez, Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin and so on.

It seems as if those on the left study and praise the communist revolutionaries so as to learn how to grab power. Those of us on the right have also studied the same people; however we study them to understand how tyrants come to rule. Also, unlike the left who seem to consider our Founding Fathers nothing but “slave owning, dead white men,” we view them has virtuous and heroic. We learn from them how to stop despotic usurpation of our liberties. I have no doubt that being armed with the knowledge of our Founders’ virtues to stop tyranny, and knowing how tyrants like Lenin, Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez usurped liberty from their people, that “we the people” will again take our government back. And when it comes to choosing my heroes, I and most Americans choose the Founders over Che and Fidel.
UPDATE - 6 months ago
Here is a new link to the audio of Diane Watson

http://youtu.be/hNCjYhsf8_Y
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markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: Billy,

I believe this video (or at least a reference to it) was already posted on another rant, and I'll respond similarly.

Back in the 2008 Presidential Election, Congressman Tom Tancredo (R) was a candidate for President and suggested that we bomb Mecca and other Islamic religious sites in response to any further acts of terrorism.

Using your faulty logic, we'll connect the twisted dots. Tom Tancredo was a Republican Congressmen and Bush was the Republic President at the time; therefore, whatever whacked out comments that Tancredo made are automatically the viewpoints of the President.

Another example would be Republican David Duke; American white nationalist, former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, and former Republican Louisiana State Representative. Being that he's a Republican, we'll just have to use your 'logic' and assume that all Republican politicians shared his viewpoints. Now here's Obama himself on Castro & Cuba.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gopuefFpcx0
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: @Mark
I never once mentioned the president. Not once. What iI did mention was a congreswomen. Do not put words into my mouth. My beef is with most politicians, both republican and democrat. I find it a little easier to live with republicans as you can see.
I never said all democtrats, I said the democrats and their alies.

Just remember Dem. Byrd out of West Virginia, was also a member of the Klan. Michelle Malkin wrote an interesting article on the subject shortly after Byrd’s “Fox News Sunday” appearance in 2001 when he used the term “white nigger” twice with hardly an eye batted from the media or civil rights establishment. She pointed out,

This ex-Klansman wasn’t just a passive member of the nation’s most notorious hate group. According to news accounts and biographical information, Sen. Byrd was a “Kleagle” — an official recruiter who signed up members for $10 a head. He said he joined because it “offered excitement” and because the Klan was an “effective force” in “promoting traditional American values.”
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: There is a big difference between "elected Representatives" and "Elected Executive".
33 months ago: Billyberoo, you didn't mention Obama by name, but you did seek to tar all Democrats with the same brush and pretend that Diane Watson is representative of them.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: I seek to "tar" those on the left who praise these 2 thugs, many of whom walk around with Che t-shirts. And yes she does represent them because she as well as many Dem's in D.C., not all but many, give these thugs repeated Hosannas.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: Billy,

If you're denying my supposition, why did you say, "the Democrats and other allies will rally around her." It's obvious what you were doing; pulling out an extreme example to sully the entire group. If you don't want people to smear conservatives with David Duke, don't smear liberals with Diane Watson. And yes, liberals on the left use the same tactic against the right but it's still logical fallacy.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Maybe you are right, but you fail to take it in context with my first point: "I see this becoming an awful trend in America; they may get a mention, but rarely individually by name. This is HIGHLIGHTED by the latest praise of Che Guevara, and Fidel Castro by California Congresswomen Diane Watson.
David duke my friends is out of politics, He holds no offoce in our federal government, this woman does hold office. She has on a number of occasions done the same thing. So has Mark Loyd, who works in the FCC who praised how Hugo Chavez took over private media outlets to silence opposition. Here is an article about his "economic advisors" backing a communist:ttp://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/ss_politics0421_05_26.asp
Need I go on. The important fact THEY ARE IN POSITIONS OF POWER RIGHT NOW AS I TYPE.
Here is an article about an allie on the left supporting her: ttp://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2009/ss_politics0421_05_26.asp
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Do you beleive she is right in her assessment? Do you disagree with the analogy of Che and Fidel with Hitler and Eichmann? Those are the points. Why does she not discuss this great nation the Founders created?
33 months ago: "Highlighted" because you say so? I'm willing to bet real money I can find quotes in this week's news from Democrats regarding specific, individual founders.

