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Birfers, Truthers, and Chemies

Posted 17 months ago|38 comments|1,787 views
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Alferd P
Washington, DC
Conspiracy theories provide such a unique insight into dysfunctional logic and cognitive dissonance. It always amazes me how much CTists cling to their theories in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. To be sure, there are always those who flirt the edge, being briefly sucked into the vortex of the CT before they snap out of it. There are even those rare few with the courage to stand up and admit, however embarrassing it may be, that they were taken in and fooled by the CT. Most CTist only seem to cling to their pet theories for as long as it gives them that feeling of being “someone special,” someone who is above the crowd, unique and iconoclastic. Over time, however, CTists become increasingly marginalized until just a few die hard, true believers are left. For these people, the CT is not about facts or reality, it is about faith. At this point, the CT has devolved into little more than a fringe cult.

Thanks to the Internet, we have seen three major CT phenomena arise, spread, then devolve over the past 10 years. Actually there are more, but these are the three that everyone is most familiar with. Also, while the internet is responsible for the large exposure of these theories to the general population, it is also responsible for the rapid life cycle of emergence, growth, marginalization, and death of a popular CT.

The first CT to go through this accelerated life cycle was the chemtrails fad that lasted from roughly 1998 to 2003. In retrospect, it is hard to see how the belief that aircraft condensation trails are actually a sophisticated spraying program designed to spread poisons could have been so widely accepted and advocated by so many otherwise reasonably intelligent people, but accepted and proselytized it was.

The one of the main distinguishing characteristics of the “Chemies” was the ignorance of basic atmospheric physics and chemistry. For most of the die hard cultists this ignorance was deliberate and intentional. No matter how much you explained the physics behind contrail formation and persistence, no matter how many scientists and peer reviewed studies that you pointed them to that refuted their ideas, they willfully hung on to their beliefs. Often, they formed their own set of self referencing pseudo-scientific web related sources for their theories. These websites offered a bewildering array of “Proof” that actually consisted of a tangled web of circular citations that ultimately were based on fantasy, not hard facts. Those chemies whose ignorance of the science involved was not deliberate, but rather based on a simple lack of education in the relevant fields were usually the first to abandon the theory.

The other major component of the chemtrail theory was the belief in the power of a few people to secretly manipulate vast numbers of people who would unknowingly carry out their evil bidding. This aspect of the theory is so totally divorced from the realities of organizational structure and logistical operations and basic common sense that I find it almost incomprehensibly ignorant. I can only surmise the rather sad conclusion that this is based in large part to the isolated and socially unconnected lives led by the adherents to this belief. Consider the vast number op people who have to service, maintain, and crew even a small airline company. Imagine the existence of a clandestine group the size of United Airlines whose sole purpose is to surreptitiously spray poison chemicals upon an unsuspecting populace (including their own families). One common explanation given was that the pilots “were afraid to speak out” or that they “were kept in the dark.” Thus, the CTist was able to establish, in his own mind, a level of moral courage and intellect above that of a “common” pilot.

Fortunately, this once common internet CT has faded away to general obscurity.

The next major CT to hit the internet was the “9/11 truth” movement. The “truther” CT began in earnest when a couple of college drop outs produced an internet movie called “loose change” that combined several diverse CTs regarding the 9/11 attacks into one package. Unfortunately, this “movie” was so riddled with errors and omissions and demonstratively false claims that they producers had to re-edit it and re-release it, not just once, but four separate times.

A close examination of the truthers reveals striking similarities to the chemtrail theories that preceded it. (Indeed, many of the hardcore chemies were also enamored of the truther cult as well).

Like the chemies before them, the truthers relied on deliberate and/ or unintentional ignorance of physics and structural engineering to support their case. Indeed, they even went one step further in the promotion of the pseudo-science to support their cause that they even tried to establish their own “peer” journal with which to publish and disseminate the facts and truth as they saw it. However, since most of their claims were not based on facts or science but dogma, the so-called “Journal of Nine Eleven Studies quickly fell apart and various sects with competing theories and beliefs split the movement.

