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A mosque is being built in New York ground zero

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As a memorandum of their achievement, a mosque is being built in New York ground zero, they say that it is to soothe old hurts, but is that what their goals are? Some New York citizens are furious, how do you feel about this, would Muslims allowed a Christian Church to be built, if the situation was the opposite situation, The location was precisely a key selling point for the group of Muslims, who bought the building in July?

A presence so close to the World Trade Center, "where a piece of the wreckage fell," said Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the cleric leading the project, "sends the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11."
The Muslim agenda has always been to take over by slowly gaining a foothold, and is to outnumber the population of a country by population, of course our democratic system makes it easy for them to achieve success, this is what is now happening in Europe and England.

The Imam who is leading the project says having a mosque at the site of the terrorist attacks will send a gesture to extremists.
Lynn Rasic, a spokeswoman for the National September 11 Memorial and Museum says, "The concept of a cultural centre that reinforces connections among Muslims and people of all faiths and backgrounds is positive." She describes Imam Feisal as having built a career preaching broad-mindedness and interfaith understanding.
The project is a cooperation between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, both of which work to improve relations with followers of the religion, CNN reports:

Daisy Khan, executive director of the Muslim society, described her vision of a center led by Muslims, but serving the community as a whole.
One man who lost his son, who was a firefighter, in the attacks says he doesn't like the idea, the New York Daily News reports:

"I realize it's not all of them, but I don't want to have to go down to a memorial where my son died on 9/11 and look at a mosque," said retired FDNY Deputy Chief Jim Riches — whose son Jim, also a firefighter, was killed on 9/11. "If you ask me, it's a religion of hate."

LOOK AT THE FIRST VIDEO, AND OPEN YOUR EYES!
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24 months ago: Why would you care? It's not like your local fishery was distroyed and the Muslims bought the newest water front property for an "in your face" moment.

Really, why do you care?

My guess is the newest mosque should have a good fire suppression system intalled. Just a guess but I'm sure the fire trucks will hit heavy traffic.
24 months ago: Please stick to the subject, and don't get personal. this happening all over the World, even in Canada, look at the video.
24 months ago: By the way, I posted that video over 8 months ago. I don't need to watch it again.
24 months ago: however, your post is quite telling of your actual mindset.

I for one believe in Christ while also knowing that Jews and Muslims also worship the same God. There is the crux in your arguement. How can this be?

It seems that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have a different ticket for addmission to stand before the same God.

Would it not be better for you to allow God to make his decission about who he let's in? Where is it written in stone from the finger of God that Roman Catholic Bible teachings are infallible and 100 percent correct 100 percent of the time? Did they not leave out many books from your Roman Catholic New Testament?
17 months ago: Lol, sorry but Christians, Muslims and Jews simply do not worship the same God. Christians and Jews do but Muslims don't. Have you ever read the Koran? Studied Islam? The Koran wasn't even written until 600 years after Christ died. The Bible was finished long before the so called "prophet" started the ideology of Islam.
Did you know their so called prophet married a 6 year old little girl when he was 51? How can you condone that? The Lord I love and worship would NEVER condone and take part in pedophile.
24 months ago: I think you need some help, First, there is no such thing as the Roman Catholic Bible, the Holy Bible is the only Bible and was written by Men of the Bible like Moses, Abrahan, David Isaiah and the like, inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Some of the teaching of the Roman Catholics are incorrect, like Mary was a virgin all of her life, the fact is that she had other children, Mary shared in the redemption of the Human race, "wrong" she was, and admitted that she was a sinner like all of us. If you want me to give you all of the proof let me know, don't be shy.

The Muslims and Christians have the same past up to the 2 sons of Abraham, Ismael was the promise of God from him came David and Jesus, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the only way to the Father, not Mohamed. In Love
24 months ago: I do not believe Mary had other children, yet we should not argure these small points
24 months ago: NO?

Take a good hard look at your denominational tenets...

The United Methodist Church understands itself to be part of the holy catholic (or universal) church as it recognizes the historic ecumenical creeds, the Apostle's Creed and the Nicene Creed; they are used frequently in services of worship.

How about Jehovah's Witness?

Centralized World-wide church government from which all official doctrine comes. The Pope and the Governing body.

Need we look deeper into the religion scheme?

We can.

I for on put my self trust into the Almighty.

Not a church or a doctrine of a church.

So, what denomination do you claim to be?
24 months ago: faith healer

you and I agree here, i hope. i put my trust in God. I wsit for Him to teach me. If I do not understand something then I have no opinion until the Lord shows me or perhaps does not. Either way I rely God not on men. Men are too scary for me.