You *are* tarring an entire political party with the actions of one member. You're going on and on about her as if she really reflects an "awful trend in America," when she reflects an awful trend only in... Diane Watson.

You want a trend? Find a majority - or even a significant minority - of Democrats lauding Fidel Castro. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: I just gave you a few. Visit a college campus. You don't need a significant majority when you have the Bully Pulpit of an elected office.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Here are three more quotes:
He looked directly into my eyes!" said Democrat Laura Richardson

"and then he asked: how can we help President Obama? Fidel Castro really wants President Obama to succeed."

Democrat Emanuel Cleaver said of Castro "He's one of the most amazing human beings I've ever met!"

Democrat Bobby Rush said "Raul Castro was a very engaging, down-to-earth and kind man, someone who I would favor as a neighbor. It was almost like listening to an old friend," and went onto add that "In my household I told Castro he is known as the ultimate survivor".

Democrat Barbara Lee enthusiastically said "It was quite a moment to behold! Fidel Castro was very engaging and very energetic."
33 months ago: "Why does she not discuss this great nation the Founders created?"

That has got to be the silliest thing I've ever read. Unless there are cameras following her around constantly, there's no way to know whether she talks about the founders under other circumstances.

Here's an analogy for your logic: I've never seen you talk about chocolate. So obviously you hate chocolate.
33 months ago: Congratulations, you've found four. How does this represent a "trend?" A trend of four?
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Hillary Clinton a member of the O ministration also side with the communists on the Honduras issue:
"Hugo Chávez's coalition-building efforts suffered a setback yesterday when the Honduran military sent its president packing for abusing the nation's constitution.

It seems that President Mel Zelaya miscalculated when he tried to emulate the success of his good friend Hugo in reshaping the Honduran Constitution to his liking.

But Honduras is not out of the Venezuelan woods yet. Yesterday the Central American country was being pressured to restore the authoritarian Mr. Zelaya by the likes of Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, Hillary Clinton and, of course, Hugo himself. The Organization of American States, having ignored Mr. Zelaya's abuses, also wants him back in power. It will be a miracle if Honduran patriots can hold their ground. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html)
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: I found for in two minutes, that's the problem. Two minutes to find 4 current members of congress who praise Castro alone. What about the Sean Penn's and Danny Glover's who have media access who support Castro as well as Chavez, and Zelaya.

I have no reason to talk about chocolate. But our members of Congress Swore to defend and uphold our Constitution that came about becaues of our Founding Father's. They should be praised not the Dictators who would love to see that document turned to ashes.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: Some guy at the FCC now? Come on man; when legislation is proposed or there's an FCC edict that confirms what the World Tribune Site (run by a Moonie by the way) is suggesting, I'll be right with you.
33 months ago: Honduras was overtaken by a military coup, as has happened in the past. the Wall Street Journal's support of that coup is and has been reprehensible.

Hillary Clinton is currently the nation's top diplomat. It is her *job* to work with foreign leaders, praise their good deeds, condemn their vile acts, and so forth. Might as well bag on Nixon for going to China if you're going to condemn Clinton for that.

So you're still at four. You can't add Clinton to the list for doing her diplomatic duty.

The premise of this rant is flawed. You *want* there to be a trend. You *want* there to be some sort of evidence that Democrats en masse are ignoring our country's founding fathers. But the evidence just isn't there.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: ...our members of Congress Swore to defend and uphold our Constitution...

