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CAUTION: "Christian Bastards"

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An interesting thing happened yesterday, I had a couple of guys walk into a ministry that I work at and offer to help... I was impressed by their willingness to volunteer, not even knowing fully what they may be getting themselves into. I declined their most generous help. But I was saddened that I had to turn them away... so I told them that I really should explain to them "why". And over the next half an hour they most patiently listened...
giving the most humble and most patient attendance to my explanation.

Soon after they entered our ministry building, I noticed that the two young men were members of a "cult", whose faith was diametrically opposed to the Bible... but I was intrigued by their willingness and generosity and just had to spend a bit of time with them, instead of just saying "no thanks" by showing them the door. I was taken back by how eager these guys were to help in our community, not being their own, as they had traveled a great distance to serve in our community...
to further their church's global outreach.

I couldn't help but see how dedicated they were, and how "Christians" lack this basic drive to stand for their faith... let alone go throughout their neighborhood and offer their assistance. You see, on our building there are a couple of signs that say "bible study" "Experiencing God" "Men's Group" and so on... these guys had notice the signs and wandered in. My question within myself was... don't Christians see these signs? Yet none of them wander in to offer help... it had me puzzled. It was apparent that these "cult members" had more basic "love" or at least fear of not scoring points with their god or just more willingness than the so-called "saved" ...SAMARITANS? Mmmm.

As I explained (with the Bible) how our faiths were opposed they seemed to understand, yet remained very humble, not offended... I told them that IF we as "Christians" had workers like them the world would be a different place. In fact I told them... "IF the BASTARDS hiding out in the Church would come out to serve..." they seemed shocked that I used the word BASTARDS as emphasized as I did. I explained that some only claim to be Christians, yet their dedication is sadly lacking... or their doctrines are messed... on each count, they agreed. These were "illegitimate" children of God, not really having God as their father. What a conundrum... those who were not Christians serving like they were... and so-called "Christians" living like they are definitely not.

There is a scripture that defines what is obedience and what is not, what is faith and what is not... it uses circumcision as an example. The point made is that if one is circumcised and does not keep the law of God... then his "circumcision" is counted as though he were uncircumcised. And conversely, if one who is not circumcised and obeys the law of God... then his "uncircumcision" is counted as circumcision. Here is the point... if one who is not a "Christian" obeys the Word of God, will not his "unChristianity" be counted as Christianity? And conversely, if one who is a "Christian" obeys NOT the Word of God, will not his "Christianity" be counted as unChristianity??

"For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law. For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God." (Romans 2:25-29)

Do we really think that God cares if we are "Christians" in name only? God will not be mocked by our surface platitudes or patronizing lip-service... He sees the heart. He is a righteous Judge, He will surprise many of those on judgement day who thought they were "in" ...and also some who thought they were definitely "out". Jesus said many who call Him "Lord" will be rejected, yet others were surprised that they were accepted...

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.' (Matthew 25:37-40)

It matters little if I can fool you... God knows who are His and who are not. We can all make a good show in the flesh... but God knows our hearts. One of Jesus' miracles that has remained to this day is His Word. He said that His word will never pass away...
and that we will be judged by it some day. It then will be apparent who have been faithful with what they have been given... some are given a lot of truth, and some not so much; yet are faithful to the death. Jesus measured this, not by lip-service, saying "yes" to God... but by actually doing what He said. Jesus said...

"What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work today in the vineyard.' "'I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went. "Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, 'I will, sir,' but he did not go.

"Which of the two did what his father wanted?"

"The first," they answered.

Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him." (Matthew 21:28-32)
UPDATE - 11 months ago
"Bible Encyclopedia...
Bastard
In the Old Testament the rendering of the Hebrew word _mamzer'_, which means "polluted." In Deut. 23:2, it occurs in the ordinary sense of illegitimate offspring. In Zech. 9:6, the word is used in the sense of foreigner. From the history of Jephthah we learn that there were bastard offspring among the Jews (Judg. 11:1-7). In Heb. 12:8, the word (Gr. nothoi) is used in its ordinary sense, and denotes those who do not share the privileges of God's children."
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictiona...

