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Gregoire
What men consider noteworthy and of great consequence goes unnoted by heaven, while God continues to work secretly, in plain sight.
Tuesday's hulabaloo, bruhaha, much ballyhooed whoopdeedoo in Washington about the signing of the health care bill got all the coverage one would expect.
Even Joe Biden seemed to find time to make his notable comments.
Of course what was mentioned, but only in passing, is what is of significance...the closed door meeting between Netanyahu and Obama, (pronounced Obama.)

In regards to our soon abandonment of Israel we have to look no further than the sure word of the Secretary of State:

The Aipac, a powerful lobby group, recently rebuked the Obama administration for its criticism of Israel over the proposed expansion of a Jewish settlement in occupied East Jerusalem. But Mrs Clinton argued that Washington's concern for Israel's ultimate security had led to the clash with Mr Netanyahu.

In remarks that earned her one of several standing ovations from an audience of 7,500, she said: "Our commitment to Israel's security and Israel's future is rock solid, unwavering, enduring and forever."


When anyone in this administration says something
(...particularly a Clinton) in the way of a promise, (especially involving anything of loyalty or commitment) you can be sure it spells a soon betrayal.
In fact the more strident the plea of keeping faith, the sooner you can watch for the twisting of the blade between the ribs.

It will not be amusing, but it will surely be interesting to see how the administration is going to continue to distance itself while continuing to make a show of support till continued international pressure (especially China) has the USA back a "safe" distance away from Israel.
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26 months ago: Obama is an utter failure. He's much worse that Jimmy Carter.

I am worried about what can of worms President Palin will inherit.

Unbelievable.
26 months ago: In six months, when we haven't abandoned our commitments to Israel, can I mock you for this ridiculous post? I'm inclined to bookmark it for future reference.

How about in a year? Two?
26 months ago: Heynnnn

I hope you are correct.
26 months ago: I am. Just like I've been correct about everything we've argued over since my return. ;)
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: You mean when Obama is out of office?

26 months ago: You're looking seven years ahead, eh? OK. It's hard to say what the state of affairs will be in seven years, but I'd be very surprised if we were no longer Israel's ally.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: When the oil runs dry in the Middle East, Israel and all the rest of the countries in that region will be about as important to us as Eritrea or Chad.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: Seven years you actually think he will win the coming election? What world do you live in? Yes I agree once Obama is out of office we will be back at being Israels ally as we have always been. Plus we wont be chumming up to dictators either.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: ...Yes I agree once Obama is out of office we will be back at being Israels ally...

You mean like in 1981 when President Reagan suspended the U.S. security agreement with Israel over Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights?
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: That would be relevant Mark if I was talking about Reagan but I seeings how I am not what is your point? So it is Reagan's fault becuase of Obama's inability to keep in good relations with Israel? Does nothing in this world have the word personal accountability stamped on it for you? I used to try the same trick when I was a kid too by blaming my brother for what I did...all it got me was a warm bottom.
26 months ago: @scotmanster

Yep. He's going to win again. You heard it here first, folks. It's my official prediction. So long as he keeps fulfilling campaign promises and doing what he received a mandate for in November of 2008, he will win again in 2012. Before you say I'm wrong, carefully look back at how you yourself thought 2008 would go, back in 2007. Remember when you thought Hillary was going to be the Democratic nominee? Remember when you thought the post-convention Palin "bounce" would carry McCain over the finish line? Remember how everything you believed about how the 2008 election would go was wrong?
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: You mean like these promises...

"Broken promise No. 1: 'Sunlight Before Signing'

When Obama campaigned for the Democratic presidential nomination in Manchester, N.H., on June 22, 2007, he announced his "Sunlight Before Signing" promise.

"When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as the president, you the public will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it," he said.

He repeated that promise on his campaign website:

"Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days."

However, Obama signed his first bill, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, on Jan. 20 – only two days after its passage.

He signed a second bill expanding the State Children's Health Insurance Program just three hours after Congress passed it.

Again, on Feb. 17, Obama signed his 1,000-page $787 billion stimulus aimed at jolting the declining U.S. economy. He did so only one business day after it passed through Congress – without allowing for five days of public comment.

