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%12 of US thinks that states will secede from the union.

Posted 23 months ago|60 comments|6,131 views
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RLwoods
Victorville, CA
There once was a time in the United States that the states that are inside its borders did not feel that they belong to the same ideology of the rest of the country. This was the civil war. Our country was effectively two seperate countries.

The reasons of which this occurred were somewhat numerous, but when reduced down to its basic roots, they are all based on an extreme difference of political views held by the parts that seek succession and the rest of the country.
This is known history, and infact should be just that. There should not be a point that a state needs to separate itself from the rest of the nation to eliminate the oppression and control that is being felt by it that comes from the national government.

Though I say should, this is not the case. From a time that started directly after the civil war there were people in the south that screamed that the south would "rise again", proclaiming to the rest of the world that the power of the south would once again exist as a separate entity. These people have existed in small numbers in the past. Few people, including themselves, really saw this as a possible occurance. This is because we as a nation have maintained our strength by embracing multiple points of view.

This is why the results of a recent poll shocks me, and disturbs me. Rasmussen Reports did a telephone survey, the results from the survey consisted of a few basic questions about the aporval of the government, but among these questions were questions that were far more specific and had much more specific answers. One question was whetether people thought that a succession of states was likely within the next 25 years. %28 said that it was somewhat likely, versus a %64 that said that it was unlikely. Within the survey group %12 said that it was highly likely, and only %22 that said it was highly unlikely.

This is troubling to me that over one in ten would think that its likely to occur, and that almost three in ten think that it's a possibility. This goes beyond the idea that people think its possible, but unlikely. Something tells me that the people that claim it to be likely are not saying it somewhat likely in the same way that the sun being made of cream cheese is some likely. No, something has changed over the years.

The statitistics gatherd from this survey are made that much more interesting when you see the results of another set of questions. this one involved asking the participants if states even had the right to leave the union. %18 said that the states had the right to leave, %19 were unsure if they had the right. This leaves a total of %63 who think that the states don't have the right to leave. I cant help but compare the %64 who said it was unlikely with the %63 who said they had no right to.
I would like to see this question rephrased to state that the right to leave is assumed. I wonder how those groups would fluctuate.

This is frightening to me, not that the states would attempt to leave, but that a growing number of people are thinking that this is an acceptable solution.

Thinking that this is an acceptable solution is a strong sign that the people have not only lost all faith in their government, thinks that it has reached a point that it is not even correctable and that the only solution would be to separate the union. There is something terrible wrong with this, there is something terribly wrong in accepting that all hope is gone for a better American future and that the only hope for a future is to separate from its neighbors. This is sad, very very sad.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...
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THE RONBOT HUNTER
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23 months ago: The American people have never been told the truth for decades, by the Government Corporations that rule them.

They do not know anything that should be known. They have been purposely been kept in the dark and ignorant.

But as Sovereigns, we have studied all the frauds, scams and treasons committed against the American people, by the Federal Government and all its subdivisions.

So it is just a matter of time that the States will break away from Federal Control and subjugation.

Things in the background will soon come to light.

What I said before will come true.

There will be two classes of people soon, those that want to stay as corporate slaves and those that are Secured Party creditors or real Free-men and Free-women.

Which one you want to be will determine your rights and benefits.

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Siempre Solo
Siempre Solo
Auburn, NY
23 months ago: Call me a nationalist, federalist or if you are a Tea Party nut, a socialist but I believe in a strong federal government. Especially now a days when there are so many fringe nut job groups floating around wishing people harm. Look at the European Union. They are a good example of what a failure a weak central government is. Even the south themselves tried a weak central government with their confederacy and failed. There is always strength in numbers and a strong head at the helm of a ship only serves to solidify that bond!

Dissenting voices are ignorant of what it means to suffer without the basic necessities that a strong central government provides. Anything a seceding state thinks it can accomplish by itself is out weighed by what it can't. In the long run any politician leading his state in that direction would be proved a treasons criminal by his own people after they experience the hardship of being a city state in this messed up world!