"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him." (Romans 8:9)

"If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." (Hebrews 12:7-8)
UPDATE - 1 month ago
"Don't Waste Your Life" by John Piper
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11 months ago: Did you ever wonder why Jesus was so angry with the "religious"? It was because they had the truth... and suppressed it. The were well-fed... yet allowed others to simply starve to death (spiritually), having all the answers yet spending all their time "being fed" ...shame on them! Spending all their time polishing their armor... instead of using it to defend the hopeless... or using it to fight evil that is taking over another's life... what good is your faith if you are CONTENT to see others go to hell?
11 months ago: "18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who SUPPRESS THE TRUTH by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." (Romans 1:18-20)
11 months ago: "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men" (Isaiah 29:13)
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: Truth this is pretty common nowadays in all phases of life. It is exactly what our Government is doing. Polishing their armour and looking in the mirror all day being vain and admiring their dispicable actions as as something "well done."
The more wrong they support, the more they are accepted by their own kind. There are more of them then us.
11 months ago: Sunny,

It is too bad our faith has been rendered down to social clubs... interested in attendance instead of repentance and forgiveness. I think God will use guys like this as a testimony against the complacent church.
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: That is exactly what they are because they don't know any better. They become stronger in numbers and no kind of a doctrine is established but a big social scene.
11 months ago: An interesting angle on this T. Nice work, I always enjoy looking at a subject from a little different perspective to get a better understanding of it.
11 months ago: TB,
Did it not cross your mind even once that the reason they were so eager to serve was because they did posses the spirit of God and that your church members and your whole doctrine is fundamentally flawed, huh, not even once, did it?
11 months ago: DJ,

It may come as a surprise to you that I question my stand on the Bible with anyone who may have a differing opinion... but as I said before, this faith is not my own, and any group that teaches that Jesus is Satan's brother... is not teaching from the Bible.
11 months ago: I never implied that these guys weren't sincere... just deceived, and that is why I wonder if God will judge as he did in the days of His flesh...

"Then He began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles were done, because they did not repent. "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. Nevertheless I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day. 24 Nevertheless I say to you that it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you." (Matthew 11:20-24)

...that if there were testimonies, witnesses, preachers, and martyrs like there was in those days... these guys would have long ago found the truth, and be living and teaching it. But how will they hear without a preacher...

"WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!" (Romans 10:13-15)
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: That's the word "deceived." You said it.
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11 months ago: TB,
Please be specific when you are accusing someone of some thing. You wrote: "I noticed that the two young men were members of a "cult", whose faith was diametrically opposed to the Bible." Really? What cult were they a member of? What makes their institution a cult? Christianity is a cult of Judaism! Yet that is not considered a bad thing so how exactly are you meaning to use the word cult?

When you wrote in the comments, "any group that teaches that Jesus is Satan's brother... is not teaching from the Bible." It came to a big surprise to me because I did not see you mention that once in the whole essay. Instead you kept saying things like, " their willingness and generosity", " how eager these guys were to help in our community", "how dedicated they were", "these 'cult members' had more basic 'love' or at least fear of not scoring points".

Those are all admirable qualities, fruits of the spirit, if you will and yet you equate their faith with the wrong side and yours with the right side. Whatever point you're trying to make is obscured by calling them a cult despite not having proved it even once! You even put your foot inn your moth by enumerating how Christ like they were and how ungodly your own church members are even disowning them by calling them Bastards. Don't you see the obvious implications of calling your church members bastards?

Here let me point it out to you. If they are not legitimate children of God because they do not act godly then the "cult members" as you called them are legitimate children of God because they do act godly. Which is what I pointed out in my comment and you are somehow denouncing. So once again, please be specific when you are accusing someone of something.
11 months ago: DJ,

"Cult" means group... and has it's common usage as a group departing from "mainline" beliefs.... and these guys were of such a group departing from the faith delivered to us in the Word of God, the Bible. "Admirable qualities" won't cut it if you don't have Jesus Christ as your Savior... or you believe Jesus to be other than what scriptures state.... it was merely the qualities that should be typified by believers, exuded in these two, was the very point of the message. And "bastard" referred to the illegitimate faith that they were representing. "Illegitimate" because it claims to represent Jesus Christ, yet contradicts Jesus' own words and scriptures that Jesus substantiated, by His life burial and Resurrection.

Let me point something out to you... it is not the so-called "godly life" a person lives that makes them a Christian, rather it is being born of His Spirit, thus being adopted by God Himself...

"And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" (Galatians 4:6)

...interesting note, it is the Spirit of the Son that is synonymous with the Spirit of the Father...and Holy Spirit we need in our lives. BTW talking to you is beginning to sound like a broken record, so I am just going to cut and paste from other articles to respond to you... you are obviously not getting it....

God has only one Spirit... yet He is called the Spirit of the Father, the Spirit of the Son, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of God... yet only one SPIRIT.

