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5000 hits?

Posted 14 months ago|102 comments|1,135 views
How can an average person compete?
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Paper Tiger
England
Looking at RR today I've noticed that some of our authors are getting 1000's of hits per post. It puts me off trying to start a post as it will not be seen by anybody as it will stuck with a couple of dozen of, also rans, propping up the bottom of the failures.

So how do these people get such fantastic numbers of people looking at their posts? The titles of some of them have do not seem fantastically magnetic. They don't scream at me to click on that post. So how's it done?

I used to really enjoy this site but I cannot compete with these people, they are out of my league. It used to be fun but now I am writing with professionals I find it a bit sad to be humbled into the bottom of the pile, that my posts are not good enough, to go anywhere.

I have been looking at other sites and Triond tend to publish everything I do, I know we do not get published anymore by google, but thats not the point. The people I post with are like old friends and I feel at ease with them.

Even sadder this post will not be read by many people as it has to get 3000 hits to be taken seriously. Anyway at least I have had my say. Good luck everyone bye.
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justlogic
justlogic
14 months ago: Don't go.

Look at my stuff, I do not get thousands of hits and I am certainly not a pro.
I am a total hack, I just like getting my opinions out.
Stick around and keep writing.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Thanks Buddy
14 months ago: Dudage, don't go away.

Something has got to be wrong with this set-up.

Why is it that the top Rants and Raves are 2 - 4 weeks OLD.

Doesn't make sense to me. It did not use to be that way.

It gets stale and boring looking at this old stuff day after day after day after day.

These posts had slipped away after a time and now they are back and at the top no less. How and why is that? Hits? Comments? Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see the direct correlation.

Can someone please give us an answer? Moderators?

I would think this has to change. If it does not change, they are not just going to lose their regular audience, but they are going to lose some authors as well.

At least hang out to see what happens.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Hi Huey

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

At one time I could be watching t/v, reading a paper or just relaxing with my eyes shut and something would jump up and bite me in the arse.

The first thing I thought of was posting it, and the fun random posting can be. I have been sitting in my back room with my pc and have laughed so loud my wife thinks I'm crazy.

But as I said it was fun! Now I know we are skint but maybe we could think of something that is unique but cheap. I will put my thinking cap on.
14 months ago: For example: CelebCrazy and Chris D have not written a piece in almost a year (11 MONTHS), yet they are in the Top Ten Authors. How does that work?

The splash page looks screwed up by regular standards. Am I missing something?

Someone please explain.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: The reason older posts are appearing in the Top Rants/Rave is because it is based on activity in the past 7 days. You'll notice that one of the posts is about American Idol results and, yesterday at least, one of the posts was about a live Apple event. This week, there was an Apple event and an American Idol results show, so that is what people were searching for. They found our site, even though the posts were referring to events that happened a year ago.

We are working on a number of changes right now, and that is one of the issues that will be addressed.
14 months ago: Thanks Alex.
14 months ago: The number of posts has dropped precipitously in the wake of the revenue cut and the criticism of spammers, plagiarizers and those who pimp words for ad clicks.

So the loss of content has slowed the postings dramatically, but what we lost was junk anyways. I will post more in the food section, but since I'm the only one doing posts there now I don't want to be a hog so I let a week go by hoping others would get in there.

Alex_ has a post I refer to his "time is money" piece where he teaches how to maximize income by the way you write, but more importantly, he explains the arcane technical details of what's called search engine optimization (SEO) and how to get your writing linked throughout the net so people surfing will come across the link and land at R&R: those thousands of hits are by people who probably aren't R&R members, and perhaps never even heard of it before.

TCG talks about how this SEO stuff gets abused -- calls it black hat seo -- and also refers to things like 'link farming" and so on. These are abuses of the system that apparently get you short term gains at long term expense: google and others catch up to you and pull services, etc.

The thousands of hits certain writers get is not based on the quality of the content, and just because somebody is good at the technical details of back linking/ seo stuff doesn't mean they have anything worthwhile to read, it means they got people to click on a link and probably speed scan the junk piece before moving on. In a proper business, the techies would be in a dank basement staring at a computer screen, while the creative content writers would have windows to stare out while they think creatively about what they are going to write.

cont'd below...

14 months ago: Cont'd from above...

Creative and good writing that is deeply meaningful does not come easily to anybody -- and it is rare to see it here at R&R, and that is not a put down of R&R or its remaining coterie of writers, rather it's my opinion that R&R has a higher percentage of quality than the general average throughout the net, and that there are more good writers here, per capita, than in many other places on the net.