24 months ago: I think you need more help. who adopted the Bible and edited all of its books?

The Roman Catholic Church.
24 months ago: however, your post is quite telling of your actual mindset.

I for one believe in Christ while also knowing that Jews and Muslims also worship the same God. There is the crux in your arguement. How can this be?

It seems that Jews, Christians and Muslims all have a different ticket for addmission to stand before the same God.

Would it not be better for you to allow God to make his decission about who he let's in? Where is it written in stone from the finger of God that Roman Catholic Bible teachings are infallible and 100 percent correct 100 percent of the time? Did they not leave out many books from your Roman Catholic New Testament?
24 months ago: yet the muslims believe Jesus was a profit yet not the Son of God who died on the cross. What do yo believe?

At the same time He commanded us to love, that is why I prefer to learn from Him. Then there is no man made interpretation. Just His words spoken by Him.
24 months ago: The bible was written by Jews in Hebrew, New Testament Authors

The gospel according to Matthew was written by Matthew the tax collector.
The gospel according to Mark was written by John-Mark.
The gospel according to Luke was written by Luke the Physician.
The gospel according to John was written by John the disciple that Jesus loved.

The Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke the Physician

History

For many centuries, the leaders of Israel passed on their people's legends, laws, history, stories, songs and traditions. I learned that the Masorites, Jewish scholars who flourished between the time of the destruction of Jerusalem and the 10th century, transcribed the Old Testament. They exercised great care in copying. Every letter of their copy was counted and meticulously compared with the text before them. The detection of a single mistake was held to be a reason for destroying the entire copy and starting over.

The New Testament scriptures were probably written on papyrus rolls, which grows near the Sea of Galilee and Lake Morom. The work of Bible translation began at a very early time. The Jews who returned from the Babylonian exile no longer spoke Hebrew but Aramaic. Hence, the Hebrew passage read in the synagogue service had to be translated into Aramaic.

Greek was becoming a world language; the Hebrew Scriptures were translated into that tongue.
The man who first translated the entire Bible into English in 1382 was Wycliffe, Religious conditions in his days were, indeed, very bad. Bishops and priest were worldly. Popes cared more material wealth that for the spiritual welfare of their people. Believers were kept in ignorance; he boldly proclaimed that every one should read it.

One hundred years after Wycliffe's death Tyndale was born, men began to demand a Bible translated directly from the original. On October 6, 1536, he was strangled and burned as a heretic. His last words were: "Lord open the king of England eyes."

The King James or Authorized Version, which appeared in the year 1611, was prepared by the best Hebrew and Greek scholars of the day.

The need for more modern versions began to assert itself. So the English Revised Version appeared in 1885, the American revised in 1901.

When Jesus was on this earth He said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets. I am not come to destroy but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17). Jesus often quoted from the writings of the Old Testament. In the New Testament the realism and authority found in the first three gospels, including consistencies of the portrait sketched by all authors is evident on every page. If the accounts had been invented, contradictions would surely have been corrected. Seeming inconsistencies in the reports of the resurrection, for example, make these accounts far more convincing than if they were in perfect agreement.

The Dead Sea scrolls, which were found in 1947, contain portions of all the Old Testament books except Esther and the complete text of Isaiah. These scrolls are the oldest surviving manuscripts of the Hebrew Scriptures and can be used for checking the accuracy of later transcriptions. But even more important to the born-again Christian is that his proof of God's existence comes when he invites Jesus and the Holy Spirit into him. As he matures in the image of Christ, the supernatural experience and personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are our certain proof.
24 months ago: How about Jehovah's Witness? is not of the God of Abraham, they do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and in the Trinity, the father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
24 months ago: I know you are chatting with Cypress, but I think it is better to not to argue. I love my Jehovahs, for their strength, can you imagine going door to door. The abuse. Yet they do. Because they love us, not to do harm, but to want to do good. For that I love them. My faith is with God. to love all people and let Him do the heavy work.
24 months ago: OK, Abrahamic Law?

I'll buy that before I buy your insistance that the "Holy Bible" is not "Roman Catholic".

So let's just get to Abrahams first two male children...

Who where they again?
24 months ago: Isaac with sarai and ishmael with hagar
24 months ago: Please, proper order.
24 months ago: is that not proper order cypress gang
24 months ago: You tell me.
24 months ago: sorry i am budding in on your conversation...boot me if you like
24 months ago: Nay, nay. Dispute what I say. I grew up in a church and my blood father is a retired minister. We go head to head on this. Someday.
24 months ago: by the way I am not American but I do not like this. It does not soothe old hurts. I remember that day, I was at work here in Canada. It was horrifying.
24 months ago: No one can come to God the Father but through Jesus.

