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ATF Problems Alleged to be Fault of GOP

Posted 8 months ago|9 comments|817 views
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BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
In an article titled "Republicans refuse to confirm leader for ATF despite its troubles", L.A. Times Washington reporter David Savage wrote in part (Read the full article here.)
"Former officials say the agency, which ran a botched sting operation, needs a permanent director to guide it. But nominees to the post have met opposition from gun-rights groups."

From its title, I would infer that Mr. Savage believes that the problems with the ATF were caused by its having had only "Acting" Directors due to GOP interference with the nomination process. I would further infer that he believes that the current problems – specifically the Operation Gun Walker scandal – are entirely the result of the ATF not having permanent leadership. In an email to Mr. Savage I offered the counter hypothesis that the whole "Gun Walker" issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the permanence (or lack thereof) of the leadership in the ATF. Rather than the GOP interfering with ATF leadership DESPITE the agency's troubles, I would suggest that the GOP refuses to accept the current nominee BECAUSE of the agency's long and well documented chain of abuses.

As the communications director of GOA put it, the administration has
"consistently nominated hardened gun control advocates into positions that restrict the 2nd Amendment rights of Americans".
In fact recent documents turned over to Congressional investigators indicate that the REAL PURPOSE of Operation Gun Walker was to generate support for yet MORE restrictions to be placed upon U.S. Citizens' right to keep and bear arms.

I can understand a government's (ANY government's) motivation to disarm the general public. Government needs a monopoly on deadly force in order to ensure its continued existence. It is enormously more difficult (but not impossible as recent events in Libya have demonstrated) for an unarmed populous to successfully rebel than for an armed populous.

I am aware that even an entirely beneficent government will have its detractors and nay-sayers. Even when a government is doing everything possible to protect the populous and provide the maximum of safety and security, some will "kick against the pricks" and bridle under the inevitable restrictions necessitated by keeping people safe and secure.

Unfortunately, true adults do not take kindly to being taken by the hand and led through a life of safety and security. True adults recognize that liberty entails risk. In order for one to have the possibility to SUCCEED, they must have a corresponding possibility to FAIL. Success and failure are but opposite sides of the same coin. When the possibility of failure is eliminated, the possibility to SUCCEED is, perforce, eliminated as well.

Throughout history, many have believed that government can increase only at the expense of the individual. Larger government inevitably results in smaller individuals. And to some that is a good thing. Many - including many here - believe that the state quite properly is - AND SHOULD BE - superior to the individual. Unfortunately, to others, myself included, an all-controlling state is anathema. Folk such as we believe that, as Carl Sandburg put it so well, "That government is best which governs least." Millions of Americans see the current trend of increasingly larger and more controlling government to be an effort to – to coin a phrase – "reduce [us] under absolute Despotism".

Such an effort by government has been considered for centuries both to confer a right and to impose a duty to rebel. The existence of such right and duty does not in any wise infer the inevitability of success. It merely makes rebellion under such circumstances both moral and ethical.

I truly wish you who are convinced of the value - NECESSITY even - of an all controlling central government could understand the position of people who believe that the right to keep and bear arms is every bit as sacred and sacrosanct as that of freedom of the press and of speech. Alas, I suspect such will never be the case.
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8 months ago: It's Bush's fault.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
8 months ago: But of course. Isn't everything?
8 months ago: Great post. Many Americans do not seem to understand having the potential to succeed also means having the potential to fail. Increasingly we are seeing a "dependancy" upon the government. Socialist advocates have discovered that socialist countries in Europe that have been able to keep their populations under control in large part by nationalizing health care. By doing this the people tend to put up with what the government dishes out to them because they want health care for their family. The socialists always paint any opposition as wanting to eliminate the "free" health care. And gee guess what Obama and company has tried to implement here despite the opposition by Americans.

I will be watching for future posts from you BC.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
8 months ago: The analysis that there is only individual rights and the government which wishes to restrict them ignores the third part of the equation. Corporations who endeavor to exploit workers, to pollute to cut corners, and create dangerous conditions all in the name of corporate profits. The role of government is to protect the vulnerable. In this case to protect the people from the abuses of the corporations.

The government is not trying to harm the people the government is striving to protect the people. The rights of the corporations to do harm must be restricted to protect the people.

It is true that the Republicans by refusing to confirm appointees, even if highly qualified, is intentionally causing government to run less efficiently, and to make more mistakes. The ATF hasn't had a director for 8 years because anyone that is competent to do that job is opposed by the gun lobby because they oppose any interference at all.

The Republicans have also refused to confirm 4 of 24 judicial nominees that were approved by the Judiciary Committee. This is causing a big backlog which causes more lawlessness. http://aara.pfaw.org/media-center/public...
8 months ago: alt- This post didn't mention corporations: Off topic boogeyman, as usual. Blame Bush or bicycles or global worming, and you'd be more on topic (but still out in left field).

Regarding the role of the government- It is limited to enumerated powers spelled out in the constitution. 'Protecting vulnerable' is not one of the enumerated powers, so making that up is also hopelessly pointless.

sunny2
sunny2
8 months ago: It should be.
BadCyborg
BadCyborg
San Antonio, TX
7 months ago: Sunny,
I write this in total sincerity. If you genuinely believe that "Protecting the Vulnerable" (whatever that is. it's easy to write/say the phrase but EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to define it) should be part of the job of government, then it is incumbent upon you to work towards amending the Constitution to include that in the role of government.

I suggest you read the Constitution - it's only a few hundred words - and find out what the framers believed the proper function of government to be. Especially read Article 1, Sections 8 & 9. They spell out explicitly in what areas congress is AUTHORIZED to legislate - and what areas of legislation are SPECIFICALLY/EXPLICITLY off limits to congress as well! You can find the text of the Constitution here: http://www.usconstitution.net/

Read the Declaration of Independence, too - especially the 2nd paragraph. See what those guys believed was self-evident about the role of government. It, too, is on the site I mentioned above.

Actually, the framers DID include protection for "the vulnerable" in society - if in a somewhat round about manner. They did that by setting up a REPUBLIC as opposed to a pure democracy. That was done to protect minorities from an over-zealous majority. They did that with a bicameral legislature. The House of REPRESENTATIVES (see that key word?) was to represent the interests of the people. The Senate (originally appointed by state legislatures) was to protect the interests of the STATES. The 17th Amendment DID away with one of the important protections of the vulnerable. How much to you expect the bureaucrats running increasingly more of our lives care about "protecting the vulnerable".
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: No...BC I thought that your narrative was very well written.
The Government shouldn't take care of us, and I would never want that. It would be the ruination of our society. I think they should correct what they have done by creating some jobs. They have to work at making things better and not add any more problems. We've had a long stream of problems and God knows when this will all end.
I'm thinking about the people who were thrown for a loop with this economy and others even worse off. I want to see it all turnaround.
There are many that take advantage of Government aide. I worked my entire life from the age of 14. They keep saying on here I don't work. That's crazy talk I'll work till I'm bone tired and ready to drop.

BC I've studied and read the Constitution all my life. Whatever it states thats what we live by. I'm a pure American. I hate to see America going through this tragedy.
sunny2
sunny2
7 months ago: BC said:I suggest you read the Constitution - it's only a few hundred words - and find out what the framers believed the proper function of government to be. Especially read Article 1, Sections 8 & 9. They spell out explicitly in what areas congress is AUTHORIZED to legislate
(I'll read this it's interesting)

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