If you ask me, corporate lapdogs play a big part in disseminating feelings of discontent. Corporations are the ones that stand to gain by weak central governments that they can manipulate by bribery and other nefarious means. As it stands the nations food supply is controlled by a handful of corporations. People that don't see this are simply blinded by selfish claims of inflated taxes. Everybody knows that any American who pays taxes also can be involved in other processes of government as well with stupendous results. Many are the townships who've bonded together to lower their local taxes and increase services, many! One just has to be willing to participate. That is all!
22 months ago: Can't pick and choose what we will call you as you have been so nice to point out. You Commie, Socialist, GreenPeace of an A-Hole. Since your pointing fingers and bad mouthin the Tea Party and all you one race voter you.
22 months ago: Simple One is PAR. We need to rename you Forrest Gump. That would be an insult to someone that actually works. Unlike your lazy 300 lbs. Taking your kids to the gym are you? Is your wife starting to get pissed as no matter how little you eat (a lie) and go to the gym (a lie) and walk (a lie) you still weigh 300 lbs after 1 yera of rehab. What is up with that lard butt?
THE RONBOT HUNTER
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23 months ago: The government as a corporation is different as a corporation such as Wal-mart.

One is in treason and the other is not.

Each State pays the Federal government 65% of all their collected taxes within the State. That much from each state is Hundreds of billions of dollars.

Each State can have back more than the feds give back for social services.

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23 months ago: There are many who wish east Tennessee would secede from Tennessee and change the name to the state of Franklin.
23 months ago: Texas could split the U.S. in half with a 'No Fly' zone.

Don't think so? The 'Republic of Texas' as accepted by the U.S. Federal Government before statehood containes portions of Oklahoma, New Mexico, Colorado, Kansas and Wyoming.

We are about to call for the check to be paid in full.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: It doesn't surprise me at all that 12% think that states will secede. 18% think the sun rotates around the earth. 24% don't know that we gained our independence from England. http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/New-Poll...

Only 13% of congressional Republicans believe in Global Warming. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/05/warm...

There are a lot of people that believe that they can still live off the land without any government at all. If they must have government the smaller and the more local the better. (If you get rid of all of the Natl parks, wilderness areas and other government owned land and divide it up, (the more guns the more land) everyone could get at least 14 acres and a mule). They don't need roads because most of them will be in Alaska.

There were a lot of hippies back in the 60's that thought they could live off the land, but it turned out to be hard work.

They don't need the dept. of education because they can home school their own kids (all you need is a bible). Then we will have even more ignorant flatworlders that hate government and science and vote Republican.

23 months ago: There are also people that believe cow farts will destroy the earth.

Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: Siempre is correct that the Corporations are the ones that are pushing the entire secessionist/ government is bad nonsense because then corporations like BP would be free to despoil even more land and sea. The puppets that eat up their propaganda are fueled by fear, ignorance, and hatred.

Some of their lies (like Ron's 65% of State revenue going to the fed), and the myth that cutting taxes for the rich raises revenue, can be easily disproved by anyone looking at the facts, but they don't want get even more confused.
23 months ago: Uh......Al.....er....

What facts again?

I mean, REAL, HONEST TO GOODNESS FACTS?
THE RONBOT HUNTER
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23 months ago: You are painting the wrong picture.

The States are trying to get back their sovereignty as per their constitutional rights.

To break away from federal Control is just and constitutional.

The constitution limits the power, authority and jurisdiction of the Federal Government.

All we are doing is reversing and putting back what should not have been changed, as per the constitution.

Hope this helps.

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Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: Remember "United We Stand, Divided We Fail?"
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
23 months ago: The Corporations have already taken away our Democracy. Minimizing a central government solidifies their control of the government.

One alternative is to allow the military to take control, and if you minimize central government control over the military you end up with totalitarian military control of the country.

The last alternative is maximizing the power of the people and minimizing the power of the corporations.

There are only three choices: a Democratic Government of by and for the people, An authoritarian, totalitarian government ruled by the military, or a corporate government.

It is like a three legged stool that is stable. These three forces have to be kept in balance. The push for stateism allows more power to the go to the military and corporations and less to the people.


THE RONBOT HUNTER
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22 months ago: Altruist
Eugene, OR

"There are only three choices: a Democratic Government of by and for the people, An authoritarian, totalitarian government ruled by the military, or a corporate government."

We already have a corporate government.

You need to read this post so that you can see, that we do not need or want a Democracy of the type that we have now.

RESTORATION OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLICS OF AMERICA

The solution lies in the Constitution.

We were given a gift and we were not able to keep it.