Really? One of the Constituional rights that you might not be aware of is the right of free speech; the kind that you might find highly disagreeable to your political ideology, and not the Glenn Beck definitions as I'll repost here:

The Glenn Beck revised definition of Freedom of Speech: The freedom to advocate ideas and positions that concur with Beck's ideological position. All other ideas and positions are the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater.

The Glenn Beck definition of censorship: Any speech that disagrees with his ideological position is an attempt to censor. Of course such subversive speech must be censored in of itself because it doesn't meet his definition of free speech.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: And we became a nation via a Miltary coup. And it is the Secretary of states job to promote U.S. interests through out the world. And Zelaya's attemp at installing a communist dictatorship is in our best interests, however it is in Zelaya's, Chavez's and Castro's best interest.
And I will stop at 5. % high ranking leaders of our Federal government is 5 too many. I'm sure I could find more but you are an intelligent person, you can find them yourself.

When was the the last time you heard a democrat mention the name Richard Henry Lee in public? Thomas Jefferson?, Hamilton? Madison? The evidence isn't there because they don't praise our Founders.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Mark once again Glenn Beck is not an elected official that holds political power. He did not swear an oath, like Watson and her cohorts did.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: Now this might sound strange to you Billy but when I was in the military, I can't remember how many times that civilians (including a relative or two) berated for being in the military, being a war-monger, etc. etc.

But that's one reason I served - to protect people's Constitutional freedom to either pat me on the back with happy smiles or curse me out; the oath that I took requires it.

If CongressPerson Schmo wants to say Castro is a great health care administrator, that's they're right and it's your right to call them out. Now whether it's from the left or the right, if somebody tries to take that right away, than we got a problem.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Mark: I don't want that right taken away, but I do believe they should be elected out of office. Especially when they give Che and Fidel heroic praise, in order to influence there "constituents" to follow their example of murderer and despotism.

Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: During one of Chavez’s customary lectures on the “curse” of capitalism and the bonanzas of socialism, the Venezuelan leader made reference to GM’s bankruptcy filing, which is expected to give the U.S. government a 60 percent stake in the 100-year-old former symbol of American might.

“Hey, Obama has just nationalized nothing more and nothing less than General Motors. Comrade Obama! Fidel, careful or we are going to end up to his right,” Chavez joked on a live television broadcast.

During a decade in government, Chavez has nationalized most of Venezuela’s key economic sectors, including multibillion dollar oil projects, often via joint ventures with the private sector that give the state a 60 percent controlling stake.

From the mouth of a Communist.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: FYI, the Republican Governor of Texas was talking about Secession at a Tea Bag party. Shouldn't you be castigating him for violating his oath which by the includes supporting and defending the U.S. Constitution in addition to the State of Texas?
33 months ago: "When was the the last time you heard a democrat mention the name Richard Henry Lee in public? Thomas Jefferson?, Hamilton? Madison? The evidence isn't there because they don't praise our Founders."

This is just plain incorrect. Again, you're trying to establish a trend where none exists. You have quotes of *four* (not five) Democrats praising Castro (I noticed you don't actually have any text of Clinton saying nice things about him or Chavez.) And you state categorically - and completely incorrectly - that Democrats don't praise our founders.

All politicians praise the founders. All of them. They evoke revered political figures of the past all the time. Most modern speeches can be guaranteed to contain at least one instance in which a politician attempts to tie himself to a well-regarded forerunner's legacy.

Barack Obama, for instance, mentions Thomas Jefferson quite a bit: http://www.asksam.com/ebooks/search2.asp?file=Obama-Speeches.ask&search=Thomas+Jefferson&btnSearchEbooks=Search

I'll bet that if you were trying to do more than make an ill-conceived point, you could even find video of Diane Watson herself talking about one of the founders. But you're pretending this video represents not only her entire history in front of the media, but the attitude of all Democrats.

So I will remind you, as Mark did earlier, that David Duke could just as easily be (incorrectly) taken as representative of the Republicans.