Furthermore, the truthers also clung to the belief that a small set of powerful people were able to control and direct the actions of many people without those people realizing what was going on. A classic example was the oft repeated claim that the rank and file New York Firefighters believe that their were bombs planted in the buildings but that they were such abject cowards that they are afraid to come out and say so because they might lose their pensions. Hopefully, I don’t have to explain the absurdity of this clam.

In addition, like the chemies before them, there was a strong “Us v. Them” current among the proponents of this theory. The adherents believed themselves to be more intelligent and morally superior to the thousands of physicist and engineers the disputed or just plain ignored their claims.

Finally we have the latest internet conspiracy theory. This is the theory that Barack Obama is not qualified to be president because he is not a “natural born” citizen.

A close look at the progress of this theory reveals that it shares many traits with the previous two that I have mentioned.

First, there is the issue of willful ignorance. This time, however, instead of professing an alternate, pseudo-science the “Birthers” instead, cling to a “Pseudo-law.” This pseudo-law ignores the fact that every legitimate legal opinion refutes their claims, that there is long standing case law contrary to their position, and that the statutes that they cite do not actually say what they claim they say.

The concept of the powerful few who are able to manipulate thousands of underlings is well represented in this theory. Dupes, or co-conspirators include the conservative judges on the U.S. supreme court, (in fact they include every judge who has presided over any case remotely related to this CT), the Hawaiian governor (a republican) and her administrative staff including the head of the Hawaiian department of Health as well as the Official State Registrar, the Main stream media, Congress, the Senate, and secretaries of every state in the union. Like the other CTists before them, one gets the distinct impression that the adherents to this CT are so socially disconnected and insecure about their place in life around them that they have to present themselves as champions of the Constitution, mentally and morally above all those who don’t accept their ideas

Just as the last two CTs faded away, it is only a matter of time before the “birther” movement will also take it’s place in the scrap heap of internet folly. But until then, I am enjoying watching the birthers make complete fools of themselves.
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17 months ago: What are contrails? As a jet flies, moisture is released from the jet engines. If the jet is high enough in the sky where the humidity is generally low (very little moisture), then the moisture released from the engines of the jet immediately forms ice crystals because of the speed of the jet through the cool air. That is the trail that forms behind the jet. Like seeing your breath on a cold day in winter.

Contrails never last more than a few seconds because water is a heat conductor, so it absorbs the heat of all the air around it, and the heat of the sun. That's why when you see a contrail behind a jet, it disappears as quickly as it appears, and the trail stays the same length the entire time as the jet flies overhead because it is constantly being replenished as fast as it disappears.

You will never see a contrail appear among clouds because clouds form in high humidity, generally at low altitudes. Clouds are a direct result of high humidity. Contrails form in low humidity, and dissipate just as quickly.

If the trail behind the jet is thick and/or the trail persists even as the jet has flown out of sight, then what you see is not a contrail. It is not water vapor, but rather must consist of some other particulates. Most people call them 'chemtrails', chem being short for chemical.

After WWII, England admitted to spraying the population with all kinds of elements as experiments. In the '50s, the CIA used car exhaust, and subway ventilation systems to spray elements in NYC as experiments.

Watch the sky.

Ignore the hot air put out by such imbeciles as Alferd P, and listen to all the patriotic Americans around you that are trying to show you that you are being lied to. Look at the abundance of actual evidence, and stop listening to the likes of traitors such as Alfred P. who is even too afraid to give his full name. LOL
Alferd P
Alferd P
Washington, DC
17 months ago: Thank you Bruno for proving my point.

17 months ago: That you are a traitor, or that you are an imbecile? Those are the only two points that can be gathered from your incessant dribble.

Peace.
Alferd P
Alferd P
Washington, DC
17 months ago: That chemies are idiots

Have a nice day.

:)
17 months ago: Glad you stick to your foundation of science and hard facts. LOL. Your attempts at discrediting the truth have been nipped in the bud. Mark this as yet another win for the truth.
17 months ago: A great piece Alferd. I once debated a "truther" CT for days (on a blog) and broke down every reasonable piece of his "evidence" except the issues that were neither provable or non-proveable. The debate ended with the CT not relenting because of this. After this experience I looked into CTs and found as you mentioned here that most CTs that are die hard conspiracy theories are because of this evidence which is unable to be proven or not proven. Thus the CT always has something to cling to. Thanks for the great read.
17 months ago: Nice one Jakarta99. You said just about nothing. LOL. Clear indisputable scientific evidence has been presented regarding chemtrails, and all you can do is talk about CTs, conspiracy theories, and intangibles about debates.