Take for example the recent post by Mr. Logic on China -- it's brilliant. Sure he and I have our spat, and that's fine, but I would never let a spat get in the way of expression that needs to be heard over the din, even if the spat is somewhat entertaining. I think what needs to happen is we need to post real quality for some time to be recognized -- we need to band together as a writers group and support each other. And please, no shrinking violets on the comments page -- that's where the fun is and where the real meat can be consumed. The vibrancy of the comments is where some of the rants and raves take off, and we should embrace that.

So let's all read and comment on each others stuff and work to build this website into something we can all be proud of now that the spammers, plagiarizers and ad-click pimps are run out. I for one encourage you to read logic's China post. Then, maybe GN will come back and other avenues will open up.

Also, I'd love to hear from out moderators what they think about all this -- Alex, Mark, Rudi and Box, any thoughts?
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Hi
You are spot on, I have written for other sites and get no satisfaction at all.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: The older posts that are popping up in the ranking system are there due to requests to feature some of the older writers. In lieu of an archive on the front page, admin has started putting posts from bygone days on the front page. Check out :
http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/RantRave-Au...
Alex Layton
Administrator
Seattle, WA 14 days ago: "I like your idea of an archive, but programming is money and right now, we don't have it. Maybe I could start featuring older rants and raves in the Rant and Rave of the Day on weekends, or something like that. "


PaperTiger, keep writing, you have a definitive talent. Just backlink to work here on as many other sites as possible. Start a twitter page. You can drive traffic here and help out the entire site.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Dear Mr Box.

Thank you for your comments, they mean alot. I will stick around and see what happens.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: Plutonomister

Your vision of the type of site RantRave should become is exactly what Alex Layton wants. He discussed it in the post: http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/RantRave-Go...

My understanding is that RantRave direction is being focused more on quality content and vibrant discussion of opinion than on mere revenue generating clicks.
14 months ago: Thanks for the clarity. I'm sure things will move in the right direction over time. Still a nice sandbox.
14 months ago: Keep it in perspective.

5000 hits with 2 comments is a crappy post.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Hi Cypress

Re, 5000 hits with 2 comments is a crappy post.

But how is it done?
14 months ago: How it is done is not important unless you want to lower yourself to that level. Just know that somewhere the s**t will hit the fan. It won't be pretty when I get wind of it.
14 months ago: You need some hits to validate? Watch this. Right now this article has 10 comments and 31 views. This comment will make it 11 comments and 31 views. Check back in 15 minutes. Too much fun!
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Hi Guys
When something as inportant as Tiddley Winks, is put on a back burner there is something wrong.
14 months ago: One of the authors on here "tweets" their posts. The name they use is "Newsblogger". People click the link provided and it leads the person to the "money" page which is here. They don't look at any other content on this site.
I pointed that out earlier this week. So if you are looking for many views on your article you have to join twitter, get 1,000 followers, and get paid for everyone who reads it. I guess it's legal.
14 months ago: The REAL reason there are 5000 hits is the writers have mulitple twitter accounts and keep re-tweeting the articles so they get paid for more hits...

Lisa..."teitkitti" aka "newsblogger1" keeps sending the same links out.

Lisa
@TwitiKitti
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TwitiKitti Lisa
Your Health News Corner: Sexual Addiction is it Real? http://t.co/FP7se4I
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TwitiKitti Lisa
News Corner: Rave - iPrayer: Confessions by iPhone and iPad http://t.co/Lckkbhh
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TwitiKitti Lisa
Your Health News Corner: New York City Launches Free Condoms http://t.co/nnmbE6b
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Christina Aguilera ARRESTED! http://gossipnewscorner.blogspot.com/
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The Middle East Unrest Will Lead To Higher Gas Prices | The Citizen Herald: http://bit.ly/gMU5Bg via @addthis
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News Corner: The Rumor Mill is Flying about Steve Jobs http://t.co/nBxUy4D
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Those Painful Pot Holes http://rantrave.com/Rant/The-Painful-Pot...
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Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Hi Happy.