Broken promise No. 2: Capital gains tax elimination

According to his comprehensive tax plan released during his campaign, Obama promised to "eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses."

Just weeks prior to the election, Obama advisers Austan Goolsbee and Jason Furman told the Wall Street Journal that Obama planned tax cuts that included "the elimination of capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups."

People who invest in small businesses have only been allowed to exclude 50 percent of that gain from capital gains taxes. While Obama's $787 billion economic-stimulus package reduces that tax liability – raising the exclusion to 75 percent – it does not eliminate it.

Broken promise No. 3: New American jobs tax credit

During his transition, Obama's promised to provide a $3,000 refundable tax credit to existing businesses for every additional full-time U.S. employee hired in 2009 and 2010.

"If a company that currently has 10 U.S. employees increases its domestic full time employment to 20 employees, this company would get a $30,000 tax credit – enough to offset the entire added payroll tax costs to the company for the first $50,000 of income for the new employees," the transition website stated. "The tax credit will benefit all companies creating net new jobs, even those struggling to make a profit."

Obama's promise was never included in the stimulus package.

Broken promise No. 4: Hiatus on 401(k) penalties

Many unemployed and financially strapped Americans have considered early withdrawals on 401(k) and retirement accounts to survive the current recession. However, the IRS imposes strict penalties of up to 10 percent plus federal, state and local income taxes on such advances.

Workers who have taken $10,000 in early withdrawals from retirement plans have lost as much as 40 percent to taxes and penalties, depending upon tax brackets.

In October 2008, Obama released his "Rescue Plan for the Middle-Class" in which he promised to allow financially distressed Americans to withdraw up to $10,000 from their 401(k) accounts and retirement savings without having to pay penalties. They would only pay income taxes on the amount.

"Since so many Americans will be struggling to pay the bills over the next year, I propose that we allow every family to withdraw up to 15% from their IRA or 401(k) – up to a maximum of $10,000 – without any fine or penalty throughout 2009," Obama said. "This will help families get through this crisis without being forced to make painful choices like selling their homes or not sending their kids to college."

However, Obama's promise was never included in his rec
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: Here's the current odds from sportsbooks.com for the 3 front-runners

Barack Obama: -125

Sarah Palin: +1000

Mitt Romney: +1200


Other notables:

Hillary Clinton: +1500

Jeb Bush: +2000

Ron Paul: +5000


Darkhorse:

Rob Portman (R): +1500
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago:
"However, Obama's promise was never included in his recent stimulus package.

Broken promise No. 5: 'No jobs for lobbyists'

William J. Lynn III

Obama promised America he would loosen the grip of lobbyists on Washington.

In his Nov. 10, 2007, speech in Des Moines, Iowa, Obama declared:

I am in this race to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over. I have done more than any other candidate in this race to take on lobbyists — and won. They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voices of the American people when I am president.

During his campaign, Obama also said, "I have done more to take on lobbyists than any other candidate in this race. I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House."

However, USA Today reported Obama's campaign fundraising team included 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million in 2007 to lobby the federal government.

William Corr

"Those lawyers, including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to raise at least $3.5 million" for Obama's campaign, the report states. "Employees of their firms have given Obama's campaign $2.26 million."

It wasn't long before he allowed at least two dozen exceptions and broke his promise.

Obama's own ethic rules barred officials of his administration from lobbying their former colleagues "for as long as I am president." He also said former lobbyists would be prohibited from working for agencies they had lobbied within the past two years. President Obama later waived his rules for at least two of his nominees – William J. Lynn III, undersecretary at the Department of Defense and recent lobbyist for Raytheon, and William Corr, deputy secretary for the Department of Health and Human Services and anti-tobacco lobbyist for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

Broken promise No. 6: Earmark reform

As WND reports, at the first presidential debate in Oxford, Miss., Obama declared, "[W]e need earmark reform. And when I'm president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely."

However, in February, Obama passed his $787 billion stimulus aimed at jolting the declining U.S. economy. Before a joint session of Congress, Obama declared: "Now, I'm proud that we passed a recovery plan free of earmarks."