I think you find discussing any matter of significance, because you keep running up against science and hard facts that get in the way of your feelings and opinions. LOL. Dare you discuss anything with me? Try presenting any sort of good reasoning for your belief in 'persistent contrails' versus chemtrails.

Whacha got tough guy? LOL
17 months ago: Well Bruno I'll have you know I've studied Chemtrails for at least five minutes now. Though I would not care to give an opinion on the matter even with this amount of knowledge on the subject I noticed from the top listed Chemtrails site (Chemtrails911) that it states explicitly on the intro to chemtrails page that quote " Test results from Chemtrials have returned positive for aluminum, barium, bacteria, virus, human blood, and molds. These chemicals are being sprayed in our skies. It's in our air we breathe at levels that are deemed unsafe." there is a link attached to "Test results". However when I followed the link the page opens with "Shocking Phoenix Air Quality Test Results " many other so called air test results follow and when I finally find a link to "Lab Analysis
of chemtrails in Colorado" it is a dead link. This is in my opinion misleading journalism or what ever you would like to call it. If you have some better evidence I would be happy to look it over.
17 months ago: Oh and I'm sure I never said anything about believing in 'persistent contrails', whatever those are.
17 months ago: Never heard of the website chemtrails911. Why don't you read my first post under this thread and learn the science regarding the difference between contrails and chemtrails.

'Persistent contrails' is what you are arguing on the side of. LOL. Are you even aware of the issue here? Let's get this straight. You believe contrails for some reason will stay in the sky and spread into cirrus clouds ever since the mid '90s, but not before then, because the atmosphere has for some reason changed since then. You blame the atmosphere for 'persistent contrails' that become clouds.

Read my first post, and you should begin to question your perception of what is going on above us in the sky, or why don't you tell us why 'persistent contrails' are legit?
17 months ago: I see the problem now Bruno. You either did not read all of the material above or you just did not comprehend it. My initial comment was directed toward what Alferd referred to as "truthers" these are 911 conspiracy theorists who believe that the government was involved in the 911 attacks or at the very least knew about them and did not stop them. Though I would imagine you have colorful opinions on this subject as well it is a different subject than the one you keep referencing here. I suspect this inadequacy on your behalf may be integrated with the presumptions you hold on various degrees of activity. This however I will contend is only an observance on my part. Oh yes LOL.
17 months ago: Okay, in that case, you are just about the most naïve person around if you believe the 'official' 9-11 story. 110 story buildings can not turn themselves into powder in 10 seconds no matter what they tell you. Try clapping your hands 110 times in 10 secs. You will never make it to 50, yet you believe 110 story steel skyscrapers turned themselves into powder in 10 secs? LOL Did you see 110 stories stacked on top of each other, or powder several inches thick spread out over 75 acres? They were lined with explosives and brought down in controlled demolition.

And then of course there is Building 7. You probably never heard of Building 7. It came down on 9-11 at 5:20 pm. 47 stories tall, it came down in 6.5 secs - straight down, an obvious controlled demolition.

When it comes to 9-11, you are not arguing with me, you are arguing with the laws of physics. LOL. Over 600 professional architects and engineers tell us that all you need is the video footage to prove that all three world trade center towers were brought down in controlled demolition. ae911truth.org. Go argue with them. LOL

This is serious business. Your country has been hijacked and is under attack from within. What are you going to do about it? Keep making excuses? Pretend it's not happening? Or man up and stand up for your family and your country?