Thanks for the info my friend.
14 months ago: Yeah but honesty gets you nowhere in this world. Sad.
14 months ago: And here is her tweets under "newsblogger1"

Results for Newsblogger1
Tweets Tweets with links Tweets near you People »
newsblogger1 Lisa
Rant - What is E. coli Bacteria? http://t.co/GFdk7Td via @AddThis
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
newsblogger1 Lisa
Rant - Bedbugs Everywhere http://t.co/uXLGWHw via @AddThis
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
newsblogger1 Lisa
Your Health News Corner: Sexual Addiction is it Real? http://t.co/FP7se4I
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
newsblogger1 Lisa
News Corner: Rave - iPrayer: Confessions by iPhone and iPad http://t.co/Lckkbhh
14 months ago: Could this be an overload? Maybe the site needs to charge for abusive bandwidth abuse?
14 months ago: Lisa
@EmpiressM123
I am new to blogging and hope you will come and visit my site for the lastest news and opinions.http://newscorner-lisa.blogspot.com/. Follow . Timeline Favorites Following
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EmpiressM123 Lisa
Minnesota Attempting to Ban Smoking on County Property http://rantrave.com/Rant/Minnesota-Attem...
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
EmpiressM123 Lisa
Rant - What is E. coli Bacteria? http://t.co/GFdk7Td via @AddThis
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
EmpiressM123 Lisa
Rant - Bedbugs Everywhere http://t.co/uXLGWHw via @AddThis
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
EmpiressM123 Lisa
Rant - Dealing with Pack Rat Syndrome http://t.co/CgkXYOL via @AddThis
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
14 months ago: Happy? Can is suggest you take all of that to a Rant of your own?

Maybe title it "Mono-Lisa, How to take down a site with a smile."

I release that tiltle to you and you only.
14 months ago: They removed it. She had atleast 7 twitter accounts constantly tweeting her posts on here. How can this be legal????
14 months ago: Alex Layton if you allow one person to monopolize this site then please delete my account. It is unfair that one person can make this a "cash" site by having 7 or 8 twitter accounts. PLEASE delete me if this is going to continue.
14 months ago: lcnewscorner701 Lisa Thomas
Rant - A Teenage Girl with Leukemia http://t.co/3bRste2 via @AddThis
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
lcnewscorner701 Lisa Thomas
Rant - Why Mammograms are Important http://t.co/QNrH99e via @AddThis
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lcnewscorner701 Lisa Thomas
Rant - Drug and Food Recalls http://t.co/O0ogDtC via @AddThis
2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
14 months ago: hlthomas36 Lisa
Rave - Cancer Prevention through Food Sources http://t.co/Lc4qJdv via @AddThis
3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
hlthomas36 Lisa
Rave - Salmon Dip Recipe http://t.co/A9A1265 via @AddThis
3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
hlthomas36 Lisa
Rant - Housing Sales are at the Lowest in 13 Years http://t.co/WekStmN via @AddThis
3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
14 months ago: They who?
14 months ago: The Moderators removed my RANT.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: Your rant was a list of links. That's spam.
14 months ago: And her twittering with over 7 fake twitter profiles is cool? REMOVE my profile if her actions are acceptable. If thats the rules here I dont want to be a member.
14 months ago: Re-write it Happy so it is not a list of links.
14 months ago: The second article wasn't spam.... was it?
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: Do you suggest we remove the "share" buttons altogether? Should I monitor every single post that has been "tweeted", to verify it is from a unique person? Or, do you just want me to delete her account because you don't like her?
14 months ago: She is abusing this site. I don't like her because she is a liar and a proven cheat.
14 months ago: I think I suggested that a few posts ago when I offered to setup a automatic twitter feed.
14 months ago: The tweets are not coming from the "share" button. They are coming from 5 Twitter Accounts by a woman named Lisa.
14 months ago: I guess it is ok to set up multiple twitter accounts using FAKE pictures of pretty women tweet them hourly to destroy this site but it is not ok to let people know what is happening. I am mad as hell
14 months ago: Good bye..... This is total crap.
14 months ago: Wow. This post made it to the now number two spot? Ready to move to number one? Nice....

With all of those 5000 page views.... Uh? Sorry.
14 months ago: All I want to know is - is this a for profit site? Is management trying to make a profit? If so then someone needs to explain to the nimrod council how that is accomplished. If not. then I suppose you all can sit in here and twiddle your thumbs because soon enough you will be the only ones left to tell.
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14 months ago: I have wrote 2 articles about this and Alex has removed both. She has at least 5 twitter accounts and is tweeting these articles hourly. Either Alex is making too much money or he doesn't care. I am working with Twitter since this is against their policy. I have also written Adsense.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Hi Happy.
Thanks for your information and your support, Stay and see this one out. It could get interesting. Many thanks
14 months ago: Here is my twitter feed for the last 5 minutes. The posts are CONSTANTLY tweeted over and over again.

newsblogger1 Lisa
http://rantrave.com/Rant/Children-Sex-Of...
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
newsblogger1 Lisa
Rant - Bedbugs Everywhere http://t.co/uXLGWHw via @AddThis
6 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
14 months ago: Its good vs evil and I am sure I will get kicked off for telling the facts.
14 months ago: Its really funny with the profile pics she uses on twitter. In one picture she is a beautiful 25 year old American-type and in another she is 36 and from Puerto-Rico with bleach blond hair....
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: Happygolucky

What are your issues with her concerning this site, and this site only?