Some chuckled in amusement when he claimed the bill contained no pork.

"There was just a roar of laughter – because there were earmarks," Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., told CNN.

U.S. News & World Report found at least eight earmarks in his stimulus bill.

Obama also signed a $410 billion omnibus bill for 2009. More than 9,000 earmarks in the spending bill total an estimated $7.7 billion.

Even though the Democrat-controlled Congress crafted the bill after Obama's election, the administration claims the added pork is just "unfinished business" from last year.

The White House website states, "Obama and Biden will slash earmarks to no greater than 1994 levels and ensure all spending decisions are open to the public." However, watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense reports that the omnibus pork alone already totals $7.7 billion – just less than the total of $7.8 billion in earmarks in 1994 – and the figure does not include $6.6 billion in earmarks contained in three previous spending bills Congress passed amid the bailout crisis last year.

During his three years in the Senate, Obama requested more than $860 million in earmarks, according to the group. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has 16 earmarks – worth approximately $8.5 million – in the bill.

Broken promise No. 7: Bring troops home in 16 months


On his campaign website, Obama promised he would "remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: Broken promise No. 7: Bring troops home in 16 months

On his campaign website, Obama promised he would "remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months."

His commitment to bring combat troops home by May 20, 2010, and end the war gave him an edge among Democrats over candidate Hillary Clinton.

However, on Feb. 27, Obama declared, "Let me say this as plainly as I can: By Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end."

If Obama adheres to his plan, combat troops will return home months later than originally promised. The New York Times reports, Obama will withdraw only two of the 14 brigades before December.

As part of a "new era of American leadership," he also said he would leave behind a residual force of 35,000 to 50,000 troops and remove all U.S. soldiers from Iraq by Dec. 31, 2011 – the same deadline the Bush administration negotiated with the Iraqi government last year in its Status of Forces Agreement.

Additionally, some combat units would remain in Iraq beyond Obama's declared August 2010 withdrawal. Rather than returning home, they would simply face reassignment as "advisory training brigades."

Even as combat troops are brought home, Pentagon officials have said fresh units will continue deploying to Iraq.

Broken promise No. 8: Sign 'Freedom of Choice Act'

On July 17, 2007, Obama told the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, "The first thing I'd do as president is, is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I'd do."

Obama expressed his support for the sweeping plan that would repeal all national and state regulations of abortion passed over the last 35 years.

His agenda regarding "reproductive choice" is posted on the White House website. It states, Obama "has been a consistent champion of reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority in his Administration."

Obama chose radical pro-abortion Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to serve as the Health secretary, moved to void job protections for health workers who oppose abortion and repealed a ban on U.S. taxpayer funding of foreign abortions. While many pro-life advocates consider it a blessing that Obama has no fulfilled his promise to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, he has made no mention of the legislation since he took office.

Broken promise No. 9: $4,000 college credit

Obama pledged to make college "affordable for all Americans" when he announced his American Opportunity Tax Credit.


His campaign promise read: "This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Recipients of the credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of community service."

While the American Opportunity Tax Credit was included in the recent stimulus bill, it offers a credit of only $2,500 for up to two years and requires no commitment to community service.

Broken promise No. 10: Transparency

On the White House website, the Obama administration claims it will be "the most open and transparent in history.

The administration released a memo on Jan. 21, stating:

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.

Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. …

However, Congress and the administration hurried the $787 billion, 1,027-pa
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: "However, Congress and the administration hurried the $787 billion, 1,027-page American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 to a vote after allowing lawmakers just a few hours to read the bill. It was also available online in a form that could not be keyword searched.

While former administrations immediately posted transcripts of presidential speeches – including some remarks before delivery – the White House website often waits until days or even weeks after an event to release transcripts.

Also, some say recent reports of tax evasion by Obama nominees is evidence that the administration is not as transparent as promised.


Timothy Geithner

Just before Obama named Timothy Geithner to be his treasury secretary, the president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank quietly paid $26,000 in back taxes and interest due since 2001 and 2002.