Patriotic Americans all around you are trying to wake you up.
17 months ago: It is the laws of physics that you so strongly wave about which reduces your case to shoe scrapings. When you take a commercial passenger jet loaded with fuel and fly it into a large building around three quarters of the way up you are basically inserting a large quantity of flammable fuel into a concentrated area in the center of the building. The building withstands the initial impact however as the heat increases in the center of the impact area it corrupts the integrity of the steel beams which are holding up the weight of the upper portion of the building. when a critical temperature is reached the steel beams give way and the upper portion falls onto the lower portion causing a chain reaction. Since the planes struck in the center of the buildings the heat concentrated in the center causing the center beams to give way first and also causing the so call demolition appearance which you speak of.
There is one thing you mentioned which I partially agree with Bruno. I believe America is going on a ride down a hazardous road but I do not believe it is from being hijacked. We are being lead by a nose ring called government hand outs and goodies just as Venezuela and many other countries are and have done in the past. It always starts out sweet but ends in complete failure.
17 months ago: 90% of the jet fuel, aka kerosene, burnt off in the initial explosion. The rest burnt off in at most 15 minutes after that. No matter how much kerosene burned, it couldn't possibly burn hot enough to melt steel; otherwise, your pots and pans, and stove would melt in the kitchen.

Let's use actual numbers here. These are the laws of physics. The fires, no matter what size (they were small and isolated according to the FDNY firefighters inside the towers that day) didn't get much hotter than 400°F, but let's pretend they got as hot as 1200°F as some claim, that's still not nearly hot enough to do anything to the steel. Steel melts at 2750°F, and does not begin weaken until 2500°F. That's why they build skyscrapers out of steel. The fires were more than 1000° too cool to do anything to the steel.

Steel is also an incredible heat conductor. That means steel passes on heat to all the steel around it quickly. The twin towers were built out of masses amount of steel. 47 massive steel columns made up the core. These columns were interlocked with massive steel beams. Every floor was made of steel, and the towers were both wrapped in a massive steel grids. You believe all that steel vanished by itself in 10 seconds? Seriously bro, go to that website of architects and engineers and watch their presentation. ae911truth.org. Last year, there were a couple hundred of them, and now there over 600 professional architects and engineers. The number is growing quickly.

I want you to remember here that this is not a game. We are talking treason. This is serious business. Pretending later to be ignorant of the science will not excuse your siding with traitors. This is serious business. But I suppose that's why you won't give your real name, because you know that you are spewing treacherous BS.
17 months ago:
And you better believe that Obama works for the same oligarchs that have hijacked this nation. A great video for you to watch, and you can watch it for free on GOOGLE VIDEO, is called THE OBAMA DECEPTION. It was released a weak ago. You will begin to learn who has hijacked our great nation.

Peace brother. We need you to wake up. We need your help.
17 months ago: To Alfred P.:
Where on earth did you come up with the statistic that the Chemtrails "CT" died in 2003. Have you been to YouTube recently, they have hundreds of home videos documenting that this is happening on a daily basis. I woke up this morning and starting at 6:30 dozens of military aircraft flew over my house leaving chemtrails streaking all across the sky. I live in Santa Barbara, CA (right between Vandenberg AFB in Lompoc and Port Hueneme NSWC to my south). The planes are still running these operations right now as I'm typing this. This is not a hoax, its not fake, and its not funny. Please do your research, and try to open your mind. This isn't the first time a great country has fallen into the hands of dictators (The FED). Watch the movies Zeitgeist, Zeitgeist Addendum, Obama Deception, From Freedom to Fascism, do some research yourself, and think about. If at that point you still disagree with us, that's fine, everyone is entitled their own opinion (including us so-called "conspiracy theorists"). For if this is still truly the beautiful country for which our forefathers sacrificed everything to establish a nation on principles of inalienable rights and democracy then the beauty lies in our freedom to question Government, demand answers, and hold it accountable for its actions. When you believe everything you are fed by our politicians and media unconditionally, you are not doing your duty as a citizen. When nobody questions the government (for fear, ignorance, or lack interest) I assure you tyranny and oppression will be soon to follow.
17 months ago: That being said, let me now address the presumptions you've made about the psychology and belief systems of "CTs." I don't think I'm any more important than anyone else and I have great friends and an amazing family, I love my job and the life I lead. Its my friends and family that I want to protect, so I see government deception and the oppression and exploitation of innocent people, I question our leadership and research and it for myself. I am not irrational, ignorant, or egotistical, I simply have an open mind and skeptical disposition. So please stop harassing our beliefs, we're not trying to convert you, we just want you to open your mind to a wider spectrum of possibilities, think and analyze critically, and come up with your own opinion. I in turn however also expect to have my viewpoints respected. The world doesn't need anymore hatred or grudges, what it needs is compassion and change, and nobody can sanely argue that point. So lets stop slandering one another's beliefs and instead present facts, formulating our arguments using reason and objectivity.
17 months ago: Lets stop attacking characters and egos, and conduct ourselves as adults. Lets start sharing our knowledge and beliefs rather than advocating them as universal truths, because lets face it, none of us know enough about anything to start declaring universal truths and absolute laws. Truth and knowledge is always relative (Geocentrism...), always in a state of perpetual change, and only when we open our minds and build upon one anothers ideas (rather than striking them down) do we make any progress toward furthering our understanding of anything. We don't have to agree, but we do have to respect one another, we're all here together and I believe that in the very near future we'll need each other more than ever. So if you would like to argue against anything I've expressed here, I encourage you to do so, but please refrain from personal insults and petty remarks, they really don't help anyone and portray you in a rather childish manner.