Joh 14:6 Jesus answered him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one goes to the Father except by me.
Joh 14:7 Now that you have known me," he said to them, "you will know my Father also, and from now on you do know him and you have seen him."
Joh 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father; that is all we need."
Joh 14:9 Jesus answered, "For a long time I have been with you all; yet you do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. Why, then, do you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Joh 14:10 Do you not believe, Philip, that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I have spoken to you," Jesus said to his disciples, "do not come from me. The Father, who remains in me, does his own work.
Joh 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. If not, believe because of the things I do.
Joh 14:12 I am telling you the truth: those who believe in me will do what I do---yes, they will do even greater things, because I am going to the Father.
Joh 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask for in my name, so that the Father's glory will be shown through the Son.
Joh 14:14 If you ask me for anything in my name, I will do it.
Joh 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments.


The reason why some of the Apocrypha books and not in the Bible is the fact that they were not found in Hebrew text, which takes you back to the original.
24 months ago: There you go again...

Quoting from the Roman Catholic Bible.

By the way. When was the first Bible adopted?
24 months ago: Constantine 325
24 months ago: 325? Are you sure? I'm asking about the base of todays "New Testament".
24 months ago: Okay I am humbled here. What is it. Who were they. What do you want to say. I am all ears
24 months ago: Mary had six children.

Matthew 13:55: Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

Mark 6:3: Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.

Acts 1:14: They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

Mar 15:40: Now there were women watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of young James and Joseph, and Salome.

Mark 16:1: When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices to go and anoint Jesus (Salome was Mary's sister or Jesus' (aunt)
24 months ago: this I do not think is correct though it does not really matter
24 months ago: Answer for Cypress, Greek was becoming a world language; the Hebrew Scriptures were translated into that tongue.
The man who first translated the entire Bible into English in 1382 was Wycliffe, Religious conditions in his days were, indeed, very bad. Bishops and priest were worldly. Popes cared more material wealth that for the spiritual welfare of their people. Believers were kept in ignorance; he boldly proclaimed that every one should read it.

One hundred years after Wycliffe's death Tyndale was born, men began to demand a Bible translated directly from the original. On October 6, 1536, he was strangled and burned as a heretic. His last words were: "Lord open the king of England eyes."

The King James or Authorized Version, which appeared in the year 1611, was prepared by the best Hebrew and Greek scholars of the day.

The need for more modern versions began to assert itself. So the English Revised Version appeared in 1885, the American revised in 1901
24 months ago: Answer for Cypress, Greek was becoming a world language; the Hebrew Scriptures were translated into that tongue.
The man who first translated the entire Bible into English in 1382 was Wycliffe, Religious conditions in his days were, indeed, very bad. Bishops and priest were worldly. Popes cared more material wealth that for the spiritual welfare of their people. Believers were kept in ignorance; he boldly proclaimed that every one should read it.

One hundred years after Wycliffe's death Tyndale was born, men began to demand a Bible translated directly from the original. On October 6, 1536, he was strangled and burned as a heretic. His last words were: "Lord open the king of England eyes."

The King James or Authorized Version, which appeared in the year 1611, was prepared by the best Hebrew and Greek scholars of the day.

The need for more modern versions began to assert itself. So the English Revised Version appeared in 1885, the American revised in 1901
24 months ago: OK Cypress, there is only one Bible all use it, the Muslims use the Old Testament. the Bible is history and fact, although it was written by Jews, God wrote it using the Jews, some like the Jehovah witnesses has change some of the wording such as John 1:1. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jehovah witnesses: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. (small g)

You see God and the Holy Spirit are alive, when I excepted Jesus from a sincere heart, I had the hunger to research the Word, and have written on just about every subject, to share in love in times like this, "you will know the truth and the truth will make you FREE" so feel free to ask me anything.
17 months ago: Ok, I have to interupt here. The Muslims "holy" book, (which isn't holy at all) is the Quran or Koran. In most Islamic states, having a Bible is against the law. I beg you to read the Koran, you will not believe the differences.
I think your explanations and patience are beautiful.
Your light is shining brother!
24 months ago: OK Cypress, there is only one Bible all use it, the Muslims use the Old Testament. the Bible is history and fact, although it was written by Jews, God wrote it using the Jews, some like the Jehovah witnesses has change some of the wording such as John 1:1. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jehovah witnesses: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. (small g)

You see God and the Holy Spirit are alive, when I excepted Jesus from a sincere heart, I had the hunger to research the Word, and have written on just about every subject, to share in love in times like this, "you will know the truth and the truth will make you FREE" so feel free to ask me anything.
24 months ago: Greek was becoming a world language? You first said above that...