Obama characterized the eight-year tax evasion as "an innocent mistake."

But as many as five of his picks defaulted on taxes, including former nominee for health and human services secretary, Tom Daschle; former nominee for chief performance officer, Nancy Killefer; U.S. trade representative nominee Ron Kirk and Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis.

Furthermore, while the president posted his own weekly "fireside chats" on YouTube during the campaign, many journalists report that he has a history of being less than welcoming to the Fourth Estate.

Columbia Journalism Review noted Obama's treatment of the press: "During the campaign, reporters' access to Obama was severely limited. On-the-record conversations with the candidate were even more so. Indeed, Obama's overall treatment of the press – not just in his general rejection of the day-to-day news cycle, but also in his tendency to shun his national traveling press corps ... created the impression that its members were, to him, a buzzing nuisance. Instead of the voice of the people."

WND's correspondent at the White House, Les Kinsolving, raised the issue in February that most of the reporters recognized for questions in the briefing room were among the same handful over and over again. Some of them had been given four or even five opportunities for questions while other reporters were not recognized at all.

Kinsolving, a senior journalist in the White House press corps, was not allowed to voice his questions on issues on which millions of WND readers have expressed an interest. There were also complaints about the time of the November election that not only did Obama rely on a few key reporters for questions, those reporters were chosen ahead of time. " end quote....
26 months ago: I'm sure those will change slightly until post time.
Here is another set. In order as of 3-27-10. Let's all plan on checking back in October.

http://www.betusa.com/odds/2012_presiden...

Barack Obama 4-5
Sarah Palin 10-1
Mitt Romney 12-1
Hillary Clinton 15-1
Joe Biden 15-1
Mike Huckabee 15-1
Rob Portman 15-1
Al Gore 20-1
Bobby Jindal 20-1
Condoleeza Rice 20-1
Evan Bayh 20-1
Jeb Bush 20-1
Michael Bloomberg 20-1
Tim Pawlenty 20-1
Bill Frist 25-1
Charlie Crist 25-1
John Edwards 30-1
Rudolph Giuliani 30-1
David Petraeus 40-1
John McCain 50-1
Mark Sanford 50-1
Mark Warner 50-1
Newt Gingrich 50-1
Ron Paul 50-1
Joe Wurzelbacher 100-1
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: ...What men consider noteworthy and of great consequence goes unnoted by heaven, while God continues to work secretly, in plain sight..

So you know the affairs of heaven and the mind of God - wow! I suppose if we disagree with you, we'll be on the wrong side of "God", eh?

As such, I beseech you to inquire of your "God" and ask him, if Israel can do no wrong and is your sacred cow, why did "God" punish them in the day for all manner of wrong doing including the rejection of the Evangelical America man-God.

BTW, do you remember back in 1981 when President Reagan suspended the U.S. security agreement with Israel over Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights? Was the religious right frothing about their hero doing that or do they only froth with the Dems slap Israel's hand. And is any criticism of Israel (justified or not) tantamount to abandonment, and will it incur the wrath of your "god"?
26 months ago: Mark.

Do you still use a pacifier?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: No, sorry I don't have one - you might try Piggly Wiggly.
26 months ago: If anyone needs one... it's laying on the floor in the kitchen where grandson dropped it. I really need to clean house.....(they just left so post grandkid cleanup detail has not been put to work yet).
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: Why would I care if anyone agrees with what I see?
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: If you don't care, why mention it?
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: For the same reason you do Mark.
26 months ago: Not going to happen quite the way you predict. We may "back away" a smidgen, but only to show that we can work with both sides of the equation in the MiddleEast. It's something they have to do too, give a little so that the area as a whole will prosper, and possibly, live a lttle more in peace with each other.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
26 months ago: Despite the fact that Israel should probably deal with its own problems it will never happen so you can just calm down.