Just admit it. Your point here is flawed. You're trying to prove something it is impossible to prove, because there are just too many videos and speech transcripts online proving otherwise.
33 months ago: "You have quotes of *four* (not five) Democrats praising Castro (I noticed you don't actually have any text of Clinton saying nice things about him or Chavez.) And you state categorically - and completely incorrectly - that Democrats don't praise our founders."

Any Republicans ever praise Castro?
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: I happened to be at that Tea Party, And I do happen to agree that the Declaration of Independence which precedes our constitution, and its implied right to secession "We hold theses truths to be SELF-EVIDENT (emphasis added), that all meen are created equal, they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights...That Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their consent of the governed, That whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it and to institute a new Governmnet, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such a form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Or Secession.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Van Jones
Klein: Obama adviser’s ‘communist manifesto’ scrubbed from Internet. Founded group with ‘commitment to the fundamental ideas of Marxism-Leninism.
“I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/klein-obama-advisers-communist-manifesto-scrubbed-from-internet-founded-group-with-commitment-to-the-fundamental-ideas-of-marxism-leninism/

Marlk Loyd : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysqsa_TeLys

Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: More Van Jones following Saul Allinsky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt66eWnjoTo
33 months ago: Did I hear that correctly?

"And lemme tell ya, before you say “Oh, it’s a commu–”, you need to go down there and see what Fidel Castro put in place. And I want you to know, now, you can think whatever you want to about Fidel Castro, but he was one of the brightest leaders I have ever met.

And you know, the Cuban revolution that kicked out the wealthy, Che Guevara did that, and then, after they took over, they went out among the population to find someone who could lead this new nation, and they found…well, just leave it there (she laughs), an attorney by the name of Fidel Castro…"

What a moron.

33 months ago: "Any Republicans ever praise Castro?"

Any Democrats ever praise Augusto Pinochet?

You can find stupid in any political party, Republican or Democratic. But only in the Republican party can you find direct, material support for Augusto Pinochet. Soooo... Should I now judge the entire Republican party for the acts of one Henry Kissenger and Richard Nixon?
33 months ago: Yeah...Che Guevara. You know, Castro's executioner, killed or ordered the deaths of hundreds of people. Great man....:puke:
33 months ago: Yeah...Augusto Pinochet. You know, Chilean dictator propped up by Nixon and Kissenger, killed and tortured tens of thousands. Great man....:puke:
33 months ago: Let's rock! Che loved CUBA so much!

In April 1965 he tells Castro he is relinquishing all his official positions and his Cuban nationality.

OCTOBER 3, 1965: In a public speech, Fidel Castro reads a "Farewell" letter written by Che in April, in which Che resigns from all of his official positions within the Cuban government. The letter, which Che apparently never intended to be made public, states that "I have fulfilled the part of my duty that tied me to the Cuban revolution...and I say goodbye to you, to the comrades, to your people, who are now mine."

Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Here's another advisor. Though he does not explicitly state he is a communist read his writings.

Book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population. Sounds like what goes on in RED CHINA

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

Jeff Jones and Bill Ayres still have his ears. How about the communists of the SEIU, AFL-CIO. All these power brokers all seem to have communist views.
33 months ago: Oh yeah...and I really like Pinochet too Noni....wait wait.

I was being sarcastic...YOU were being sarcastic...Diane Watson was not.

Or did I missread and you like Che, but not Pinochet? Pinochet did overthrow the socialist...so....maybe?
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: I do not hear any republicans praising hosannas for Augusto Pinochet. I DO HEAR MANY DEMOCRATS PRAISING FIDEL AND CHE GUEVARA. That is a fact.
33 months ago: Go ahead and call it cut and paste. Don't care because you won't read it anyway.

Former Cuban guerrilla Daniel Alarcon Ramirez accused the communist island's leader, Fidel Castro, of "betraying" Ernesto "Che" Guevara on the orders of Moscow, which considered him "a very dangerous personality for their imperialist strategies."

