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Bicycles in the City: Licence and Insure


Posted 8 Months Ago|49 Comments|323 Views
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Fuel is up again. Bicycles are looking better, for both financial and health reasons. But with the convenience of a bicycle comes responsibility. How many times have I heard or read of a bicycle rider mowing down a pedestrian. Kyle Smith, a columnist for the New York Post brought the point home quite capably in his column today in the New York Post. He was himself knocked over by a bicyclist who screamed verbal abuse at him for refracting the trajectory of a moving bicycle with his body mass. In the first two paragraphs of his article on dangerous cyclists, Smith was able to cite three additional New York Post editorial staffers who are currently nursing injuries involving a collective combination of crutches, a broken rib and serious abrasions. Clearly this problem is not anecdotal.

Clearly we are not dealing with an anomalous cluster of freak accidents. There are two problems that contribute to "bicycle madness". One problem is that there are no codified and publicised rules for bicyclists. We need to have a strip of large roads in which bicyclists have the right of way. Beyond this, it should be made clear that bicycles must obey all traffic laws that apply to cars and motorcycles. Bicycle riders should be required to have a licence identifying them and to insure their bicycles. There should be plates identifying a bicycle and engraved identification numbers to deter bicycle theft. There should be mandatory insurance covering injury and property damage as well as theft. Most importantly, a cyclist should be required to remain at the scene of an accident and wait for law enforcement. Failure to do so should result in the same penalties as would be incumbent upon a fleeing motorist. There should be special penalties for assaulting or threatening someone who is party to an accident involving a bicycle.

All these measures are common sense. By combining these measures with helmet requirements and safety training, the safety of bicyclists, pedestrians and motorists could be vastly improved. The city could also collect taxes and fees for regulating cyclists that could be used to make them safer on city streets.

In general, I am very critical of the city's attempt to fund raise through ticketing. Some fines have been cranked up to almost extortionate levels. I think that the New York City is harassing people with parking ticket blitzes as well as excessive sanitation ticketing. But moving violations are another story. As much as I dislike summonses, the fear of fines and points on one's licence saves lives.

Make no mistake about it. A 160 pound object hurtling down the street at 30 miles an hour can maim or kill. Anyone riding a bicycle should have the same sense of responsibility for public welfare as is felt by a motorist. Anyone who labours under the illusion that they are operating a harmless toy needs a serious wake up call.

I normally take Mayor Bloomberg to task for the eagerness with which he seems to tax and fine the citizens of New York City. But bicycles involve pressing questions of public safety. And if Bloomberg wants to raise a few bucks for the city from this , then that's fine by me.

Reprinted with permission from Rudistettner.com
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Hmmm, I'll have to research NY law for that one!

In most states a bicycle is considered a non-motorized vehicle and subject to ALL the same laws as a motorized vehicle, with the bicycle being given the right of way advantage in the street, just like a sailboat is on water.

Pedestrians have the advantage over bicycles on sidewalks and bicycles are subject to the rules of pedestrians when on sidewalks (in most states). That means that they cannot ride them like they were on the street, they have to give way to the pedestrian and should walk their bikes across streets in the crosswalks, obeying the walk/don't walk signals.

When ridden in the street, they are subject to obey stop signs and other signals that motorized vehicles are. Too often the riders do not know this and that's when they get smacked by a car and splattered all over the street. You might run a stop sign in a car and survive the broadside crash; you probably won't on a bike.
Posted 8 Months Ago
I disagree with the license and insurance, but I'm poor and most people who ride bikes are poor too. I also think that most city governments take too much in taxes, fees and fines as it is. (Youngest son went there, NYC, last year on a school choir trip and it cost me a fortune) As for law enforcement cracking down on "mad bikers", I'll support that 100%, they need to learn the rules of the road for bicycles and until they hear about the fines and jail time for running down a pedestrian that one of their buddies got, the point will not hit home.

As for the marking for theft protection, the serial number is stamped somewhere on the frame and should be registered with the local police station (if they have that program in effect). Being retired military I know we were required to register our bicycles with the base so they would know where to return them if they were found abandoned. Had to recover mine several times due to jerks wanting a quick ride to the gate.

I have a solution to the repeat bicycle on sidewalk offender, but will not print is as someone might do it and then I’d get sued by the inconsiderate bicyclist who got his/her just reward.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Local laws (like in Texas) need to include all vehicles that are allowed on the road to follow the rules (law) of the road. Bicycles in Texas are subject to traffic tickets just like any other mode of transportation that uses public access pavement. Sidewalks?
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
I really hate that 1000 character limit! I'm too wordy to say it in such a tiny amount of letters.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Lucky me I get to build abstacts for the big guys.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
"How many times have we heard of a pedestrian getting run down by a bike rider"? Um, never. I've heard of collisions caused by peds not watching where they were going and stepping into a bike lane.