"First, there is no such thing as the Roman Catholic Bible, the Holy Bible is the only Bible and was written by Men of the Bible like Moses, Abrahan, David Isaiah and the like, inspired by the Holy Spirit."

Somewhat misleading huh?

Do we need to disect that statement as to time and language?

I still ask who, what, when and where adopted the "New Testament"?

You want to play word games as the "Old Testament" was written before the Roman Catholic Bible. Fine by me, but your not being honest and that will be your downfall. I'm not disputing the "Bible", I'm questioning your understanding of the journey.

24 months ago: Some thing has just hit me, that the Muslims Bible was written by Jews, is that not intriguing?
24 months ago: Want to more intruigied? The first of Muslim's were from the elder son of Abraham born from a housemaid with instruction from Sarah. Not Issac from Sarah which formed the Jewish people.

Cast out by his Father. Try that truth.
17 months ago: No, the Jews use the Torah, which is the Christians O.T. They did not write the Koran. Muhammad did. Muhammad was supposed to be a prophet of God. Even though he married a 6 year old little girl when he was 51. He said he was the last prophet. Jesus, lived and died and predicted his second coming.in our N.T.
24 months ago: no, Chrissy will confirm that fact, the Roman Catholics wrote the Catholicism, a supplement to the Bible, but I can prove it to be wrong, here are some of the contents:

Answering your questions are in no way to put down the Roman Catholic church, my wife was Catholic, however now that your curiosity has be aroused, do some research, it's the only way to learn.

Mariology: the belief that Mary is the Mother of God and that her virginity continued after the birth of Jesus, that she never had any other children.

Immaculate Conception: the doctrine that Mary was conceived without sin, and was taken up bodily into heaven.

Co-Redemptrix: the doctrine that Mary suffered with Christ and nearly died with Him thereby assisting with the redemption of the human race.

Mediatrix: the belief that Mary mediates between man and God.

In 1517 Martin Luther, a theologian, Bible translator, and preacher objected to the new teachings. He emphasized the teaching of the Word of God directly from the Holy Bible as the one and only authority. His intention was not to break with the church but to reform it. His views were summarily rejected and he and his followers were forced out of the Catholic Church. Martin Luther began the first Protestant denomination. "My conscience is captive to the Word of God. Here I stand, I can do no other."
24 months ago: That is correct, but he was the eldest out of disobedience of Abraham, God told him that He was going to give him and Sara a son but they laughed, but Isaac was still the promise that God had planed to redeem us. not the son of the Egyptian maid.

If you say that you are a Christian, then did Jesus come from which son?
Winning this debate will result in your salvation, and that is the only reason I am doing this. Got all night?
24 months ago: To answer you question...

From God Almighty...

Not from man...

Want to get into that arguement?
24 months ago: Way, way, way back then was the world not built on a hierarchy of leaders and family?

If so why was the first son of Abraham cast out against his Fathers wishes?
Who promoted it? Who pushed the Father to cast out his eldest son?

Please, honest answer.
24 months ago: Timely, aren't you and the Roman Catholic New Testament?

Funny how dates change depending on context of said transcripts.
24 months ago: You did not get it the first time, watch it again.
24 months ago: No, I got it. It says they are breeding like rats and rabbits to take over the world.
24 months ago: Wrong,
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This is not an augment, its a civil debate.
24 months ago: Using your list you should delete the past and let Jesus become the starting point from you description of who get into heaven. His prior family did not know him so are they getting a pass?
17 months ago: It's not a list of who gets into Heaven, lol. It's genealogy, The Bible is full of it. Don't you know genealogy is proof of Gods word?
24 months ago: Lets keep focus please, the answer to your last question, its does not matter, Abraham did not trust God, just like a man, "Sarah", I don't believe God, so have sex with my servant, yes dear what ever you say.

God worked with him, until he was asked to use Isaac as a sacrifice, he trusted God and passed the test. God will work with us. Some are born and exposed to certain environments, Jesus is appearing to the Muslims and many are becoming Christians. (one who believes in Christ) remember there is only one truth, this is not a club choice.
24 months ago: So, the Founder of the three major religions by your words...

"did not trust God", and his wife said I am not able to bear your fruit so seed with my servant.....

Then after his seed was set and born, The Almighty laid upon them the burden of a rightous married family lineage child.