"There are none more hopelessly enslaves than those who falsely believe that they are free!" -Goethe
Alferd P
Alferd P
Washington, DC
17 months ago: Thank you KiP, for proving my point that the die hard chemies are still out there, but totally marginalized.

Alferd P
Alferd P
Washington, DC
17 months ago: BTW, Chemies, these are for you

http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/8/1689/2008/acp-8-1689-2008.html

http://www.ecmwf.int/about/special_projects/gierens_ice_supersaturation/index.html

http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU2007/03676/EGU2007-J-03676.pdf

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001JGR...10617253J

17 months ago: Bruno you have some numbers right but you neglected to input several variables as most CTs seem to do. True jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F. This is not hot enough to melt structural steel. However engineers have determined that for the World Trade Center towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength. Steel will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel will also become distorted when heat is not a uniform temperature.
I have little doubt this one will come up. The twin towers were designed to withstand impacts from commercial jets. However "truther" CTs always manage to forget that the buildings were designed in the 1960's when commercial jets were smaller and carried less fuel.
We can play pass the potato as long as you wish but eventually you will end up with only those issues which can neither be proven nor disproved.
17 months ago: I think my work is done here. Any person with an objective mind that reads this thread will get what they need to understand the truth of these matters.

Alferd and Jakarta, you are parroting false science like a good sheep. Steel does not weaken until 2500°F and kerosene could never melt steel no matter what numbers you throw into the mix.

I love the way you ignore the fact that massive amounts of steel made up the intense structure of the twin towers, as if it never existed. And you ignore the fact the towers vanished into powder in 10 seconds.

And you completely ignore Building 7. But I can rest assured that anybody reading this thread will have by now visited http://www.ae911truth.org, something you will never do because you dare not face over 600 professional architects and engineers with your childish antics.

Peace and strength,

grow up soon, your country needs you
17 months ago: I'm sorry Bruno. But my interest in this debate is about as short as the time it takes to find holes in you theories. I pulled this quote from one of your 911 truther CT sites in about two minutes. If you guys want people to take you seriously you should at least get your stories to match. I will follow the quote with the site link, you may get some new friends there. God bless, Jakarta

"At temperatures above 800° C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. 1 Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, "

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/fires/steel.html

Monte Letourneau
Monte Letourneau
Necedah, WI
17 months ago: you know the chem trails are real, because, like dude says, h2o particles never ever persist!
you know that's true because clouds don't ever exist, and they are made of water particles!
so, since clouds don't exist, there has never been such a thing as a persistent contrail!
of course, as Bruno pointed out, clouds only form at low altitude, you can tell that the "contrails" are higher than the clouds because the clouds are always behind the contrails when you look at them from the ground.
i know the conspiracies all exist, because that is what the conspirators conspire to do, conspire.
some would say that it doesn't matter who is in cahoots with who because those who think they have power will act to preserve the mechanisms of power, and that any power over another is actually just a shared illusion, but i know that if we killed the head conspirator all our problems would be solved and utopian practices would unstoppably break out everywhere.
There is no evidence at all that the way we behave as individuals and citizens has any impact on all these conspiracies controlling everyone but me, or that any collective actions by the body politic at large could ever make such conspiracies moot, much less diminish the awesome power they weild over the rest of you ninnies.
So there, i have EMPIRICALLYIST proved that i am the only one who understands what is really going on inside the objectivated tryth, so there. HAH!