More importantly, it's obvious you don't own a bike, and know nothing about cycling as evident of your use of the non-exitant term: "bike rider". Nobody uses that term but for cycling haters.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Hart444, you sound like you ride a bicycle a lot and are sensitive to any criticisms.

The term does exist in the real world, although it usually refers to motorcycle riders and I doubt that only cycling haters use it.

I do own a Specialized mountain bike but can't ride it anymore, something about getting knocked from a ladder and landing on concrete heels first that put a stop to much of my physical activities. Maybe in a couple more years……
Posted 8 Months Ago
The term you're looking for is "cyclist", not bike rider. And we ride in the street. If you're a pedestrian and you're walking in the street, I guarantee the getting hit by a cyclist is the last thing you should be worried about.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
That would be a "my bad" for insulting the cycling world. For that I do apologize. But to state a pedestrian need not worry about a "cyclist" running in 15th gear down hill with a tail wind is absurd. The little braking system with a 1/4 inch ground friction per tire is going to stop you in time? Not realistic. I have seen many "cyclists" in my little world disobeying traffic laws.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
If a pedestrian is in the street, they're the ones disobeying traffic laws, not cyclists and motorists. The sidewalk is for walking, the street is for pedaling and driving.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Here comes the real big question...

Why do we need cycle lanes and who pays for them?

You want to cycle and have your own lanes then get a tag for your vehicle and not only obey the road laws but pay the tax and additional insurance. Why should the rest of us give you a free lane?

Don't worry joggers are next on my list.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
The real question is, when will people learn to take care of themselves? If a pedestrian is hurt from an angry bicyclist they can file charges or if they want money they can sue that is why we have courts. But if I have to pay insurance to ride my bike I won't ride it because I would rather spend the money fly fishing because I still do not need insurance for any hooks that might get caught on an idiot standing behind me.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
LOL, where did you get the idiotic notion that cyclists don't pay taxes for roads?
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Do you have Homeowners insurance? I'm guessing so. Do you have a sidewalk down by the street that runs across your yard? I'm guessing so. Ice it over and let someone slip and crack their head. Who is liable? Colorado, I do respect you but to say that because you do not feel it appropriate to be burdened with the cost because your a "safe driver" of your cycle does not lessen the total burden of cost and loss from the entire population.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
I'm glad you thought that was funny. I didn't say that cyclists didn't pay road taxes (on their licensed vehicles). I said they don't pay road taxes on their un-licensed cycles. Or am I wrong? You actually pay a road tax for every cycle you own? Something tells me the answer will be, No, I do not pay a registration or road tax for legal operation of my cycle(s) on public access roads.

Why do you deserve cycle lanes? Are the cycles (not to be confused with the cyclists) paying for them?
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
LOL, you actually think roads and bike lanes are paid for by vehicle registration fees and insurance policies? Man, are you ignorant.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
No, I think roads are paid for by GAS TAXES. Cycle lanes pay none. Pedal that.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
Here's what should be happening, states and cities should be PAYING cyclists for the service they provide their community.

When you look at the amount of vehicle traffic congestion that cyclists alleviate, there can be no doubt that motorists owe a debt of gratitude to those who commute to work by bicycle.

When you consider the amount of pollution that causes asthma in children that cyclists are preventing from being dumped into the air of our cities, you surely must agree that such bike commuters deserve a tax break for every mile they pedal.

And when you look at the tens of millions saved by state and county health services by cyclists improved physical condition, there can be no doubt that cyclists are doing a service to their communities that deserves compensation.

At the very least, you should be thanking us cyclists for what we do for you cagers.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Gas tax pays for only a third of road funds. And when you consider that bike lanes are not friction eroded at even a measurable level compared to auto lanes, it becomes obvious that the cost of bike lanes something every motorist should be proud to contribute to.
http://www.transalt.org/files/newsroom/magazine/032Spring/02provocateur.html
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
That might hold some truth if I ever saw a cyclist performing a job without circumventing road law.

All of our so called cycle lanes as mandated by the government down here are a dry hole. In 10 years I can count on one hand how many cyclists I have seen using a urban cycle lane. I don't know about Portland... I'm guessing ya'll might ride cycles 20 miles to work and back another 20 miles at the end of your day. Something tells me it is not a probable.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
Why in the world would somebody live 20 miles from the place they worked? You've have to be an idiot to live such an unsustainable lifestyle.