In today's world would we not hold the father to be the father of said child out of marriage?

UH? Today? I understand you want to digress to about 2000 + years ago but...

then again you can't even tell me when the Bible was written and by whom.
24 months ago: I do have this to ask of your list of desendants of God to Jesus.

Where are the females? Did God after the original creation make babies without Eve and her lineage?

Just goes back to show your a MAN of God.

I never got an answer to my question about when the Bible was adopted by the Roman Catholic Church.
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24 months ago: Actually, the begats cheat a little bit when tracing Jesus back to David. If Joseph is not the father of Jesus, and did not donate the sperm which became Jesus, why is he in the lineage leading from David to Jesus?
24 months ago: Because the Roman Catholic Church Bible says so....
24 months ago: Actually OOTB, I'm sure you know this but others might need the lesson.

Jewish religious lines follow the Mother. So everyone that wants to trace Jesus bact to david or even Adam won't get there because as OOTB said Joseph which you want in the David line was not the father of Jesus. So we must trace the Mothers line?

Is Mary related to Eve? Please thumper.
24 months ago: If Adam had repented he would have had a pass also.
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24 months ago: The Bible was translated into Latin, the Vulgate bible from Hebrew. Yes before it was translated into English for us folk.
24 months ago: Excuse me if I'm wrong, but weren't we discussing the Mosque at Ground Zero?

Even Edward has been distracted and is skipping the significance of what he has brought to our attention.

What is the purpose of a Mosque at that location? Has there been any official statement? Since I have not checked it out, is this really real or hype? I want to know. Please come back to the subject and inform me if y'all can.
24 months ago: Huey, first of all there is not going to be a mosque at ground zero.

Edward while being liberal in his words said...

"They bought a building"...

Meaning a building that was not part of "Ground Zero" unless I am mistaken and you guys in New York have started to erect buildings to sell at "Ground Zero"/

You tell me if I'm wrong. That is why once again it went off into a sub-stream.

Plaese, please, please....

Make me a liar about buildings in "Ground Zero". I mean the "Heart of Zero".

Not something a brick hit and chipped a wall or scratched a glass pane.
24 months ago: Where are the females? just goes to show you how far woman lib has come.
They even now receive equal pay, don't get me wrong I have nothing against women, even my mother was one.
24 months ago: Were did you come from Huey? "we" you just jumped in, but come on in, join the friendly debate.
24 months ago: The Word is more important, for someone who is hungry for it.
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24 months ago: Huey
It's real, they are not actually building a mosque, but are renovating the Burlington Coat Factory store that was damaged in the attacks, and has been vacant since. Because the organizers are planning to put social amenities there, there, such as indoor bowling and other recreation, the city planning council is all for it. As of now it is just an idea, as they have no funding, but they are working on getting the donation train rolling.

They plan on having a dedication service there on 9/11/2011.
24 months ago: Who is "they." And what is their stated purpose? They cannot skirt that issue, can "they"?
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24 months ago: The project is a collaboration between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, both of which work to improve relations with followers of the religion.

Their stated purpose is to try to heal the wounds of 9/11 by installing a mosque in the shadow of the World Trade Center.
17 months ago: And a Muslim in Buffalo decapitated his wife after founding the Muslim cable tv station "Bridges" which was also supposed to heal wounds and bridge the gap between Muslims and us infidels.
Do you know what Cordoba means? Do you know the Muslims have a history of building Mosques over holy places they conquer?
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24 months ago: Daisy Khan, executive director of the Muslim society, described her vision of a center led by Muslims, but serving the community as a whole.

"It will have a real community feel, to celebrate the pluralism in the United States, as well as in the Islamic religion," Khan said. "It will also serve as a major platform for amplifying the silent voice of the majority of Muslims who have nothing to do with extremist ideologies. It will counter the extremist momentum."

The need for the center is twofold, Khan said, because it will support the needs of the growing Muslim community.

"The time for a center like this has come because Islam is an American religion," Khan said. "We need to take the 9/11 tragedy and turn it into something very positive."

Sheffe said a community center for lower Manhattan residents is "desperately needed." The area was mostly commercial, Sheffe said, but as more people move downtown, the lack of residential amenities is a problem.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/07/new.yor...
24 months ago: you can't even tell me when the Bible was written and by whom.

I answered this question already,

The Bible is God-breathed. Its human authors were powerfully guided and directed by the Holy Spirit. As a result what they wrote is not only without error but also of supreme value for man. It is all that God wanted it to be. It constitutes the infallible rule of faith and practice for mankind.