"For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you." (Matthew 10:20)

"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him." (Romans 8:9)


11 months ago: Hiding out in a Christian Church doesn't make you a Christian, any more than hiding out in a barn makes you a cow! IF all we are doing is playing Christianity... it will not do the lost world any good. Somehow we need to get the truth out where it will be of some use. Keeping all the "food" to ourselves and not sharing this life-giving bread...

"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 24:45-51)
11 months ago: ON the one hand we have those who are NOT Christians obeying by "going into all the world making disciples" ...and those who ARE supposed to be Christians... disobeying by not going into the world making disciples... who will be judged more harsh?
11 months ago: DJ you said...

"If they are not legitimate children of God because they do not act godly then the "cult members" as you called them are legitimate children of God because they do act godly."

...I am merely pointing out that God's judgement, as in the case of circumcision, may be applied here dealing with those who are sincearly out trying to "make disciples" ...however deceived; and that may be their vindication... (again)

"For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law. For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God." (Romans 2:25-29)

Also, in the case of those who merely are not under God's chastisement are called "BASTARDS" ...how much more those who don't serve Him as their father?

"If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons." (Hebrews 12:7-8)

AS to me calling "members of my Church" bastards... what "members" would that be? Anyone loving and serving God would know that they are sons and daughters of God, and not illegitimate... the only "membership" that is important is being a member of the body of Christ, not necessary a member of an establishment.
11 months ago: You missed the point once again TB. According to YOU the spirit these two guys manifested was more Christ like than the spirit manifested by your fellow church members, so much so that you called your own church members illegitimate. By default that makes the people who manifested a Christ like spirit legitimate. You don't have the spirit of God dwelling in you and act like heathens. Isn't that what your point was? You just can't bring yourself to admit that these two chaps manifested the spirit of Gods despite that they did not believe what your cult teaches
10 months ago: DJ,

My point was these guys were acting like Christians, and the "Christians" were not, as to these guys "manifesting the Spirit of Christ" they would have had to be preaching the truth... but sadly they were bringing a false gospel. God will have to judge what is worse... getting out preaching and living a false gospel...
or keeping the truth to yourself where it won't do any good for anyone....

"...He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, 'Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.' But his master answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:24-30)
10 months ago: DJ,

God can use us as an example of what to be, or not to be... I don't remember the question... but I think that is the answer !:]
11 months ago: Sunny,

The Bible teaches us that the "teachers" will be judged more harsh than the "student" ...and leaders more than the followers...

"The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." (Luke 12:47-48)

"...some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?" Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains." (John 9:40-41)
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: So then it is the one who is suppose to set the example who is mostly judged.
Some of those who have been given much, much more have to stay in the graces of God to keep it that way or else that is when that person can become a punching bag for his deeds that go wrong.
11 months ago: Sunny,

You said... "So then it is the one who is suppose to set the example who is mostly judged" ...absolutely, it should be noted that many are raised in a "faith" to either strap bombs on themselves or lay down their lives for others... some with retaliatory faith, and yet others with knee-jerk anti-faith.
11 months ago: It is not a matter of comparing our "production" for God... as much as loving God enough to worship Him by service and obedience.
11 months ago: "Easton's Bible Dictionary...

Bastard
In the Old Testament the rendering of the Hebrew word _mamzer'_, which means "polluted." In Deut. 23:2, it occurs in the ordinary sense of illegitimate offspring. In Zech. 9:6, the word is used in the sense of foreigner. From the history of Jephthah we learn that there were bastard offspring among the Jews (Judg. 11:1-7). In Heb. 12:8, the word (Gr. nothoi) is used in its ordinary sense, and denotes those who do not share the privileges of God's children."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...
11 months ago: "While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." (Matthew 12:46-50)
Crestonian
Crestonian
11 months ago: If I was a Christian I certainly wouldn't want to help you with your judgement and attitude. You're obviously bitter and full of resentment. I'm sure your God isn't impressed with your passive agressive rants. Shouldn't you be out spreading the LOVE of Jesus rather than waisting hot air on the internet???
11 months ago: Crestonian,

You said... "Shouldn't you be out spreading the LOVE of Jesus" ...what in particular is the "love of Jesus" as you see it? Jesus commanded me and other followers of His to go into all the world and make disciples...