Over 17,000 Portlanders commute to work by cycle across the Williamette river to the downtown area each day.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
I guess over 70% of the U.S. are idiots. Me for one. I guess I'm a double idiot as I commute 40 miles one way to work.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
Cypress, I am just stirring the pot here a bit to see what happens. If bicycling ever becomes so huge, then cities and local governments can start requiring insurance because if that is what helps society function more efficiently. However, please no nation-wide requirement. I live on a small ranch in the Colorado Rockies that is 20 miles from town and I bike a lot. There are no sidewalks and no pedestrians.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
70% of Americans most definitely DO NOT commute more than 20 miles. Here's some real stats for you, Texas:

# More than half of all Americans live less than five miles from where they work according to Bicycling magazine.

# About 12 bicycles can be parked in the space required for one automobile.

# Traffic jams in the 29 major cities cost commuters an estimated $24.3 billion each year.

# One hundred bicycles can be produced for the same energy and resources it takes to build one medium-sized automobile.

# The average cost of a new car in the U.S. is $13,532. The average cost of a new bicycle in the U.S. is $385.

# Industrial world cities typically use at least one third of their land for roads and parking lots for motor vehicles. Commuting by bicycle produces zero pollution.

Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Hart, Thank you for the term correction and you are correct in that cyclists should ride in the street, with traffic and pedestrians (Peds) should walk on the sidewalk or if none, in the street FACING traffic. I believe the problem with Peds being run down by cyclists in NYC and other urban areas is because the cyclists are riding on the sidewalks OR running the traffic signals while Peds are in the crosswalks. Illegal operation of their bicycles is not justified by Peds being in the street, even an automobile is required to give way to the Peds in the street, not that the Ped is there legally, it’s just the way the laws are written, to protect those on foot.

TCG is correct in the inadequacy of a standard bicycle braking system and lack of ground contact to provide stopping friction. When I rode regularly, my brakes were set so that I could lock the tires up if I tried hard enough, of course that is not the optimum method, but to be able to do so meant that my brakes worked to their fullest at all times (if the tire breaks traction and begins to skid, it will not stop you as quickly as a tire still rotating, see automotive ABS). Even with that set up, riding on a sidewalk at full speed would be suicidal for me and bad for a Ped who shouldn’t have to look out for me while walking.
Posted 8 Months Ago
TCG, we need cycle lanes to keep the traffic flowing in areas where lots of cyclists are using their body power to get to work, shopping or just exercising. With cycle lanes, autos do not have to wait for a place to pass, nor do they even have to slow down, as I said in earlier posts, bicycles have the right of way (ROW) over autos and Peds over bicycles. The laws are on the books and have been for decades. As for who pays for the bike lanes, we all do and gladly as I want the main lane free of cyclists and I want cyclists to be safe and feel safe in their own lane, the price is not that high. As for it being free to a cyclist who does not own an auto, they do pay taxes and they do buy tires so they do contribute, even if it is only a small portion of the total cost.

Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t a person’s auto or home owners insurance be required to cover any injuries they caused while riding a bicycle? Maybe not their own but someone else’s? Been a while since I had a law class and insurance wasn’t really part of it. I really don’t think they would have to sue to get their medical bills paid either.

Colorado, I believe that you are wrong in the fishhook snagging. You would be liable for the injured person’s medical bills as you are the sportsman with the fishing license and I’m sure that license comes with certain restrictions and one of them is that you cannot harm someone else with your fishing gear. Besides, it’s the right thing to do. That and you should know where you are swinging your tackle; otherwise you are going to catch a lot of trees. Ask a lawyer if you doubt my understanding of the law. I too wish people would learn to take care of themselves!
Posted 8 Months Ago
TCG, that sidewalk thing is one of those quirks that really bothers me. The city builds it and then makes the homeowner/property owner liable for anything that happens on it! Sometimes! Had a friend who stepped on a manhole cover in the sidewalk and fell through breaking his leg, couldn’t get either to take responsibility for his injuries, hospital bill or lost wages, should have sued them both but he wasn’t smart enough to know he had a case and I didn’t meet him until years afterward.