Is she violating the Terms of Use for RantRave? Do they need to broaden them to include a background check for every member?

If a person violates any terms of service on any site, should they be banned from RantRave?
14 months ago: The real question is when it is proven that a member like smartygirl is using RantRave to scam the system why is she allowed to still have a RantRave account? When Happygolucky posts a Rant about Lisa (smartygirl) and her many Twitter links it gets deleted by RantRave.

I thought RantRave was about publishing your opinions, your rants, your raves, your feelings on a given subject. Not about spamming your message on multiple Twitter, Facebook, Blogger feeds in order to scam AdSense and make some money off the ads.

Granted, RantRave could delete smartygirl and people like her, but she would just come back under a different Screen Name. Perhaps banning by IP address is in order. I thought RantRave was going to clean some of this up.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: Culley

Banning by IP address wouldn't work either. Even static IP addresses can be changed easily, and different computers on the same network have different IP addresses.
14 months ago: That's true, but if RantRave really wanted these types off RantRave I'm sure there would be ways to do it.

The questions that need to be answered:

Are people that are only using RantRave as the Money Page or part of a Link Wheel welcome here?

If not, and if and when these people are found to be doing this on RantRave will their posts be removed and account deleted?

Personally, I think these people need to be exposed and if I were Alex I would edit their original post with a disclaimer warning the reader.

"Warning this RantRave Author (insert name) is suspected of using social media like Twitter / Facebook and personal blogs to spam this message. Known alias are (insert Twitter feed names). RantRave suggests that you unfollow or unfriend the link that brought you to this page."

Some of these authors have been exposed on RantRave, but not to their audience and their followers. Expose what they are doing or keep deleting their posts and and they will go away.


14 months ago: What is weird is that when a "Real Life" story is posted it does not get the overage that a pineapple upside down cake recipe does...

http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/What-is-Nor...


14 months ago: When a member is using this site as their "cash cow" and you guys get 50% of the money knowing they are breaking the rules on both Twitter and Adsense it should be something you should be concerned with. Five profiles tweeting the same articles hourly is wrong and you know it. But since you are get getting 50% of the profit from Adsense lining your pockets I am sure you will turn your head.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: "...breaking the rules on both Twitter and Adsense..."

Having more than one Twitter account: I haven't read in Twitter TOS or Twitter Rules anything forbidding having more than one account. They do mention using multiple accounts in the context of "disruptive or abusive purposes."

Adsense rules. Again I'm at a loss.

Happy, please make your case as to how anyone is violating TOS or rules on any website. Please provide direct quotes and links from said websites Rules, guidelines or ToS.
14 months ago: Perhaps you should talk to Alex about this.

In anyone's definition sending links to the same posts from 5 Twitter accounts is considered SPAM. "bedbugs" is tweeted hourly from 5 accounts 24 hours a day. That is 120 times a day or 840 times a week. From Twitters rules and regs:

Spam and Abuse
Twitter strives to protect its users from spam and abuse. Technical abuse and user abuse is not tolerated on Twitter.com, and will result in permanent suspension. Any accounts engaging in the activities specified below are subject to permanent suspension.

•Serial Accounts: You may not create serial accounts for disruptive or abusive purposes, or with overlapping use cases. Mass account creation may result in suspension of all related accounts. Please note that any violation of the Twitter Rules is cause for permanent suspension of all accounts.

"Overlapping Uses" hmmmm Tweeting the same article from 5 accounts at the same time is considered Overlapping.

Alex sent me a email last night saying he would deal with this problem this weekend. He also removed 2 RANTS I published on this subject. If you have nothing to hide then why did he remove this posts?
14 months ago: Not that I really want to jump in on this one....But, if tweets are being re-sent on an hourly basis....

Twitter ToS: http://twitter.com/tos
''interfere with, or disrupt, (or attempt to do so), the access of any user, host or network, including, without limitation, sending a virus, overloading, flooding, spamming, mail-bombing the Services, or by scripting the creation of Content in such a manner as to interfere with or create an undue burden on the Services.''
14 months ago: I am out of this place. They know I am right which is why they removed my Rants about this subject to save their behinds. I am not the "idiot" the moderators think I am.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: "...why did he remove this posts?"

