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Another history lesson: The Nazis

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It's become something we almost expect: Political disagreements degenerate into name-calling. Eventually, someone gets called a Nazi.

Almost without exception, the comparison is hyperbole to the point of absurdity. While neo-Nazis, Holocaust-deniers, and white supremacists do exist, they are not in the mainstream of political discourse today. All viable political parties in the United States reject the overt hatred and racism these modern wannabe-Hitlers represent.

Whether it's liberals calling conservatives "fascist, jack-booted thugs" or conservatives snidely reminding liberals that "Nazi" was shorthand for "National Socialism," the extremity of the comparison generally renders moot any point it was intended to make.

It bears reminding ourselves from time to time who the Nazis were and what they believed in, lest we weaken our understanding of their atrocities and evils. Just as calling everyone a terrorist lessens the term, calling our political opponents Nazis lessens the respect we ought to have for the dark period of our planet's history the Nazis brought.

Before the Nazis were finally defeated, they had killed:

* 6,000,000 Jews
* 2,500,000 Non-Jewish Polish civilians
* Between 1,500,000 and 2,200,000 Romanis
* 70,273 sick and disabled people
* Between 5,000 and 15,000 homosexuals

I am specifically excluding victims of warfare, prisoners of war, and those murders that weren't specifically related to the beliefs of the Nazis regarding superiority of race and purity of lineage. In total, the Holocaust cost as much as 17,000,000 people their lives, but I'm focusing here on only those deaths that were the goal, not the deaths of those who stood in the way of that goal.

The Nazis believed themselves to be a superior race. Their goal was to exterminate the Jews and any others they deemed undesirable in their Third Reich.

Lately, I've seen some ridiculous comparisons of a certain President's policies with those of Hitler. Accusations of fascistic behavior, Gestapo-like tactics, and so forth. I am, of course, talking about hyperbolic criticism of President Bush and the scandals of his administration. Warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without charges, torture... Disturbing, certainly - especially the evidence of torture. I would even call them high crimes and misdemeanors. But however reprehensible I find it all, does it rise to the level of Nazis? Does it equate with a desire to exterminate an entire people? Does it equate with the murder of 6 million Jews? No. Of course not. However abusive of his office I believe Bush was, and however incompetent to hold the office, to compare him to the world-changing evil that was Hitler is an insult to the people who died in Germany and throughout Europe under him.

To my conservative friends, the next time you decide to compare Obama, or any of his supporters, to the Nazis, remember those millions upon millions. Ask yourself, is this policy I disagree with him about really comparable to gas chambers, to euthanasia, to the Jewish ghettos and concentration camps, to starvation and intentional mass murder? Is he really comparable to the men in the photo?

Today, the answer should never be "yes." If it is, the problem does not lie with Obama.
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30 months ago: Please. If your going to try to give a history lesson go back to when the National Socialism in Germany began. Then include the fact that those you are so rightly defending were part of the problem. National Socialism started in little baby steps (just like what your accepting here in the U.S.). Large numbers of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s.
30 months ago: TCG, you've already called me a Nazi multiple times. My point in posting this was to remind people of the vast, incomparable evil the real Nazis committed. Comparing anyone in the United States today with them is absurd.

And please tell me specifically who I'm "defending" that was "part of the problem?" I don't recall defending anyone in this rant.
30 months ago: I have a problem with the...

"While neo-Nazis, Holocaust-deniers, and white supremacists do exist, they are not in the mainstream of political discourse today."

Your post is a continuation of the whole "White" world domination theory. When in fact the true roots are deeply embedded in each of the accusers own history. It's time for everyone to fess up. Jews blame Whites for the Holocaust (which I agree did happen) but don't own up to their own complacency for the earlier years allowing it to happen. Blacks blame Whites for slavery (which I agree did happen) while not accepting the fact that their own African bloodline traded them into it from Africa. The whole blame "Whitey" excuse is getting too old.
30 months ago: And I should say this: If you honestly believe that your political opponent's goals literally include genocide and euthanasia, then you should seek mental help. There's no point in debating with someone like that.
30 months ago: TCG, that's an entirely different topic. I'm talking about calling people you disagree with Nazis in this day and age, and how absurd it is.

Although I will say this: I find it extremely interesting that you felt you had to emphasize that you "agree [the Holocaust] did happen." Of course it happened. No one sane disputes it.
30 months ago: This was what I was writing when your reply came in...

You still don't get it.
National Socialism in Germany began in the 1930s.
German Jews accepted it and did not flee.

Am I not clear enough? It evolved into the Holocaust in small steps. Little calculated baby steps.

I am woefully soory that so many of your brothers and sisted were butchered. I am also sorry that they didn't see it coming. If they had been a little more open to external opinions they might have have an easier time.

That is the point.
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30 months ago: Noni, I apologize in advance if this offends you, I do not believe there is a subject in public discourse that is taboo, nor should there be. If you don't wish to join in, if it is too painful for you, I understand.

I defined "faciolists" in a previous post, meant to be humorous, but after having undertaken some study, I might try to have it canonized.

These are a few of the 25 points in the National Socialist German Workers Party
The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:
10. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

12. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

13. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

14. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

15. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
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30 months ago:
16. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

17. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

18. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
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19. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

20. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

21. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.

22. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press.

25.For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation.


Implementing profit-sharing in industry,
Nationalizing trusts,
Providing an extensive welfare state,
Instituting government control of the media.

All we need now, are a bunch a racially motivated laws, and we're there.
30 months ago: HNN, I do not take lightly the fact that when I refer to National Scocialism when commenting it is a hard subject with lots of baggage. If I feel that the view is heading our country that direction I will call them on it. It has nothing to do with a person, race, religion or gender. It is only political views that I will pull that NAZI card on. If your views as I see them seem to fit into that category, then you need to explain to me why your view is not National Socialism.
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30 months ago: I've always said that it is not just the current administration that's leading us down this primrose path. One of the few things Dobb's and I agree on is that Obama is just more of the same thing we've had for twenty years.
30 months ago: And I thought I was the only one that can...

see it coming...

I'm feeling real bad about my childrens future right now.
30 months ago: I think one thing that I strongly noticed in my studies of the Nazi regime and its atrocities was that during Hitler's rise to power many Germans just thought he was not very good but "how bad could it get". Then when rumors of the death camps began circulating many Germans thought "that could not really happen here". This is one reason Eisenhower sent the citizens through the death camps before burying the dead because so many Germans stated "I did not believe it could happen here". My philosophy is to never convince myself we are to civilized for it to "not happen here".

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