TCG, Hart, gas taxes don’t really pay much toward road building or upkeep, not even the one third mentioned. The money comes from other revenue sources otherwise we would be driving and riding on a lot more dirt or gravel roads than we are now. They just cost too much and the governments that collect the taxes and other fees have to work hard to fund each project along with all the other things the citizens want the government to pay for.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart, I live a little over seven miles from the largest town in the county, where 90% of the jobs are, the next closest place of employment for my skills is 48 miles away. People live where they feel comfortable and in my case, where the family land is. I could move closer to the jobs but it would cost me so much money to do so I would not profit from it for at least 20 years, wages for my type of work are just not that high in this area. They are some of the highest for an hourly employee in the state, but the cost to live here is also very high and to move closer adds other costs that I do not have. All that I just said is theoretical because I do not work anymore but if I did I would have to commute because many of the jobs in this area have moved to Mexico or just plain dried up. As for being an idiot for living more than 20 miles from work, I think not and a few million others back me up as they don’t want to live “in the city” either, to many people, too much traffic and no night sky.

TCG, sorry you have to commute but at least you do work and that is always a plus, unless you are retired like me. Retired and disabled so I’m doubly lazy in some peoples eyes but I don’t care, I think I earned what little I get.

Been fun but I think this one is about run its course unless someone out there has a fresh opinion on it and would like to share it with the world.
Posted 8 Months Ago
As the cycling commute revolution ramps up, as it clearly already is, these issues will become more mainstream. All the more reason to have a solid cycling infrastructure that keeps bikes and peds, and bikes and cars safe from one another. Though there is already plenty of money for such things. Really all you have to do is restripe the lanes for the protection of all parties, though the rate of peds injured by cyclists is about 1000 times less than cyclists injured or killed by motorists.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
http://www.massbike.org/info/statistics.htm

http://www.transalt.org/files/resources/blueprint/chapter17/chapter17c.html

Old info but gives some insight on the suituations.
Posted 8 Months Ago
And for those of you unfamiliar with what a sustainable community looks like, here's LAB platinum certified Boulder, CO:

http://www.streetfilms.org/archives/boulder-goes-bike-platinum/
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Ok, i thought I was done with this one but Boulder Colorado got brought in. I was born in Boulder and my grandmother and other family members still live there.

Boulder is not a sustainable community for even upper middle class American's. The town has focused on a green Liberal township. ( This is not a bad thing) However, they have focused on open space, bike paths, and green energy in a fashion that has not worked for most citizens. My family had to sell and move away from our family because taxes on property and sales was incredibly high. In the last 10 years since my family moved, 5 out of the 11 elementary schools have shut down from lack of funding. 3 out of the 7 middle schools in the county shut down. 2 out of the 4 high schools shut down. Because of the school closings most average and lower class citizens moved away.

The point of all of this is that Boulder is not a good model for a community. It works for the Upper Liberal class and they pay for it. They have a "nirvana" for biking, but at a big cost.

This whole argument seems to be focused on payment, capitalism is a wonderful thing, if enough people start biking then the infrastructure and the "insurance" will work itself out. But it can not be forced. It will come if people want it. Boulder has forced it.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
It sure looks like people wanted it, and they built it. Taxes are necessary things, as any capitalist should know.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
yes taxes are, but average and lower class American's can not afford to live in Boulder. Middle class american's are the ones that sit in traffic and they are the ones that will bike to work. If they can not afford the taxes it doesn't work.

Any good capitalist also knows that the highers the taxes the lower the standard of living for citizens.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
You assume that standard of living is solely based on income. I've worked under the poverty line for ten years, yet I can report a high standard of living because of the community I live in and it's sustainable infrastructure. Because of the hundreds of miles of bike lanes and bike boulevards here in Portland, I have no need for a car, which saves me thousands of dollars a year in gas and maintnance. And I'm not alone. Every year, hundreds of families in this city decide to sell their SUVs and minivans in favor of cargo bikes and metrofiets.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3633/3493377104_8b264086ec.jpg
http://blog.pennlive.com/positiveparenting/2009/01/large_madsen.jpg
http://photos2.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/d/e/c/4/highres_7977028.jpeg
http://2008.heraldextra.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=117177&g2_serialNumber=2
http://www.sustainablecitiesnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/firstphoto.jpg
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Then there you go, the only point I was making never use Boulder as a model for the benefits of biking. I love biking all of time. Thanks for the links too, there were nice.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Colorado
Westcliffe, CO
Well, since Boulder is only one of three U.S. cities to earn LAB's platinum status, I think a few people besides me might disagree with you.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Hart, You say you worked under the poverty line for ten years. Please clarify. Do you mean you earn less than the poverty level from all sources of income?

Also, do you own a home, as in no mortgage or rent payment?

I've found that some people who claim to live on pennies a day usually have no real bills either, their homes were paid for by thier parents or inherited, they don't have a vehicle (as you don't) and they don't heat and cool their homes like normal people. Just curious as I have little income and huge bills.

As for the capitalism and taxes thing, there are limits and they have obviously been exceeded in Boulder, otherwise the lower earning citizens would still be there.