The Spirit, however, did not suppress the personality of the writer but raised it to a higher level of activity (John 14:26:) And because the individuality of the human author was not destroyed, we find in Scripture a wide variety of style and language.


Old Testament Authors

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) was written by Moses at the end of his life in the wilderness just prior to the Israelites' entry into Canaan.

Joshua, Judges, and Ruth were all likely written during (or immediately prior to) the kingly reign of David over Israel by unnamed, pro-David/anti-Saul, priestly historians.

King David wrote the large portions of the Psalms before and during his reign over Israel. Other authors of Psalms include Moses (Psalm 90), Solomon (Psalms 72 and 127), the sons of Korah (Psalms 42-49; 84-85; and 87-88), the sons of Asaph (Psalms 50 and 73-83), and Ethan the Ezrahite (Psalm 89). A number of Psalms are also written anonymously.
24 months ago: If Joseph is not the father of Jesus, and did not donate the sperm which became Jesus, why is he in the lineage leading from David to Jesus?

Now that is a good question, I am not sure, I will have to research this, but since Jesus is the Son God would have to be the father, God planed that Joseph to be His earthly farther, and also that Joseph was from the linear of David, but that is a very good question.
24 months ago: Yes they are very persistent, our accommodation principals are our downfall, are they tolerant of us in there own countries? from the you tube video they have a plan, no wonder Jesus has to come back soon.
24 months ago: When...Give me a year....
24 months ago: Luk 2:4-5 - Not only does Joseph, who was of the royal line, go to Bethlehem (1Sa_16:1), but Mary too--not from choice surely in her condition, but, probably, for personal enrollment, as herself an heiress.

Luk 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
Luk 1:25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
Luk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Elisabeth was Mary aunt, and John the Baptiste was the cousin of Jesus, so they were both from the linage of David.

God has it covered from both parents, a man shall leave his mother and father and become one flesh, so any way you look at it whether the Holy spirit, Joesph or Mary. God does not make mistakes!

Because he was of the house - Of the family.
And lineage - The "lineage" denotes that he was descended from David as his father or ancestor. In taking a Jewish census, families were kept distinct; hence, all went to the "place" where their family had resided. Joseph was of the "family" of David, and hence he went up to the city of David. It is not improbable that he might also have had a small paternal estate in Bethlehem that rendered his presence there more desirable.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
24 months ago: "Elisabeth was Mary aunt, and John the Baptiste was the cousin of Jesus, so they were both from the linage of David."

That logic won't work. Until you establish that Mary was from the house of David, then being related to Jesus is not proof of pedigree. She went to Bethlehem with Joseph as his wife, because women were not counted. Luke 1:27 insists that it is Joseph who was from the House of David, not Mary.
In fact, Luke claims that Mary was the cousin of Elizabeth, who he says was a descendant of Aaron the high priest, placing her in the tribe of Levi, not David's tribe of Judah. Also in Luke 2:4, the author writes that the reason it was necessary for Joseph and Mary to return to Bethlehem was because Joseph was from the House of David.
24 months ago: The Gospels, Acts of the Apostles and Pauline epistles refer to Jesus of Nazareth as a descendant of David. The Gospels give two separate genealogies for Jesus.[2] Christian faith regards Jesus as having been born of a virgin, Mary, and, consequently, as not having natural human father. Nevertheless, he is considered to be a prince of Judah as though Mary's husband Joseph were in fact his father.[citation needed]

Matthew 1 uses the format: "A was the father of B, B was the father of C", etc. Luke 3:23-38, on the other hand, uses a word that can mean either "biological son" or "descendant", in the form "C was the son of B, who was the son of A". Matthew traces the lineage from David, through Solomon, while Luke traces the lineage through Nathan, Solomon's brother.[2] An explanation traditionally offered by Christian apologists is that Matthew is stating Joseph's line and Luke is stating Mary's line.[3] Under the Lucan text, Jesus would be a biological descendant of David through his mother.[4]

It is often this descent that is depicted in the Tree of Jesse subject in art, which usually shows Mary but rarely Joseph. Another solution to the problem of two genealogies was offered by Africanus and repeated by Eusebius in his Ecclesiastical History. Under the Torah a widowed woman could marry her late husband's brother, the children of the union being reckoned as the sons of the deceased, and thus the Gospel of Matthew is held to record Jesus' lineage by birth while Luke's by law, this distinction being defended by Luke's use of the phrase "Joseph son of Eli, as was supposed."