Monte Letourneau
Monte Letourneau
Necedah, WI
17 months ago: oh, and also, as well as, and additionally...
so there
Monte Letourneau
Monte Letourneau
Necedah, WI
17 months ago: let's see you refute that!
17 months ago: Monte.........I....I...never looked at it that way....I see it now...I see it all....you made me believe Monte! Thank you Monte it is all so clear now! The only thing that is not clear is the green cheese conspiracy, dang green cheesers.
prsmith
prsmith
Houston, TX
17 months ago: Re. us "Birthers", please answer one question:

Why has AKA Obama hired several hi-powered law firms and spent upwards of a million tax payer dollars trying to prevent us from seeing a $15 birth certificate that my son had to produce to play T-Ball?

Because where there's smoke - there's fire?
prsmith
prsmith
Houston, TX
17 months ago: P.S. Good to hear from you again, Alferd. Maybe this time you'll actually answer the question?
Alferd P
Alferd P
Washington, DC
17 months ago: What firms are these? P.R. ?

Do you have the names of the firms and what particular law suit the worked on?

I read some where that the Attorney that represented him in the Keyes lawsuit worked pro bono and didn't even bother to show up when the judge tossed the case out of court.

prsmith
prsmith
Houston, TX
17 months ago: What difference does it make? Zip. Answer the question for a change.
Alferd P
Alferd P
Washington, DC
17 months ago: What question? You can't even prove that any money was actually spent by Obama.

prsmith
prsmith
Houston, TX
17 months ago: OK, Alferd. Let's get down to the basics. Why is AKA Obama hiding his records from the people? What is he hiding?
Alferd P
Alferd P
Washington, DC
17 months ago: Who cares? His school transcripts are totally irrelvant to the office of POTUS.
prsmith
prsmith
Houston, TX
17 months ago: I said nothing about school transcripts - even though they are important to the question.

You're avoiding the question and you sound like an idiot. If you can't answer a simple question, participate in a civilized discussion, then go away.

Until the truth comes out and proves otherwise, AKA Obama HAS hired law firms and HAS spent considerable money protecting his true identity, hi IS a usurper and a traitor and he will get no respect from many people in this nation.
paranoyd
paranoyd
San Marcos, CA
14 months ago: Awesome. One rant about CTs and they come out of the woodwork.

Bruno, you are a lunatic. Get help.
KIP, you as well.
prsmith - Obama released his birth certificate - the same one your kid had to show. A copy, not the original. Right-wing sources have verified it. And you are the one who is not answering any questions. In other words - Citation Needed.
10 months ago: prsmith--can you offer ANYTHING to substantiate this comment:

"AKA Obama HAS hired law firms and HAS spent considerable money protecting his true identity"

didn't think so. It's easy to say, "prove he didn't"--but when challenged to actually support your contentions, you --("I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED to find there's gambling going on here!") --of course change the subject. The telltale sign of the batsh*t crazy birfer...
psikeyhackr
psikeyhackr
Glenview, IL
8 months ago: Let’s just face a few simple facts.

Skyscrapers MUST hold themselves up. They must also sway in the wind. The people who design skyscrapers MUST figure out how much steel and how much concrete they are going to put on every level before they even dig the hole for the foundation.

After EIGHT YEARS why don’t we have a table specifying the TONS of STEEL and TONS of CONCRETE that were on every level of WTCs 1&2? The NIST report does not even specify the TOTAL for the concrete. The total for the steel is in three places. So even if the planes did it that 10,000 page report is CRAP!

Conspiracies are irrelevant. The Truth Movement should be marching on all of the engineering schools in the country.

Watch that Purdue simulation. If a 150 ton airliner crashes near the top of a skyscraper at 440 mph isn’t the building going to sway? Didn’t the survivors report the building “moving like a wave”? So why do the core columns in the Purdue video remain perfectly still as the plane comes in?

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