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Big Govt.? Small Govt.? How About LIMITED Government?

Posted 12 months ago|7 comments|417 views
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BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
After much thought and research, I have come to the conclusion that the whole Big Govt vs Small Govt discussion is invalid. I know of no one who truly advocates small government per se. SMALLER govt., most assuredly, but not SMALL government. Reading the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution - including the federalist papers - I see nothing DIRECTLY addressing the size of government.

What I DO see is the concept of LIMITED government - limited in SCOPE, limited in POWER. The 10th Amendment is all about limiting the scope and power of the central government. Here is the 10 Amendment in its entirety: (all 27 words)
Amendment 10
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to
the people.

The import is clear. The central government has ONLY the powers EXPLICITLY GRANTED it in the Constitution. EVERY OTHER power or right is reserved to the States or to the people. Period.

The constitution is a fence to CONTAIN the central government. It says "Thus far you may go AND NO FARTHER!". Article I, Section 8 has a list of some 20 powers Congress is authorized to exercise. Article I, Section 9 has a long list of things Congress is NOT authorized to do. Article II lists what the Executive is authorized to do. Article III addresses the power of the Judiciary.

In the Founders' minds, the central government had no power or authority NOT EXPLICITLY GRANTED IT in the Constitution. That is the essence of limited government.

Given the history of the decades before the framing of the Constitution, it is easy to see why the Founders were of this mindset. They were still recovering from a war fought against an essentially unlimited government in the person of the English Crown and the Parliament. They wanted a government that had very explicit and well defined boundaries. They wanted no part of unlimited, overreaching government - and took great pains to see that such never arose.

In the Declaration of Independence, the Founders articulated their vision of the purpose of government - to protect the Creator-endowed rights of men. In the Constitution they devised a framework for a system to do that - AND NO MORE.

In part 2 of this essay, I shall attempt to articulate what I believe to be a rule of thumb for the maximum size of government.

In closing this part, I would ask of those who seem so enamored of ever growing government this question.

How likely do you think it is that a government large enough and powerful enough to do everything you think it should do would be interesting in doing anything YOU want it to do?
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12 months ago: BadCyborg...

You aren't all BAD...
Your closing statement nails it !:]
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
12 months ago: The role of the federal government should be to handle those things that the States alone cannot.

There are many circumstances and eventualities that the founders could not know about. They knew that however and allowed the Constitution to be open ended and able to evolve as new situations arise.

For example pollution knows no borders so the federal government must be able to regulate minimum standards and guidelines that are above all states so citizens of one state do not have to suffer from the pollution from their greedier neighbor states upriver or up wind.

We as a nation must have education standards, health standards, food standards, safety standards, etc. etc. that set up minimums the states are free to exceed. For example California is allowed to exceed minimum pollution standards to regulate green house gases, but no state should be allowed to spread disease, or pathogens to other states.

The purpose of government is to protect the citizens of the entire country and that means that sometimes the Federal government must protect all of the people from one or more states that are willing to allow big corporations to pollute or otherwise harm people for profit.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago:
"We as a nation must have education standards, health standards, food standards, safety standards, etc. etc. that set up minimums the states are free to exceed. For example California is allowed to exceed minimum pollution standards to regulate green house gases, but no state should be allowed to spread disease, or pathogens to other states.

The purpose of government is to protect the citizens of the entire country"
Interesting idea. Would you happen to be able to cite part of Article 1, Section 8 that empowers congress to pass legislation to accomplish that end? Because, no matter how "noble" or "well meaning" something might be, congress cannot legislate it unless it is delegated the power to do so in Article 1, Section 8.

Remember, the constitution is the outermost boundary of the domain of activity delegated to the federal government by the SOVEREIGN STATES from whom the federal government derives its authority. If the several states wish to cede more power/authority to the federal government, they are able to do so - BY MEANS OF A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT!
12 months ago: Sounds like a Libertarian position.

Define the SPECIFIC elements that the government should manage -- all levels of government, not just federal. Then limit them to dealing with those issues and funding those issues. The rest can be dealt with at the local level by private interests.

Result, a significantly reduced level of taxation, charitable organizations get increased support based on local need and the interest of the citizens in that area, private enterprise engages with the appropriate competition to provide services as efficiently as possible.

A lot of politicians and bureaucrats become unemployed and need to find something productive to do.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
12 months ago: Edward, as I wrote in my post originally, Article 1, section 8 defines what the Federal Government is specifically authorized/empowered to do and section 9 lists the areas/actions specifically prohibited to the legislature. If it isn't specifically authorized in Article 1, section 8 then congress - and by extension the federal government as a whole - MUST not do it. PERIOD!!!

A return the boundaries set for the federal government by the constitution would of necessity reduce the size of the federal government.
"A lot of politicians and bureaucrats become unemployed and need to find something productive to do."
Don't know about the politicians but the bureaucrats aren't doing a whole heck of a lot of productive work NOW!

Altruist wrote:
"The role of the federal government should be to handle those things that the States alone cannot."
WRONG! It should be to do what is authorized in Article 1, Section 8 - AND ONLY THAT!!!
"There are many circumstances and eventualities that the founders could not know about. They knew that however and allowed the Constitution to be open ended and able to evolve as new situations arise."
If by "evolve" you mean be amended, then you are correct. There is no other mechanism in the constitution for it to "evolve". Any right or power "not not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States" is off limits to the federal government. If enough people believe that the federal government should be delegated a given power, the constitution can be amended. Any other method for changing the constitution VIOLATES that selfsame constitution.

12 months ago: Actually Badcyborg, the interpretation of the constitution can evolve through the court interpretations of what the words mean. I don't want to open up the entire argument of 'activist justices', however as technology, medicine, and society evolves, the interpretation of laws and how they relate to the constitution also evolve.

A prime example would be the laws revolving around votes for women, and the 'colour laws. Realistically, it was the interpretation of various federal and state laws in relation to the constitution that led to the 'evolution' of the constitutional framework. The provision for this was in fact provided in the constitution as the supreme court and its function was established by the constitution.

12 months ago: Government has gone to far and reaches to far, We lost our freedoms back when they decided what one could or could not consume legally. Thats not a question for politics or government or for anyone to regulate. When the people allow, as they have, they are allowing Communism, and thats where we are headed.

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