Two reasons, I suspect. One, as Alex stated, was full of links. Two, posting articles attacking a member of RantRave is against policy. Now you've done your duty, and reported everything that you can find. There is no great conspiracy to get paid by tweeting the system. I'm sure Alex is looking into the situation with his team of gurus, and checking to make sure his ducks ar in a row before he makes a determination. I certainly am not in on any such cover-up or payola.

Obviously the author in question has invested a lot of time and energy in building up her readership, and has learned ways of increasing her site traffic. This has harmed other authors here in only one way: their articles don't get top billing on the splash page unless they generate a lot of interest or comments. Since you said most of the visits have been hit and run, 78% aren't looking at the splash page anyway, and never would have been here if not for the bounce traffic. The real indicator would be the fact that 48% of traffic directed here came from a search engine, not from a Twitter feed. That number reflects a 25% increase from the previous 3 months. That leaves 52% who come from either a backlink, a newsfeed link, or like me, who just uses the link in my email to open RR.
14 months ago: Just in case you forgot Alex's Memo:

"Lastly, to minimize the Get Paid to Post aspect of the site, we are removing graphics and links that discuss it. Additionally, we will return to a 50/50 revenue share. Our ads will alternate with yours."
14 months ago: Here is some more proof.

hlthomas36 Lisa
The Miscalculations of Governor Scott Walker http://rantrave.com/Rant/The-Miscalculat...
42 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

newsblogger1 Lisa
The Miscalculations of Governor Scott Walker http://rantrave.com/Rant/The-Miscalculat...
55 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

EmpiressM123 Lisa
The Miscalculations of Governor Scott Walker http://rantrave.com/Rant/The-Miscalculat...
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

hlthomas36 Lisa
Rant - The Miscalculations of Governor Scott Walker http://t.co/qisafun via @AddThis
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply
14 months ago: Hmm.... 78% of visitors to this site are "bounces" according to Alexa....


Rantrave.com's three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 67,557. Compared with the overall internet population, the site appeals more to users who browse from school and home; its audience also tends to consist of childless women aged under 25 and 35–55 who have incomes between $30,000 and $100,000 and have no postgraduate education. Visitors to this site view 1.7 unique pages each day on average. Rantrave.com is based in the US. About 78% of visits to this site are bounces (one pageview only).

14 months ago: Did you have a point to make with this statement? Of course they were bounces. They came here straight from google news read what they wanted to and then left. The only stat of interest to those looking for whatever wrong doing your looking for, and that is average time spent on page. If they came and read then thats working as intended. If they came and simply clicked and left thats another story.

Honestly guys. This is what happens when a crowd of folks who think they know whats going on gets involved with whats really going on. Knowing half of any story is a real danger. This is not your personal forum any more then it is mine.
14 months ago: Those numbers came after we were removed from google news. Next question?
14 months ago: Perhaps this person is working with you guys to increase revenue on this site? If thats the case OOTB let us know now.
14 months ago: State of Twitter Spam
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010
If you look "spam" up in the dictionary, you'll find two definitions. There's the "canned meat" and then there's the "unwanted email." At Twitter, we see spamming as a variety of different behaviors that range from insidious to annoying. Posting harmful links to phishing or malware sites, repeatedly posting duplicate tweets, and aggressively following and un-following accounts to attract attention are just a few examples of spam on Twitter. Like it or not, as the system becomes more popular, more and more spammers will try to do their thing. We're constantly battling against spam to improve the Twitter experience and we're happy to report that it's working.

14 months ago: Actually, It would not be that hard to write a script that would only change the time/date stamps in a file then save it so it looks like a new post every hour. Then automatically upload it to yoursite/feed1/rss, yoursite/feed2/rss, yoursite/feed3/rss etc. Then one would only need to setup several twitterfeed - http://twitterfeed.com/ - accounts to tweet them every hour for you.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: Hi Cypress.
This is mind boggling, It's way over my tiny little mind.

If it looks like spam, and cheating, If it walks like spam, and cheating. It's cheating. There is nothing as interesting than to have an idea, or a winge, and sharing that idea with some clever buddies. RR are trying to redeem theirselves by sticking to the letter of the law. To me that is a cowards way out.