Alarcon Ramirez, known as "Benigno," told Corriere della Sera that Che's death "was due to a machination for which Fidel Castro and the Soviet Union are responsible."

Benigno is one of the three guerrillas in Che's band who after their leader's execution on Oct. 8, 1967, in Bolivia managed to elude pursuit by Bolivian troops and escape to Chile.

"The Soviets considered Che to be a very dangerous personality for their imperialist strategies and Fidel yielded for reasons of state, given that Cuba's survival depended on the help of Moscow. And he eliminated a comrade ... Che was the leader most loved by the people," he said.

Benigno said that Che and his outfit of guerrillas wanted to export the Cuban Revolution to other nations, but they were abandoned in the Bolivian jungle.

"Che went to meet his death knowing that he had been betrayed"
33 months ago: The irony of Che is, if I remember correctly, he was a doctor by trade...
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Here is more communism at work, Indoctrination.
http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf
Isn't this how Kim Jong "Mentally" Il trains his people to refer to him as: Lode Star of the 21st Century, Peerless Leader, Beloved Leader, Great Leader, Dear Leader, Great Suryong (chieftain), the Sun of Revolution, the Sun of Life, the Sun of Juche (self-reliance, the ruling idea of the country), and the Fatherly Leader of all Koreans, among others.
You want more examples of communism, tyranny, and despotism from Washington and the leftists who are running it??
33 months ago: Dr. Che? What do you prescribe for my treatment?

Quick dose of Lead poisoning. Yep, that will fix you up.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Here is more Leftist Propaganda being hoisted upon our children
http://www.earthrights.net/images/earthpledge.jpg
33 months ago: What happened Billy? The "Working Class" came home and the others "Ran Away". What is up with that? What happened to the commies...er, sorry...NSN - national socialist network (commies)... Quick to wit and disinformation when not out numbered...Weak little self rightious dweebs...All of them..
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
33 months ago: "Also, unlike the left who seem to consider our Founding Fathers nothing but 'slave owning, dead white men,' we view them has virtuous and heroic."

Filiopiety: unhealthy in large doses. Tends to make one self-righteous and provincial in outlook, which our founders definitely were not. Look into it, and get past the Parson Mason Weems narrative of our founding.

“The whole history of this Revolution will be a lie, from beginning to end...Franklin did this, Franklin did that, Franklin did some other damned thing. . . . Franklin smote the ground and out sprang George Washington, full grown and on his horse. . . . Franklin then electrified him with his miraculous lightning rod and the three of them--Franklin, Washington, and the horse--conducted the entire Revolution by themselves.”

-John Adams

Not quite a lie, but a very large part folk tale.
33 months ago: JAK, don't bother... I've already pointed out - repeatedly - that politicians of all stripes invoke the founders all the time, and even pointed out that Obama's fond of invoking Jefferson. They've stopped listening. They're too busy congratulating themselves on finding a neat new narrative - "Democrats love Che and hate the founders!" - that they're lost in that pleasant fantasy.

They found a video that to them tells the story of the Democratic party, and evidence to the contrary is to be ignored.
33 months ago: Wow!!! I really mean Wow!!!

"Also, unlike the left who seem to consider our Founding Fathers nothing but 'slave owning, dead white men,' we view them has virtuous and heroic."

Those dead white men actually had boats and a trade setup to drag unwitted, soon to be slaves from their home soils.

How many Africans sold the spoils of their wars to the evil white man for a profit? Can you please document the "Evil White" war against Africa where the white man invaded, conquered and shipped the bounty to the "New World"? Was there a "Evil White" war or Wars? Wait, I get it the white domination conspericy started well before the actual African tribal clan wars. The "Evil White" man envaded Africa several centuries before and planted the seed of destruction. Yeah, That is it.
33 months ago: @TCG

Quick question: Do two wrongs make a right?
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Hey noni

Recently, I said recently not in BO's book but recently after his election where is the praise for our founding fathers, besides the political sideshow they might invoke on July 4th. Not quoting but praising and not by BO but his supporters in congress.