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Malenroh
Malenroh
Bryan, TX
22 months ago: This country was intended to be a Republic, not a Democracy, do your research, there is a hella difference between them.
A Democracy is The Majority Unlimited, lacking any legal safeguard of the rights of The Individual and The Minority, and a Republic is The Majority Limited, under a written Constitution safeguarding the rights of The Individual and The Minority.

Get your facts straight

22 months ago: You are soooo correct Malenroh. If only more people in the U.S understood this. It is not vote the party in that gives out the most tax payer paid for goodies and try's to make laws in favor of it's constituents. It should be vote the person in who will protect the constitution and make administrative decisions when necessary. Unfortunately it has become a mob rules free for all and the individual is losing. When the individuals rights are protected the whole of society is protected as a whole also.
Diogenes
Diogenes
Champaign, IL
22 months ago: My concern is that President Obama will wave his magic wand and declare that the irresponsible debtor states like California, New York, Michigan and my own state (I'm ashamed to admit it) Illinois are all too big to fail and that the responsible states will have to chip in and help us pay off our debts. Not only would I not blame the responsible states for leaving us to fend for ourselves, but as person who has a personal credit rating over 800, I'm inclined to move to a responsible state.
Diogenes
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Champaign, IL
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GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: Explain to me why states that manage their spending and budgets should pay their citizens hard earned money to cover the spend thrifts like NY, NJ, Ca, Ill and others massive debts. They created a monster of public employee unions and promised defined benefit pensions and did not fund amounts on a annual basis to keep the funds viable. The Political class just said: promise them some thing latter and I will be gone when the bill arrives.

The mentality of that line of thinking is what broke most cities, counties, teachers union, public employee pension trusts. It also broke Greece, Spain, Italy and other countries that tried to put the social justice philosophy in place.

The type of government they are attempting to copy from Europe has never succeeded since Plato wrote "The Republic". The principle of social justice and total equality ignores the fact that some people will work all the time and some people will never work if possible. So how do you make that system fair?
22 months ago: Shhhush RED. Looks like this post has attracted a few more Tea Baggers.

Nice to know that our holding back for a few months promoted the influx of more Republic of America users that want to follow the constitution.

Welcome newbees. Just dig around real good to learn who are the wolves in sheeps clothing on this site.

Malenroh - Bryan, TX (just up the road)
Diogenes - Champaign, IL (humm, not looking good in IL come November)
GoodBusiness - San Antonio, TX (one freeway down and head west)


22 months ago: I know Cypress, but sometimes I cannot help myself.
22 months ago: Yeah, I know....Me too....
Diogenes
Diogenes
Champaign, IL
22 months ago: We can't lose in Illinois. No one expects us to be able to save the country by electing a Republican senator to President Obama's old seat only two years after he got elected. If we actually do it, the country will not only be amazed, but much better off for it. People might even sit up and realize that most of the residents of the country, not just in liberal Illinois don't like the direction in which the country is headed. That would be most people other than Democrats who are not inclined to accept reality.
22 months ago: Don't under estimate Daly's MOB connection to the unions. We are sitting pretty fat here in Texas with the conservative constitutionalist vote and most of our people know that we will be sending our contributions 'Out of State'.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: The country was formed as a republic that limited full rights only to the landed gentry. Fortunately the Constitution is not a static but a dynamic institution that has evolved and now allows all citizens equality and the freedom to vote. It evolved into a democracy.

Good Business can you explain how Texas is bailing out New York? A few specifics please.
GoodBusiness
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San Antonio, TX
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GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: Altruist,

The current tax system takes property (money) and redistributes it to those states the government decides needs more than they have available from their taxes paid. So, Texas pays in to the federal say $ 1.00 and gets back $ .70 while NY pays in $ 1.00 and gets back $ 1.20; clearly Texas is paying taxes so NY can get more than their fair share.

Diogenes
Diogenes
Champaign, IL
22 months ago: I guess that was a rhetorical question. Here's another one. What makes it OK for a few irresponsible states to live high on the hog at the expense of other responsible states. You wouldn't have to go too far to make that sound like a definition of slavery. Surely our president isn't a fan of slavery. This is certainly not what the founders had in mind. We started out as a collection of states which in those days meant the same as countries and those countries certainly would not have agreed to supporting other, les responsible, if not irresponsible, countries financially.
22 months ago: Al, who is going to bail out Oregon (your posted home state) and California (your residence)? You think Illinois, New York, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Maine, Washington, Conneticut, Ohio, Michigan and or MEXICO/CHINA/CANADA or the EURO? Let's not forget the anti-American overtaken Virginia.
22 months ago: AL? who do you expect to bail you out this time? the "South"?
THE RONBOT HUNTER
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22 months ago: There is some thing better than the States separating from Federal Control.