And just one other thing, idiots like me use this blog to learn, not to get recognised.
14 months ago: From my Twitter feed at 3:39 PM EST Tell me this isn't SPAM.

newsblogger1 Lisa
Rant - Bedbugs Everywhere http://t.co/uXLGWHw via @AddThis
24 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
IBBSolutions Jimmy Lawrence
Rant - Bedbugs Everywhere http://t.co/uXLGWHw via @AddThis http://bit.ly/fhWtYi
36 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
TwitiKitti Lisa
Rant - Bedbugs Everywhere http://t.co/uXLGWHw via @AddThis
46 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »
newsblogger1 Lisa
Rant - Bedbugs Everywhere http://t.co/uXLGWHw via @AddThis
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply
14 months ago: After I complete this post I am deleting my account so I don't know if it will remain. I was under the impression that this site was for EVERYONE. Some of us work 2 full-time jobs and because of that we suffer. Our posts are lost in cyber space do to someone who obviously spends hours a day doing this rather then working or looking for a job. Constant spamming to keep your articles on top in my opinion is wrong and its all about the money which you get 1/2 of. Good luck and if this site ever becomes fair again I will rejoin. Peace.
14 months ago: Could someone please tell me what he's talking about? More so, I'd really like an explanation for this kind of obsessive behavior. I really like Happy despite this flare up, and it's not unusual for people to go off the reservation, once in a while, but does it really have to come to this?

Happy, if your still listening, please assume Alex has got your back -- he's not out to get you or anyone, he's probably trying his best, we have no reason to think otherwise. I will miss you and I don't think this is a good enough reason to quit -- can you imagine quitting a job you need over such a disagreement? You have suffered much worse, my friend, and this is nothing compared to that. You have made your point well, and it is being taken care of with all speed, I'm sure, and we all have to wait while the whole ship is righted. Your complaint is but just one.

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Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: I second what Plutonomister said. This site IS for everyone. Even those that are doing really well at dominating it. We once had a writer that posted 4 or 5 articles per day, simply to get to number 1 status. He got his wish, and soon vanished. Because of him, the suggested limits were placed on postings by the site administration.

We're all waiting with bated breath to find out what the ruling will be on using multiple feeds to generate views. If it goes in favor of the author, then it just sets the bar higher for the rest of us. If it goes in favor of the complainants, then we can settle back into our comfortable niche of relative obscurity and discuss things here amongst ourselves.
14 months ago: While I only can hope for a level playing field. Sometimes the grass gets torn up. All you can do is replant and wait for it to take. One thing you can't do is over fertilize. I'm taking a small break as I have more pressing needs at the present time. I might tell ya'll more later. Which ever way it swings I'm in that game. Yes, that includes multiple feeds if need be. I disagree with that process but if it is the only game in town...
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: You'r to good a buddy the leave this site. I had a dig and I am sorry my friend
14 months ago: Paper.

I consider you quite intelligent, witty and all ears.

I learn from you, and respect your opinions.

I read everything you post, and you have taught me a bunch.

There are very few I could say that about.

Go nowhere my friend, and G-d save the queen.
Paper Tiger
Paper Tiger
England
14 months ago: What a very kind thing to say my very good friend. **** the queen!
14 months ago: The "Twitter Queens" accounts have been deleted by Twitter for TOS abuse. The 5000 hits will go away... for awhile.
14 months ago: Maybe you could post the Twitter account names for the Twitter Queens?

No names...Just defunct Twitter account names....

I'm still awaiting a redo of the top posts on this site...

Maybe it is too hard to change the site algorithms to adjust a spam article to a TRASH BIN.

I thought that would be easy using the DELETE feature. Then again. Someone has to grow some huevoes to click DELETE.
14 months ago: They have started a new twitter account. If you have twitter please report Agentblue2011 as spam.
14 months ago: Let me guess the next spam name....

smokeupyourtwitter

Sorry, I just grabbed that one.


14 months ago: Dang. It cut the name off at

smokeupyourtwit

Then again it might have more meaning. Those folks a Twitter are Psychic!
14 months ago: Yeah, yeah. Better act fast...

I'm going to grab

smokeupyourtwat

next.........
14 months ago: Better yet. Inform there account with the truth. Over and over. Dang?

Make sure you change the words so it is not spam.
14 months ago: My days of writing articles on here are over. My second article was NOT spam. It exposed a money making scheme that was against Twitters TOS and everyone knew it. When you write a post it gets lost on here because people send out THOUSANDS of tweets from multiple accounts. It stays under "recent posts" for a bit then disappears due to the illegal tweeting of member to make money on Adsense. The Moderators need to grow some b*lls and level the playing field. But since they get 50% of the illegal revenue they won't.
I lead a productive life and don't have time to "tweet" all day to keep my posts on top. But I promise you I now have a "in" at Twitter and will report all illegal activities by one particular person on here.
14 months ago: I'm sorry to see you go Happygolucky, but I understand. I cut back on my writing on RantRave after the spam attack and the actions of "SG" were exposed. I feel you may be correct about the RantRave staff and their reluctance to cut loose people like "SG" as they do make money off of them.