I can only hope that they run Palin in 2012 so I can laugh at her losing 45 states to 5...it will be epic fun.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: If they want Palin to win, they need to change the strategy from Teabagging in Washington to thumping Bibles in every state and getting more converts to the religious right. Have Campus Crusade for Christ buttonhole every single University student and promise them a year supply of Chick-fil-A if they'll become conservative Christians. Once they get 'saved', give them a Bible along with the evangelical computer filtering software. Allow them to read only right wing blogs and listen to conservative talk radio. Set the parental controls on the TV to lock out all channels except TBN, 700 Club, and Fox News (but not O'Reilly - he's not far right enough), and wella, you'll have yourself freshly minted Palin voters by the thousands.
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: Again, as usual, I see folks want this to be about them...about their president, about their politics, about their lives and their countries.
That's common.
But it's not, it's about what is happenning to Israel, and going to happen to Israel.
Bush spoke of dividing Jerusalem. It doesn't matter if it is an R or D in the White House, or how you may or may not want to see things go.
Jerusalem has been made a cup of trembling for all the nations.
The fact that God has chosen and appointed that little bit of sand to essentially act as a timepiece in the world is what most find troubling.
God's never needed nor asked for your assent or approval.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago:
Again, as usual, I see folks want this to be about them...about their president, about their politics, about their lives and their countries.
That's common.
But it's not, it's about what is happenning to Israel, and going to happen to Israel.
Bush spoke of dividing Jerusalem. It doesn't matter if it is an R or D in the White House, or how you may or may not want to see things go.
Jerusalem has been made a cup of trembling for all the nations.
The fact that God has chosen and appointed that little bit of sand to essentially act as a timepiece in the world is what most find troubling.
God's never needed nor asked for your assent or approval.

I could not agree more Greg. It is done on His time and His time only, He predestined it.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: "Remember when you thought Hillary was going to be the Democratic nominee? Remember when you thought the post-convention Palin "bounce" would carry McCain over the finish line? Remember how everything you believed about how the 2008 election would go was wrong?"

Oh wait shoot I forgot Obama won in a land slide victory in your eyes! It was a very close race but reporters reported likewise. Maybe the black men at the voting booths with billy clubs had something to do with it? Chicago style politics...
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: ...Maybe the black men at the voting booths with billy clubs had something to do with it? Chicago style politics...

That's very white of you but it reminds me of when the Dems were bleating for years about Bush stealing the election in Florida. The election is over and this black thug Chicago style politics rant is crossing into birther territory.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: No its not Mark you choose to bring up history at your leisure and I do as well. Kinda white of me? Actually black Americans did not like it anymore than white Americans. Why not say kinda of American of you..
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: ...Why not say kinda of American of you...

I would have except you felt the need to identify the skin color of the alleged men with bully clubs at the voting booths.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: You don't get it I was not the one at the polling booths across the United States with a billy club in my hand. The fact is their was blacks at polling booths with billy clubs intimidating white voters. It was seen on national TV! What do want me to say their was not to make you sleep better at night? I don't make the rules I play by them and people at polling booths with billy clubs intimidating voters is not playing by the rules.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
26 months ago: Proof please...a youtube link...a news story from outside FoxNews...anything.
26 months ago: Proof of what? Are you asking for a link of some kind that shows NBPs at the entry of a polling station during the 2008 presidential election?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFpfQpuuV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4o_8HtEl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX4dcvIYk...

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/cityh...
WASHINGTON - The Justice Department today filed a lawsuit under the Voting Rights Act against the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense and three of its members alleging that the defendants intimidated voters and those aiding them during the Nov. 4, 2008, general election.