That is for each State to become a Republic under the common law.

Right now the entire USA is under admiralty law.

Did you know that Statues are administrative law under the administrative procedures act (APA)?

Did you know that the constitution only allows Admiralty law only upon the sea, and the only other law allowed is Common law, for the land?

Did you know that the constitution dos not allow Statue law and that it is unconstitutional?

Did you know that under the APA, an attorney is classified as a foreign agent?

That is why they do not have any license to practice law. Ask to see one from any attorney!

Did you know that judges make a profit each time they send you to jail? That is why we have 25 % of the world's prisoner!

Greed and corruption is sending our boys to jail for victimless crimes.

Did you know that three foreign agents in a court room deciding your fate is treason?

But we were never told all of this and now the defenders of corruption (Liberals) are claiming that this is not so.

My predictions will come true.

Read the links for the facts on the 25% of prisoners of the world.

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GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: Let us expand the debate on taxation and the Constitution. The fifth amendment (last sentence) is commonly ignored when we discuss the current progressive income tax system which promotes "taking of property" from one and redistributing it to others without the government paying a fair compensation for the property. Yes, money is property. Clearly the theory of social justice violates this amendment. There is no language in the sixteenth amendment permitting "TAKING" in violation of the fifth amendment.

Next the progressive tax system violates many amendments that protect "MINORITIES" from the majority discriminating against the minority. Well, high earners are a minority, the rich are a minority do they not deserve the same equal protection under the Constitution as racial minorities receive?

The United States of America is a 'CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC" not a democracy. That is why the redistribution of wealth under the social justice theory is not in keeping with our Founders designed Republic.
GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: It looks like most Americans are starting to wake up and smell the odor of rotting fish emanating form the District of Columbia. 62% believe the Constitution says what it means and means what it says. That is do not mess with the meaning or actual words (language) of the founding paper of the Republic.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...
GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: Altruist,

How can this continue? How long can it continue? Should it be allowed to continue? Why should we not stop it today? What say you citizens and debt payers.

This has been around before but it is more accurate today than ever -

The e-mail went like this:

"A rich tourist is driving through a town where everyone lives on debt. He stops at the motel and lays a $100 bill on the desk, saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.

"As soon as the man walks upstairs, the owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmer's Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her 'services' on credit. The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the motel owner.

"The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the $100 bill, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.

"No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future with a lot more optimism.

"And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how the United States government is conducting business today."

I couldn't have said it better myself!

One of the biggest problems with today's debt is that it's nearly self-sustaining. In other words, in order to pay off the debts coming due, we create more debts that we'll someday have to pay for down the road.

Sound like a Ponzi scheme? That's because, in a lot of ways, it is!

Debt distorts the decisions people make. If rates are low enough, marginal buyers swoop in. They buy houses, cars, and anything they can charge on a credit card.

And if debt gets cheaper (through lower interest rates), why not pile on more, so you can enjoy things now that you'd have to wait to earn otherwise?
Diogenes
Diogenes
Champaign, IL
22 months ago: Isn't it ironic that when Bernard Madoff does it, it's a crime and he goes to jail, but when our government does it, they get reelected so they can do it to us again and again. I guess I prefer Bernie Madoff's actions to our governmnets.
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22 months ago: GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX said:

"The United States of America is a 'CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC" not a democracy. That is why the redistribution of wealth under the social justice theory is not in keeping with our Founders designed Republic."

We are not yet a Constitutional Republic, because we are still ruled under admiralty law and administrative Statutes.

To be a Constitutional Republic, we would be ruled by the common law.

We are still in violation and in treason to the constitution.

But the tide to go Republic or at least to break the suppressive and unconstitutional Federal Control is increasing in each state.

Before the year is out, most if not all the states will have broken the chains of the federal demon.

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GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: We live on the third rock from the sun. The decline in manufacturing jobs has been going on for over twenty years and it is directly tied to the EPA and environmental regulations created to manage manufacturing behavior. Our laws and union labor costs chased the value added manufacturing out of America and into profits for the Chinese and Indian nations.