I had two simple questions that never did get answered by the RR staff and I guess by not answering them they actually did tell me, us, how they felt.

1). Are people that are only using RantRave as the Money Page or part of a Link Wheel welcome here?
2). If not, and if and when these people are found to be doing this on RantRave will their posts be removed and account deleted?

I think people like "SG" have no business on RantRave if they are only here to scam the system and make money off AdSense. I would think that Google would not allow sites that contained such spam onto Google News and that Google might even cancel RR's AdSense account since RR is getting revenue off of the spam too.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: The answer to both questions is:

Moderators are not paid by RantRave or Google Adsense for anything other than Adsense clicks on their own posts. Moderators do not set policy. Moderators try to enforce RR TOS and guidelines. What people do on other sites and services is not within our scope at this time.
14 months ago: All along, I'm sittin' here dreaming...Box now has the power to fix what's wrong with the world...But, wait -- he's not doing that...He's just enforcing TOS...Wasn't he gonna save the world?...But Obama too -- wasn't he the savior? Wasn't he gonna be the change we all wanted to see in the world? Nope, like Box, Obama is left to enforcing the corporate TOS that rule us all.
Out Of The Box
Out Of The Box
 Moderator
14 months ago: Ah, but if Box was president of RR, he could make executive decisions. And you use the term "we all" rather loosely.
14 months ago: Thanks for the answer Box, but I know it is Alex that owns and runs the site and he alone is the one to answer those questions, not you and not Mark.

I also understand that Mods have the same account as regular members do, just that they can delete others posts and have a little more control of what is posted on RR. The owner is different. If RR or Alex has an AdSense account that directly benefits from ALL the Ad Clicks on RR I can understand why RR would not delete an author that was bringing in thousands of page views. Even if they are only bringing in thousands of page views in order to scam AdSense and make money they are not entitled to under the TOS.

I also understand that RR cannot control the TOS on other sites like Twitter or Facebook or whatever, but if a RR author is known to have violated other the TOS of other sites do you not assume that they will also violate the TOS on RantRave too? Other than Box now becoming a Mod, I have seen no notable changes since the "Refocused Efforts" post Alex did. I also agree with Pluto in that the "old" Box seemed to rant against these type of people yet "Mod" Box lets them stay on RR.

That's just my opinion of course and I seem to be part of a very small minority that thinks people that do what "SG" did and continues to do, has no place on RantRave. I think Happygolucky makes the third or maybe fourth regular Top 10 RantRave Authors that I have seen recently say they are leaving RantRave over the "SG" issue.
Alex Layton
Alex Layton
 Administrator
Puyallup, WA
14 months ago: The reason smartygirl has not been deleted is because she has not violated any RR terms of use. In fact, she has agreed to every request I've made. I asked her to stop posting recipes and she did. I asked her to stop posting articles that lack any opinion and she started adding her opinion. If Twitter or FB have a problem with her activity, then it is their problem. Your comment...

if a RR author is known to have violated other the TOS of other sites do you not assume that they will also violate the TOS on RantRave too?

... is hardly fair. Sure, you can assume she might, but until she does, why would I (or OOTB) kick her off RantRave?

Regarding site changes, they take time. In the two past weeks, we have met with our programmer a few times. We have presented our requests to him and now we are waiting on his proposal to decide what we can and cannot afford at this time. Once we make that decision, it will probably take a few weeks to implement everything.

Be patient, though. Change is coming.
justlogic
justlogic
14 months ago: Why are so many members being allowed to blatantly stalk and harass smartygirl? What is RR opinion and policy on that?

I think all posts regarding smartygirls alleged activity on other sites should be removed, unless pursuing members off site activity's etc is fair game at RR.

How many big strong men does it take to beat up one woman?
14 months ago: 1. In all of their Twitter accounts half were pictures of men...The other were women. I believe it is a man. So nobody is "stalking" a woman.

2. Twitter deleted all of her/his profiles for breaking their TOS.

3. He/She started new profiles last night on Twitter and they were suspended today.

4. The past month the top story on here was on "Bed Bugs" Really??? WIth all thats going on the world someone signs on here and sees articles on bedbugs and pot holes????