And I will sit back and enjoy another sip of fine Commiefornia, I mean California wine, let keep letting you insult me. That is a piece of advice I will take from Glenn Beck. Because I am armed with the most powerful weapon in the world truth.

Because once again it has everything to do with being a capitalist, anti-socialist, anti-communist, it just so happens that is synonymous with being anti-Democratic party.
33 months ago: @Heynoni. No I at least am not saying that these people are the democratcic party. These are the people who are trying to take it over. Both sides need to take back their parties. Go to the national 6"= website for example and read the statement of republican values. Then tell me how mnay of those could be applied to the Bush adminiatration. The answer is not many, because the neoconservative philosophy in many cases contradicts that of a true republican, as does the communist philosophy contradict that of a true democrat.
33 months ago: Huh? What two wrongs in your mind?
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
33 months ago: Cypress: the "slave owning, dead white men" passage was from Billyberoo's earlier post, not my comment. I should have said so. It's a glib interpretation of liberal thinking on the subject, no doubt taken from alternative histories of the Revolutionary period. So a few historians offer a different (read: non-white, non-male) perspective, and suddenly reputations and mythologies are permanently damaged. This is a child's understanding of history.
33 months ago: It may have been from Billy's earlier post but you fed on it and owned it. Therefore, like it or not you own it. Sorry, cold hard fact. Please answer the questions.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
33 months ago: Billy,

Considering Gov Perry and yourself want the illegal right to secede from the union and void your obligation to the Constitution, how do you have the gall to throw rocks at lefty loons who you claim aren't upholding the Constitution? Hello? Pot? Kettle?

And If you're so concerned about the loons supporting leftist dictators, why weren't you concerned when Reagan and Rumsfeld were kissing Saddam Hussein's jack boots back in the 1980s; supplying weapons to the mustachioed despot even as he used chemical weapons. Here's Rumsfeld having a lovefest with Saddam and the history lesson:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Only when Hussein bit the hand that was feeding it, did we suddenly get worried about the plight of the poor Iraqis citizens being brutalized under Saddam. As HNN pointed out, we have a history of supporting dictators when it suits our national interests and democracy be damned.

So don't give me your flag draped drivel about upholding the Constitution and supporting democracy; considering you want to exercise the right to secede when it suits your Christian Dominionist proclivities, the Constitution is obviously nothing more than toilet paper to wipe your behind with.

BTW, considering only a minority of Texans would support seceding, the rest of Texas and the federal government would be inclined to put down Pontiff Perry's insurrectionist theocracy. Like the neo-cons are fond of saying, "Love or Leave It", and that means leaving the 50 States for whatever Central American paradise will have you - nyuk, nyuk.
33 months ago: How about we claim the legal right and split into 5 states. That would give us 10 Senators. Look that little fact up.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
33 months ago: Cypress: no burgeoning demand for African slaves in the colonies, no incentive for tribal chieftains to sell captives to slave traders. Demand here and in the Caribbean--especially the Caribbean--drove the slave trade.


Getting back to the other topic: let's just pretend, for a minute, that this isn't a zero-sum process: that people can find things worthy of emulation in the character of even, say, Che Guevara (I know that merely suggesting this makes me a crypto-commie, validates worst fears--whatever), without kicking our founders in the collective teeth.

University-trained physician, sees suffering and brutality and neo colonial slavery under the Batista regime--not to mention the turning of Cuba into a brothel and casino for rich American gangsters and playboys--and gives up his professional calling to wage war, against impossible odds. And Cuba isn't even his homeland! Under a different set of values, we might even call this act "Christian". Not all epiphanies are of the mid-life crisis variety.