You can cry foul, you can cry recession, but no finger need be pointed at the current occupant of the White House. The tragedy has been placed upon American working people by a failed energy/environment/species series of laws that killed the golden goose. We now look back on good times and yearn for a return to freedoms taken by well meaning fools in government and the Universities of our land.

We must then first have a very cost effective energy production element and then we must relax silly laws and rules that put naturally occurring problems on the door step of the manufacturing value added segment of the economy. Just like species we must compete for share of the available pie or we will become extinct.
22 months ago: GB, trying to educate some of these people is like trying to drive the nail that has been bent 10 times all the way to the head meets the wood. Never going to happen. Pull the bent nail and throw it away. Try using a new nail.

Some will never understand the concept of ''Republic''.

They truely think America is a democracy.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
22 months ago: The truth can be hidden, covered up, twisted and suppressed.

But the truth has a way that finally it will come back and expose the lies, TREASONS AND FRAUDS.

That is why the States are declaring their Sovereignty.

Under the constitution we were supposed to separated states, equal and free, united under the Constitution for the benefit of the people.

Today we are one corporate Federal government, with its mini corporate subdivisions called states, subject to its rule and control.

Under the constitution a State or Republic was not supposed to be "a for profit corporation", for the benefit of the corporation, which is unconstitutional.

Those that oppose the States regaining their rights under the Constitution, are called in all honesty traitors and UNCONSTITUTIONALISTS.

'A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. -
Thomas Jefferson'

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GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago:
Again we debated and supported the theory that the solemn oath of office where the official swears to uphold and defend the Constitution is subject to legal actions for breach of promise and malfeasance in office.If citizens start holding these "STUPIDS" liable for their actions and promises you will see a new paradigm in politics and governments.


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22 months ago: One must first have some ''common sense'' and rely on that instead of the ''law'' by unconstitutional statutes. If common sense was a criteria for office we whould have regular people running the government.
GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: If we followed the Founders design, politics at the Federal level would be civil service, successful farmer, business operators, giving their time to serve in Congress. A life time profession was never intended.

The nation (Republic) is based on laws, and the Constitution and worked for 150 years until politics became a profession or life work. Unfortunately, common sense is like common law it is a part but not the whole.
22 months ago: I'm OK with that. When did the Congress become an illegitimate body Constitutionally? It's not a trick question. It's serious.
GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: When they took the attitude that their oath of office did not limit their ability to pass any law they wanted under the "Commerce clause". Like one Congressman said when asked where in the Constitution did they find the health care law a permitted function for the Federal government. He just looked up and said, oh we just do what we want up here we make the laws.

They have violated the numerated powers section hundreds of times when they passed laws that required states to fund the enforcement. There is nothing in the Constitution that permits the Federal Government to own land with in the states.
22 months ago: Using the "Commerce Clause" as a catch all is plain wrong. It has bounderies that have been well stepped over (by government) and are now accepted as doctrine.
22 months ago: That would be the same as saying the ''General Welfare'' clause means supply everyone with food stamps. medicare, medicaid, social security, SSI and a good casket. While they live in shacks and drive 40 thousand dollar cars.
22 months ago: Goodie, there is an actual date with an Executive Order.
GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: Yes, that is how they justify the progressive tax system which violates the 5th amendment last sentence regarding "TAKING" of property for public use with out fair compensation. So which amendment takes precedent?
22 months ago: I'm getting real confused....

Are the only U.S. Constitutionalist located in the South?
Diogenes
Diogenes
Champaign, IL
22 months ago: A good "unconstitutional statute" for all of us to ignore would be the one that will provide different sets of election contribution and spending guidelines for friends of our dear leader and those who oppose him. The current government will pass it to increase the likelihood of democrats being elected, realizing that it will be struck down by the Supremes after it's done its evil deed.
22 months ago: Who is going to benefit?
What are they going to get?
When will it be implemented?
........Where is my payback?.....
........Why should I support this?.....

If the first 2 isn't all of Constitutional America it should be cut right then and there.

If you need to ask the last 2 you need to be fired.
22 months ago: Might want to follow the ''media'' of the time. Here is a good link.

http://www.sonofthesouth.net/

It has all of ''Harpers Weekly'' online from the beginning to 1865.