The complaint, filed in the United States District Court in Philadelphia, alleges that, during the election, Minister King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson were deployed at the entrance to a Philadelphia polling location wearing the uniform of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense, and that Samir Shabazz repeatedly brandished a police-style baton weapon.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: Thanks TCG.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: Gosh, if the student journo was so frightened, why go up them and put a youtube camera in their face, and why where there other white people around who weren't cowering away in fear? And of most import, how does the video prove the right-wing connect the Beck dots that Obama had hired these 'black thugs' at the polling stations to keep whites away? That's the race baiting narrative card that Scot pulled here and I called him on it. If we're all suppose to be just Americans as Scot claims, you better have some evidence that Obama conspired to engage in in racial thuggery. Or are we going down the birther logic road here?
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: We are talking about a man and the circumstances on how he got elected. It was you and your jump in logic that I concluded that Obama hired these men..It was you that threw a racial admonishment at me. You did not call me on anything Mark.. If you want to disregard facts then so be it but don't sit and tell me it is white of me to bring them up. You can bet if white supremacists did the same thing at polling booths I would not condone it either. But you purpose to paint me as being racist for bringing it up...Would you say to a black man "it is mighty black of you to comment on white supremacists bullying blacks at polling booth"? No I doubt you would..
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: Lets no forget the non-profit group that was accused of election fraud. By using the votes of dead people to vote for "Change"(just one instance, there where many more instances which is too large to cover in this reply) They were later caught on camera showing ways you can defraud the federal government. For the life of me I can't recall their name. Maybe tcg or rsg recalls. Add them all up and that already slim margin he won by is nothing to brag about.
26 months ago: On the contrary. I don't believe Obama conspired with the NBPs or any other group. I believe he has sold out everyone though. I don't really see where your headed with the statement. Even if you or I or someone else was not intimidated by thugs standing in the entry of a polling station it is still against the law. They want to stand on the side of a walkway at the regulated distance fine. Not at the front door. There is a law that the Obama administration did not uphold by dropping the charges. He is the Captain of that ship.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: ...I don't believe Obama conspired with the NBPs or any other group...

We're in agreement.

Based on the video though, what crime should they be charged with?

Most states have laws that prohibits loitering and I don't know what the open carry law is regarding batons in PA. Even if we assume they violated a state law, that a state issue and not federal one; aren't we all about State's rights? What Federal law did they violate?
26 months ago: You might be right. I'll need to dig for any federal statute. It might be a state regulated item. That would indeed open the question up to why does the federal government have a standard requirement on electioneering and loitering within a certian distance of a poll? You have me thinking it might be a northern thing now. You know the civil rights part of the country. Here is the Texas statute. We might be further along than the rest of the country.

§ 61.003. ELECTIONEERING AND LOITERING NEAR POLLING PLACE
PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if, during the voting
period and within 100 feet of an outside door through which a voter
may enter the building in which a polling place is located, the
person:
(1) loiters; or
(2) electioneers for or against any candidate,
measure, or political party.
(b) In this section, "voting period" means the period
beginning when the polls open for voting and ending when the polls
close or the last voter has voted, whichever is later.
(c) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

Acts 1985, 69th Leg., ch. 211, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1986.

My question now would be, why was anyone told to leave the area by police if they were not in fact not breaking any code, law or statute? There was a complaint filed by the call to police.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: Here's a list of relevant federal statutes - not sure it includes all. One of the statutes includes a list of prohibited acts to include intentionally preventing a qualified voter from casting a ballot (18 U.S.C. 241 and 242). Don't see that in the video.

http://www.uselections.com/select_fed.ht...#7

Also, there's a Pennsylvania statute that makes it a crime to "practice intimidation or coercion" to compel someone to vote or refrain from voting, or to impede, prevent, or otherwise interfere, with the free exercise of the elective franchise by any voter, and another statute that prohibits anyone other than voters and certain officials from coming within 10 feet of the polling place.

http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/2008/doc...

So it appears that these persons in the video may have in fact violated Pennsylvania law for at least loitering at the polling station but even if we the Texas law as a template, it's a Class C misdemeanor - what are we talking here, $500 fine? If the cops had come by, they'd probably be warned to to leave and cited if they failed to leave.
26 months ago: Were they issued a ticket? Don't know about your state but if a complaint is filed in Texas and a cops roll up and can see the crime he/she will either write a ticket or make an arrest.

10 feet from the door? Is that a reasonable distance from a poll when lines can stretch for hundreds of feet? I can spit more than 10 feet.

The Pennsylvania election code prohibits "electioneering" within 10 feet of polling places, but does not define the term.
http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/...

26 months ago: Mark did you miss this video where an election offical tells a reporter they need to be way over there on the sidewalk while pointing. He is telling this reporter to move while standing in the very spot he allowed the NBPs to close ranks moments before.