"Hence the genealogy traced through him will not be rendered void, which the evangelist Matthew in his enumeration gives thus: 'Jacob begot Joseph.' But Luke, on the other hand, says: 'Who was the son, as was supposed' (for this he also adds), 'of Joseph, the son of Eli, the son of Melchi'; for he could not more clearly express the generation according to law. And the expression 'he begot' he has omitted in his genealogical table up to the end, tracing the genealogy back to Adam the son of God.

This interpretation is neither incapable of proof nor is it an idle conjecture. "
The Gospels however emphasize the trinitarian aspect of Davidic lineage.[Mt. 22:45][Mk. 12:37][Lk. 20:44] Jesus outlines, that if he was to be a mere man, who would not exist till many ages after David's death, his forefather would not call him Lord. It means that Jesus is the Son of God and David's Lord equally with the God the Father (in other words, God manifested in the flesh is the Son of man and the Son of David, as Jesus teaches).[5]
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
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Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: Boring
That place is a place of business! It is ground Zero for consumerism! Period! They can build a temple to Bugs Bunny if they want, so long as they can pay the rent! We are not a religious society! We are secular. Why the heck should we care what religious organization wants to build a house of worship there? It would be different if the land that they wanted to build on belonged to the state of Israel. It does not! Are we about that now? Geeze!
PostScript: If anything we should let them build a mosque there and then build a Jewish synagogue, A Christian church, A Buddhist monastery, a Hindu temple, a Wiccan coven, a pagan retreat, an atheist house of learning all around it! Except who would pay for all of this?
17 months ago: Do we have to be so tolerant, that we tolerate the intolerant?
24 months ago: I don't agree, it's not about religion, do you agree or disagree with the video?
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: I recall when the threat to a Christian Western World was the Soviet Power of Communism. Remember that? Today that threat is a pale shadow of it's once powerful presence. Are you afraid of Muslims because they have a tendency to blow up or are you afraid of Muslims because their deity is more compelling than yours? I saw the video Edward and I am not impressed! The world is in danger of overpopulation of the human race period! It ca not sustain our growth and videos like that one only serve to distract humanity from responsible reproduction. Who cares if Western or Eastern or Northern or Southern culture survives if it does so at the expense of all other life on earth? If that is what you are worried about then your priorities are screwed up. G-d will cut time short in righteousness. It don't matter what our neighbor is doing. We need to be concerned with what we as individuals are doing!
markbyrn
markbyrn
 Moderator
24 months ago: ...As a memorandum of their achievement, a mosque is being built in New York ground zero...

Sheer religious defamation and coming from another religion that's had plenty of blood stained adherents killing & hating in the name of their god over it's history, it's rather rich of you to point fingers and promote more sectarian divisiveness.
24 months ago: It could be an ornate mosque or some type of a storefront, I really don't care.

I hope they mean well. Sounds like they do. Pretty gutsy move on their part.

The situation could do more for healing than for division depending on how all the parties involved handle it. Hope for the best.
24 months ago: I am not with the same mindset, this is not likely to affect me in any way, but while the Greeks were having a party, the Trojan house (Still seeking to gain entrance into Troy, clever Odysseus, some say with the aid of Athena, ordered a large wooden horse to be built. Its insides were to be hollow so that soldiers could hide within it).

Once the statue had been built by the artist Epeius, a number of the Greek warriors, along with Odysseus, climbed inside. The rest of the Greek fleet sailed away, so as to deceive the Trojans. was brought right into the city, same thing with Hitler, taking Europe, the Minster of England said the same thing, lets talk, thank God for Sir Winston Churchill, we would be all speaking German now.

Well radical Muslims are our worst nightmare, they say we will wipe Israel of the map. most other Muslims countries does not recognize Israel as a country.

Yes most Muslims are nice people, but the radicals have been successful in converting them, and it's easy because the Koran backs them up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9...

Why are America and other Nato nations sons and doughters are being killed on a daily basas.

How can you fight someone that believes that if they blow themselfs up that they will have ten vigins waiting for them.

Will you take this threat seriously, if they are successful in setting of a nuclear device in New York or some subway in the US, they are trying everyday, when Iran has complete its development of nukes, only one has to get through, then everyone will panic, the economy will be seriously affected and do you think that the US can withstand another blow, It will become like Greece. God is Love, but He never said to be STUPID.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9...
24 months ago: Edward - I tend to agree with the lion share of what you write, but don't blow this one out of proportion. We have to co-exist with people whether we see eye to eye or not.

Unless there is some type of overt threat, we don't have the right to block where people live or do business unless some type of law is being broken. We are in the last days but this is not the tribulation.

What would you propose the people of NYC do?