"Praise" is the wrong word. It's the understanding that not all legacies are uncomplicated, white hat/black hat. Any idea of Cuba "prospering" under Castro, as Watson says, is obviously a gloss, but then again Cuba has labored under a 50-year embargo, the loss of its most influential patron, and the relentless Cuban exile community and its considerable political influence.

Maybe start by studying the ouster of Arbenz in Guatemala--where Che and the other Cuban revolutionaries cut their teeth--the history of the United Fruit Company throughout Latin America, the rise of Batista. Troubled region with a troubled relationship with the U.S., not helped by a tendency to look at that relationship through Cold War filters.
33 months ago: Glad you answered it before I got to that part of the question. Just look at how the Caribbean has shaped up. Really a nice picture. Strange how that worked out. Wow!
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
33 months ago: Caribbean is a great tax shelter. Something for everyone.
33 months ago: Yeah, They love the "Evil White" dollars.
33 months ago: Che was from Guatemala? I find that hard to accept.
Rudi Stettner
Rudi Stettner
 Moderator
33 months ago: Its one thing for a college student to spout such idiocy, but for an elected representative? Pitiful.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
33 months ago: Mark
I realy wasn't to because that I was under the age of 16, I remember watching it on T.V. But a do believe that Casper Wienberger was trying to create a stalemate between Iraq and Iran, which is what basically happened. By doing that he kept Iran down. Who knows how far along their nuke program would be if we allowed them to run right over Iraq. I forgot who said it (Teddy Roosevelt i believe) "He maybe be a son of a **** but he's my son of a ****.

And I don't want to exercise the right to secede, I just recognize the right to secede, the right of every state.

Our founding documents are an enigma. We were founded upon a War of Secession from England which we won. The Confederacy lost its war of Independence hence the Union was maintained by Rifle and Bayonette, sort of how an Abused wife stays with her abusive husband.

But I can live with that that is part of my history, but when the time comes I will do everything in my power to preserve the Natural and unalienable rights given to us by our creator that our Constitution is supposed to protect. If it fails to protect them (ie. by allowing D.C. politicians to usurp those rights from me or anyone else) then it is my right to abolish that government. Not only is it my right, but I feel it would be my duty.
JAK Gladney
JAK Gladney
Saint Albans, WV
33 months ago: Strange worldview, you on the right. Always demanding that people choose, imposing rigid loyalty tests. Che and Fidel, or our founders; freedom or oppression; with us, or against us. Most people don't divide their influences this way--into neat ideological camps. I know you see this as moral clarity. I see it as artificial and forced, narrow.

America does have its flaws, scot, and it shouldn't be blasphemy to say so--this is how we learn from our mistakes. Unconditional love is for puppies and children, not nations. The sentiment you're describing is militant nationalism.
33 months ago: "America does have its flaws, scot, and it shouldn't be blasphemy to say so--this is how we learn from our mistakes. Unconditional love is for puppies and children, not nations. The sentiment you're describing is militant nationalism."

Well said. I would add that unconditional love for a nation also precludes belief that the nation can be improved upon - after all, it's already perfect.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
33 months ago: Not so.

We believe nothing is ever perfect. But we also believe in always moving forward, and not regressing back into the bondage we escaped not so long ago. We also believe in learning from the mistakes of our neighbors, that we may recognize the signs when others wish to take our freedoms.

We don't care if times have changed. We don't care if the "enlightened" see a "better way" for us. We are not members of the collective, we are individuals.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
32 months ago: Very Well said oob
32 months ago: Siempre, If your going to spell it out then spell it out...

Every time I hear words like: Those on the left ,and communists in the White House.

What in fact are the words from "Those one the left"? As opposed to the right's upfront, not holding back, why sugar coat it opinion that there are in fact communists in the White House? Are there not Communists in the White House that are subject to Obama? Do you need names of self proclaimed communists that are active in the daily Obama White House planning? It is fairly easy to find.
Billyberoo
Billyberoo
Cedar Park, TX
32 months ago: One Communist, Van Jones, out of the White House, great news. Several more to go.

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