Here is the clip again as posted before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4o_8HtEl...
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: I didn't say they weren't doing something wrong, but I'm looking for evidence that they were either verbally or physically intimidating white voters.
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
26 months ago: "Only 34 whites live in Precinct 4 in Philadelphia out of a total population of 970, according to census data. But there was a sea of white faces there that day, mainly Republican lawyers who'd come to monitor the polling station in what, since the disputed 2000 presidential election, has become an election-day ritual for both parties."

But a review of Shabazz's comments before the election indicate he wasn't an Obama fan.

"[Obama] is a puppet on a string. I don't support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster," he told the Philadelphia Daily News days before the election, according to Politico.

http://www.mainjustice.com/2009/12/23/th...
26 months ago: I don't give a rats @$$ if there are only 10 whites that could vote there. Your missing the point. However, you now bring up a larger point to consider. Were they there to intimidate the black voters. Now that would be news.

BTW.. Read this. Here is your U.S.C.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/19...

http://www.slideshare.net/LegalDocs/find...

Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
26 months ago: Well it was originally said that this was happening all over the country...you have provided "proof" of one isolated incident...are you actually insinuating that because of this one incident that President Obama won the election? Get real.
26 months ago: PH. You have already admitted to using and accepting ''Chicago Style'' politics. Uh, including you that now makes TWO.
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
26 months ago: I forgot, you are incapable of using your brain. That little thing I said about Chicago politics...its called sarcasm. In an attempt to help you understand this concept I provide the link below.

www.dictionary.com
26 months ago: Might I suggest that you should take a good look inward before making such a statement.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: "The election is over and this black thug Chicago style politics rant is crossing into birther territory. "


Uh, Helloooo? It's good to see that some people aren't always harping on the past. It's like a ray of sunshine. Or would that be a Moon-beam? :-)
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: Scott, you talking to me?
I remember thinking Hillary would be the nominee...and if you have something that says...either in memory, or written about the bounce that I really hoped might help McCain...remind me...cause although I sure hoped it would...I don't remember making too much of it.
As per Hillary...I did think that the party was eager to back her over Barack, fearing a total wipe out and figgered she'd get him to back down, back off with VP offer...yep, I was way wrong about that...and now that Game Change has come out...seems pretty clear the party was against Hillary from the get go.
I was also way wrong about two previous marriages, spending a buncha money on a boat I didnt need and couldn't really afford...and also about thinking that last fishing hole was gonna produce.
But, if you weren't talking to me...as Emily Litella once said...Oh, nevermind...
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: And yeah, I really thought Avatar would do much better at the Academy Awards
Perfect Horizon
Perfect Horizon
Chicago, IL
26 months ago: That movie was crap...It won for special effects and thats all about it should have won for. Lame **** love stories don't win at the Oscars since Titanic.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: No Gregoire I was refering to HNN. I quoted his comment. I know I am going back to putting @name so people don't mistake my rantings.

@ Greg.. But yea I hear you so what everyone is wrong what does it really matter that is the pasted and nothing you do can change it. But people get hung up that he won and immediately refer to it as a land slide victory. For the life of me I wonder how people put their underwear on in the morning without having to rely on msm to feed them their daily dose of bias diatribe.

.and also about thinking that last fishing hole was gonna produce.

Been awhile since I went fishing gotta get out their this year and catch some large mouth bass. Top water action is the best. I used plugs mostly and jitter bugs.
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: If you're ever around Savannah, let me know...we can go and see what we can do...icthiocidally speaking.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: That might be a real possibility I have good friends that live in Atlanta. I did some fishing down their before but that was in early spring and the red dirt really made it too muddy to fish.
Gregoire
Gregoire
26 months ago: We might go in the big water if you're up for it.
scotmanster
scotmanster
26 months ago: That would be cool.
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
26 months ago: Nay Sayers will say nay.
26 months ago: Didn't you mean Say Nayers will never say yea?
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
26 months ago: Say Nayers would still say Nay.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
25 months ago: The timing was near perfect, well orchestrated, and planned far in advance.

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