I understand the concern, but let's keep it in perspective. If folk walk to shoot off a dirty bomb or blow themselves up, they don't have to do it coming from the doorway of a mosque or any other particular type of building. Sad, but that's the reality of what we have to deal with.
24 months ago: Huey, both of these men are saying exactly the same thing, and I am in full agreement.

Geert Wilders http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdX1qpCtl... four weeks to go before the general elections in the Netherlands, Geert Wilders and the Party for Freedom are now engaged in a life-and-death.


Prime Minister John Howard says the Government is willing to go inside mosques, prayer halls and Islamic schools to ensure they are not preaching terrorism.

"I mean I have no desire and nor is it the Government's intention to interfere in anyway with the freedom or practice of religion," he said.

"But we have a right to know whether there is, within any section of the Islamic community, a preaching of the virtues of terrorism."

"If you want to be an Australian, if you want to raise your children in Australia, we fully expect those children to be taught and to accept Australian values and beliefs," he said.

MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO LIVE UNDER ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW TOLD TO GET OUT!
MUSLIMS who want to live under Islamic Sharia law was told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to fend off potential terroist attacks.

Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nations mosques. Quote. " IMMIGRANTS NOT AUTRALIANS MUST ADJUST.

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. I'm tired of this nation worrying whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.

This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by the millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not, Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society..LEARN THE LANGUAGE!

Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian Principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.

It is certainly appropriate to display it on our walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept OURS AND LIVE in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, OUR CULTURE AND OUR LIFESTYLE, we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.

But once YOU ARE DONE complaining, whining, and griping about our Flag, our Pledge, Our Christian Beliefs or OUR WAY OF LIFE, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great Australian freedom. THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!

If you aren't happy here then LEAVE! We didn't force you too come here. So accept the country you accepted.

WOW, finally a Leader who places His Country, His God, before any other gods. I wonder why the USA, Canada and other countries don't do the same? When in Rome you do as the Romans..is a famous quote.

Trust me if you go to any Arab country, you have to dress the way the women dress there or else you are jailed, tortured, whipped and who knows what else might happen to you. I will not travel to any of those countries and we are told to stay away..with reason.

If I travel to any country, I find out what they are, their ways and I adjust to it to honor the people I am visiting..so why not any person who wants to come and live in my country not do the same thing? After all, we didn't force them to come to live with us, they wanted to come to enjoy freedom, so it's them to adjust to us and not us to learn their ways or their language..after all..it is my country, no
Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
24 months ago: I tend to agree with Mark here. All Religion is foul. It is one thing to have a peaceful hope of eternal life by faith in G-d's undying love. But look at the beliefs of those around us. Kill this, Murder that, Enslave the other, Rape the fist. Religion is really foul!
17 months ago: Well that's the way it looks to those who refuse to put their faith and trust in the Lord who can and will show them the way, the truth and the light.
24 months ago: I could quote a lot of scriptures, to prove that God, wants us to love, but to be wise in regards to attacks from evil, remember that it is Christian organizations that help and feed the poor, I am a part of one myself, www.houseofthegoodshepherd.org. ISLAMIC SHARIA, is not a religion, Satan want you to give up on Christianity.

The Bible says that they overcome will inherent the Kingdom of Heaven, and that the road is narrow and few shall find it, people can believe in anything, but the ONLY one ISLAMIC, is where the destroyer is coming, from within, mark my words things are going to begin happening soon.
22 months ago: http://www.godtube.com/featured/video/mosque-near-ground-zero&utm_source=newsletter070710&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weeklytopvideos
21 months ago:
Of Mosques and Men: Reflections on the Ground Zero Mosque

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxFzFIDbK...
21 months ago: Obama is right but it is going to cost him big-time, he should have kept his mouth shut.

"President Obama is wrong," Mr. King said. "It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero. While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much.

The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from Ground Zero. Unfortunately the president caved into political correctness."

20 months ago: Egyptian Cleric Salem Abu Al-Futuh: We Will Conquer Italy and the Rest of Europe, as Well as North and South America; The West Will Convert to Islam

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0...
wilburtross
wilburtross
Canada
17 months ago: If Christians were to build a church wherever they had committed an atrocity the whole world would be covered in them.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
17 months ago: That's either a gross exaggeration, or a very loose use of the term atrocity.

Care to back your generalized statement up with some proof?
wilburtross
wilburtross
Canada
17 months ago: not really, I just enjoy making random statements that can't be proven or disproven. Honestly, I just use this site to vent feelings I would never have the nerve to say to a real person's face. Because I'm a massive, throbbing, tool. No hard feelings.

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