5. He/She NEVER got involved in ANY other posts other then their own. NEVER was a comment made by them on another story.

6. Now that the jig is up on Twitter she will disappear.
14 months ago: There is nothing alleged about smartygirl's activity. She told me in an e-mail she belongs to at least five other web sites. Three are AdSense based and the other two are PayPal. She works with a group of 99'ers and they promote each other's pages and they rotate who sends the Tweets and Facebook links. She uses a program called Tweet Adder. She also bragged that she made $1,000 in her first month working with this team as she called them.

I posted her e-mails in another thread.

http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/RantRave-Go...

Nobody is stalking or harassing her, they only feel the need to expose her for what she is doing. She was posting on RantRave solely for the purpose to scam money from AdSense. She was not a member of our community, Happygolucky is correct, smartygirl does not comment on very many posts, not even her own. The exceptions were comments with allegations about herself where she dared Happy to "prove it", which he rather happily did (pun intended).

What smartygirl did is not currently forbidden by RantRave guidelines. I don't agree with that and I think her actions are indirectly responsible for RantRave getting kicked off Google News. Alex Layton has the final word and as you can see above he is OK with it, so we should be too.
justlogic
justlogic
14 months ago: No one has shown where blogging for money is a crime. I have not seen any proof she has done anything wrong.

You say, she belongs to a group of blogers that work together to promote their blogs.

So what? who cares? I promote my blog, why would I or anyone else not promote their site?

People keep saying they write for fun, fine have fun.
But some folks want to get paid and make no bones about it.

Actually, I think some folks that say they just write for fun, do not have the courage to say they would like to write for a living.

And just become some writes for a living does not mean they are solely after money. in my own case, I know there are far more lucrative things I could write about than unemployment.

I write about unemployment because I think it is the right thing to do to help people right now.

I am not making a penny on the National March For Jobs on Sat 4-2-11.
You should spend some time supporting that and writing about it, since you would be one of those whom would benefit from it.

RR can boot anyone at anytime and explain nothing to anyone.
I know if it were to happen to me, I wouldn't cry and try to get back in and it wouldn't do work anyway.

But I would make some hay with it on my blog to be sure.
I think RR keeps smarty because RR just wants to keep smarty, not because of any legal obligations etc.
14 months ago: No, blogging for money is not a crime. Nor is promoting your blog the way people like justlogic do on RantRave.

What is wrong is to spam the system and use RantRave as a Money Page or part of a Link Wheel for the sole purpose to scam money from AdSense.

Doing what smartygirl did hurt RantRave and was part of what got RR kicked off Google News. So she hurt justlogic and his attempt to promote his blog as well as all the other authors on RR.

That's the issue here, not that people are stalking her or attacking her. Only that some members here pointed out what she was doing and how she was doing it.


14 months ago: Mr JustLogic... You are right. If you think your articles are good enough for people to read I see nothing wrong with being a blogger.

HOWEVER... How would you feel if someone stole a picture of your daughter and created a profile around it and blogged that photo all over the internet? It is called Identiy Theft. I can't think of a personal loss of privacy.

TWITTER and ADSENSE have rules for a reason. Abusing these rules is against the law. Adsense is running a investigation right now into this matter and charges may be filed. So this is not "harmless".

I have NEVER stalked this person. Just by spending 20 minutes on Google I found out all the information that I needed. In fact I found very personel information on this person that I would never share on here.

They dared me to prove it and I did. If you notice there are refreshingly new articles in the Most Popular posts. The Bedbug article was stale and now it is gone.
14 months ago: Probably because at least 12 search spiders hit a page within minutes of a tweet.
If you tweet a page address 4 times per hour that is 48 views. The RR ranking does not seem to account for spider hits. Since the twitter accounts have vanished (and the tweets) the activity ranking has corrected itself.

That alone should be a fair indication and proof of the depth of the reported issue.

The last item listed in the RR Terms of Use...

http://www.rantrave.com/terms.aspx

Section - 4. RESTRICTIONS AND PROHIBITIONS ON USE

Engage in behavior designed to manipulate the proprietary Rant and Rave rating system.
14 months ago: My fun is done here. I was dared to take down an empire and I did. I am sure he/she will regroup and rebuild in time.

I tried working with Alex so he wouldn't get caught up in the Adsense mess but he ignored me. I do not believe in the ethics on this site and that is why I will not continue to post on here.

We all lead interesting lives and we all have something to add in this community. But allowing a Dictator to monopolize this "city" is wrong. Worse yet writing articles just for the cash and not the content is a real sin.
sunny2
sunny2
4 months ago: I hope you are writing, Paper. You got a gift that they lack.

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