Using the term "class" is sometimes not acceptable and since the discussion was about money, not social standing......
Posted 8 Months Ago
Yeah, I earn below the poverty line and I pay rent, phone, gas, electric, and cable on top of that. If I had to shill out thousands on a car every year, I'd be too poor to afford the things that actually matter.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Is your cable subsidised? How do yo afford cable and highspeed internet if your living "below the poverty line"?

Seems like your milking the **** for every drop.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
Wait! I just figured it out!!!

You cycle your laptop to a JAVA cafe (which you can't afford) and beg for penniens on the curb until you have enough to buy a Latte and get free wi-fi.

I'm going to start looking at three wheelers with baskets on the back.
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
I just told you, I afford those things because I don't waste money on a stupid car. Figure it out, Texas.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
No to quote you...

Yeah, I earn below the poverty line and I pay rent, phone, gas, electric, and cable on top of that. If I had to shill out thousands on a car every year, I'd be too poor to afford the things that actually matter.

So you figure it out. You earn below the poverty line (whatever that is). You pay Rent (your landlord is laughing all the way to the bank as your also paying his/hers taxes), phone (is that a landline or cell or bothe and how many), electric (why your green), cable??? this one has me confused as I wonder why you would pay for such a thing wasting your families food dollars so you can sit back and wacth TV (using more electricity). Seems like your the one that needs to look at the real perspectives in life. Me I'm grounded. I grow much of my own food. Can you say that? Or are you still collecting grant money to go to grad school?
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
Do all Texans resort to insults and trying to prove their egos after they lose an argument?
Posted 8 Months Ago
Hart444
Portland, OR
Nope. Most of us have nothing to prove. Unlike Oreganders.
You don't like your own words being thrown back at you? Maybe you need to consider what you lay down in print next time.

In your mind the argument was lost... along with whatever substances might be included... Can I suggest a 12 step program?
Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
Bicycle enforcement generally has nothing to do with saving sweet little old ladies from marauding two-wheeled predators. It is war on the poor.

I was caught the other day by a cop who had staked out a highway bridge where cyclists who are afraid of speeding cars and trucks always ride on the empty sidewalk, even though it is littered with glass from people breaking into the parked cars. The cop got me after I had dismounted and started walking my bike, and then she called for back up because she didn't like my ID. When the other cop arrived, he talked about arresting me for a while, but then eventually let me go after a half-hour background check. Now I have to go to court!
Posted 8 Months Ago
bikefiend
New York, NY
There is room to park cars on this bridge but not ride bikes in the road? I can't blame anyone for using the sidewalk in an unsafe portion of the road and the laws vary as to whether you have to walk or can ride on the sidewalk.

Really sounds like you got screwed by an overzealous moron of a cop and a bully, my condolences, good luck in court. Of course you didn't say what you used for an ID so she might have had cause to look for help, but overall probably just a bad luck day.
Posted 8 Months Ago
Bicycle riding in traffic on that bridge is possible but terrifying, especially in the downtown direction at morning rush hour, which is when the NYPD set up a sting operation there. The sidewalk on that bridge, which has almost no pedestrian traffic at all, is a de-facto bike path. The other person they caught with me was a mom who had a baby seat on her bike, and while we were being written up and/or questioned, three other cyclists rode by, also on the sidewalk.

Ticketing cyclists on that sidewalk could generate lots of revenue, but it does not make anyone safer. Not far from there, in fact, I once arrived on the scene of a hit-and-run where a cyclist had just been killed or almost killed by a car. He left in a slow-moving ambulance, his blood lying in a huge dark pool on the street. Someone had only partially managed to wash it away...


Posted 8 Months Ago
bikefiend
New York, NY
bikefriend... I am taking a real big leap here and guessing you have been down that path / bridge before. Please don't think any of us are against cyclists. We are most definitely not against the free right to be mobile in the fashion of your choosing and to add free to roam across the U.S. unencumbered (meaning ID's - free state and all).

Here is the problem. It is what you really need to focus on and get fixed.

Cycles on a sidewalk (anywhere) are breaking motor vehicle laws. The sidewalks are just what the name says. sideWALKs.

Saying that any place because the pedistrian traffic is low is now a "defacto cycle path" is counter to what your trying to communicate. That would be like saying...

Only whites live here so it is a "defacto white" area.
Only jews live here so it is a "defacto jewish" area.
Only aliens (greys) live here so it is a "defacto UFO" landing zone.

Only...Only...Only... Maybe the only is caused by intrusion by someone that is not following the rules.

Posted 8 Months Ago
The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX

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