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." (Matthew 28:19-20)

...part of spreading the LOVE as you put it, is presenting a challenge to the status quo seen in modern religion masquerading as Christianity. As to "wasting hot air on the internet" ...it seems it hasn't been wasted on you... we have a new RR member, and a fresh new perspective... keeping certain bitter resentful passive aggressive types in check !:]
11 months ago: Crestonian,

You know, if you would have dropped into our Men's Group tonight, you might have seen some of the love you are looking for...
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: I'm going to ask a couple of questions to everyone. Through all of this talk are we allowed to be happy at any point in life. Where does happiness fit into the scheme of things.
To me there are so many demands made on man himself to even think straight each day. Although we are living in a modern Century and have moved on from much of the uncivilized ways, makes me wonder if anything has changed at all. I would like to think we are more civilized and smarter than the olden days spoken of in the Bible, and that we have learned by our mistakes but we haven't. There are religious wars everywhere. Oddly enough, we are still dealing with the same old problems since the beginning of time between the sins of mankind and the goodness of mankind.
Are we suppose to think every minute about this or can we go to church on Sunday and worship to confirm our faith and living the rest of the week out as Christians. People confirm their faith in different ways from one another. Where does the joy come into play? There has to be joy in our lives. "Joy is peace dancing & peace is joy at rest" (I love that saying)
I see less and less of it.


11 months ago: Sunny,

To answer your question about happiness... I think I am trying to show how we all would be happier if those of "faith" took it to the streets... instead of keeping it all to themselves. I am happy, content and loving my family... and all the blessings that go with being loved and cared for... but what about those less fortunate? I am studied up, have a good time with the Creator of the Universe... He answers my prayers, and at times corrects me severely with His truth... but what about the less fortunate?

"And turning His eyes to his disciples He (Jesus) said, Happy are you who are poor: for the kingdom of God is yours. Happy are you who are in need of food now: for you will be made full. Happy are you who are weeping now; for you will be glad. Happy are you, when men have hate for you, and put you away from among them and say angry words to you, turning away in disgust at your name, because of the Son of man. Be glad in that day, and be lifted up for joy, for your reward in heaven will be great: for their fathers did these same things to the prophets. But woe to you who have wealth: for you have been comforted now. Woe to you you who are full of food now: for you will be in need. Woe to you you who are laughing now: for you will be crying in sorrow. Woe to you you when all men give you their approval: for so their fathers did to the false prophets." Luke 6:20-26)
11 months ago: It seems our idea of happy may not be the definition of what Jesus considers happy or fortunate.
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: Truth it most of it comes from the inner self. We all experience happiness and unhappiness it is all a part of living.
I don't believe we can define happiness. If something is very difficult for me at any given time, I work through it and accept it.
What is it that Jesus would define differently?Family makes me very happy, as I come from a large family. They're mostly gone, but I'm happy that I knew them and was loved by them. That is a gift of joy that last forever.


sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: Some are gifted educators and others can't do it.
We each do what we can in our own way.
I've lived life to the fullest and never asked anyone for anything but I helped many only to have them turn on me. On the other hand there were many who appreciated it.
My faith carried me. I've been very lucky that I never doubted.
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: Truth are you speaking of the Beatitudes from the Sermon on the Mount?
11 months ago: Yes the sermon is also in Matthew chapters 5-7.
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: He gave the World a conscience and credibility.
He gave us the ability to stand up to evil.
Thank Him for knowing the difference and for teaching the World about love.
11 months ago: Sunny2,

Here is my response to your question.
Life is difficult because we have lost and forgotten the blueprints that our creator gave us to be able to enjoy life in all it's fullest.

But that doesn't mean we can't be happy. Happiness comes when we understand and exercise the purpose of the existence of all things. The whole universe is preserved by a delicate balance of laws. There are natural laws and physical laws and health laws and spiritual laws. When we go outside these boundaries we find ill and disease but when we follow their guide we find happiness.

I love life and I find fulfillment when I try to restore order rather than cause disturbance.
sunny2
sunny2
11 months ago: Dwayne... A wonderful philosophy.
I don't know why there is so much discourse in this World.
When I look at what we are given for free, it is difficult not to be happy.
10 months ago: Thank You Sunny2. You are right. There is much that is free that brings joy.
11 months ago: Truth you said "To answer your question about happiness... I think I am trying to show how we all would be happier if those of "faith" took it to the streets... instead of keeping it all to themselves".

Everyone is different so they might not like it when people who believe in a certain faith take it to the streets,It might come accross as being forcefull and pushy.
Alot of people would automatically put there guard up.
11 months ago: English Male,

I guess what I meant to say is "walk the talk".
11 months ago: Living out one's faith from gratitude toward God by making a difference in their community can mean more than just "preaching" ...one guy I have just recently knew has given time to work in a homeless shelter, and another visiting a retirement home. When I say people hide their faith, is that mostly others will never know they are Christians by their words or deeds...

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