There is still a date I'm looking for when good old ''Republican'' Abe wrote an ''Executive Order'' to re-call Congress into session.
GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: Just as a point of clarity - many Executive orders have limitations on how and when they can be made public for national security reasons. Some can be released in 20 years, some in 50 years, some when all relatives are dead, some will never be released.

Where in the Constitution does it say a President can bind the nation with a piece of paper that the people can not even view?
22 months ago: Don't need to clear it up for me.

Many 'Executive Orders" are subject to "Congressional" overview today.
While they can change a document today to correct a "STUPID" executive order.

Where was that oversight in 1861 when President Linclon wrote an "Executive Oreder" ro call Congress back to session? Where in the Constitution does it say the president has any power over congress?

Still digging for the order?
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
22 months ago: The district of Columbia was formed as a corporation, and started to function as a government, because of the politicians that sold out.

Under the constitution, its jurisdiction was only to be 10 square miles.

But now its jurisdiction is over all the states, contrary to the Constitution.

Its laws are only for corporate entities or federal subjects or fictitious persons.

But by trick and fraud, it made us into "persons", corporate entities, federal subjects and not living beings.

FYI, we are not US citizens, which means a federal subject.

Its frauds go back more than a hundred years, planned long ago by the International bankers (Rothschild family).

For at long last, the public is learning the truth.

The unconstitutionalists or Liberals hate that we are separating from the Federal monster that they love so much.

'A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their
own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth
of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. -
Thomas Jefferson'

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

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22 months ago: RON, I'm not disputing you but provide a link to the document of ''US Incorporation' wherever it may be. I agree that the US is owned by outside sources. It has been since the outside sourced financed the civil war. Nice game plan. They backed both sides knowing one would win.
Altruist
Altruist
Eugene, OR
22 months ago: You guys can argue forever about what the founding fathers intended, but the fact is that the Constitution evolved and gave every citizen equal rights and protections, and allowed for taxation to support the government.

The founders argued even more than you right wing radicals argue with the liberals. At that time it was the federalists v the stateists or Republicans. About the only things they could agree on was that corporations were bad, people should control the government, and the states should unify. The federalist papers argued that a Federal Union was necessary or the other world powers could easily pick off one state after another. United we stand divided we fail.

Now the radical right is trying to undo 200 years of progress.

When you all are talking about the states bailing out the fed or one state bailing out another you have it backward. The federal taxes are separate than the State taxes which are different than the local taxes. The States don't give anything to the Federal government but the federal government gives a heck of a lot to the States. Each State is required by their State Constitution to maintain a balanced budget, and it isn't just California or Oregon that is running a budget deficit. Fully 48 of the 50 States are officially bankrupt and are spending more than they bring in. Almost all states are laying off teachers, police, firefighters, closing parks, and cutting services. They all have an old and crumbling infrastructure. Water pipes are bursting, sewer systems are spilling sewage into rivers, bridges are unsafe and highways are crumbling.

All because Republicans have decided that they don't like any taxes but especially progressive taxes to raise revenue. When absolutely forced to, they pass sales taxes, or VAT, or flat taxes that hit the poor and middle class and let the rich off easy.

Historically the rich have never had it so easy and had to pay such a tiny percentage of their income, and the income inequalities have never been greater.
THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
22 months ago: Altriust said:

"Historically the rich have never had it so easy and had to pay such a tiny percentage of their income"

10 percent taxation is the same to all, no matter what they make.

What you want is to make the successful pay 90 percent of their income and that is unconstitutional and suppressive.

It seems that any successful person is an enemy of the Un-Constitutionalists or Liberals.

It seems that the more a person is educated and successful, he/she becomes a target and an enemy to the Un-Constitutionalists or Liberals.

Why are the Un-Constitutionalists or Liberals against successful people?

Because education is the enemy of treason and fraud.

Once a successful person learns, he is no longer willing to vote for Un-Constitutionalists or Liberals.

The poor vote for Un-Constitutionalists or Liberals because of false promises that are never kept.

Communism has never improved the lot of man.

Competition is the energy that makes a man succeed.

'A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their
own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth
of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. -
Thomas Jefferson'

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://freedom-school.com/keating/how-a-...

http://freedom-school.com/law/prison_tre...

THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
22 months ago: The Cypress Gang
Cypress, TX
1 day ago: "RON, I'm not disputing you but provide a link to the document of ''US Incorporation' wherever it may be."


LOOK UP MY NEW POST: LIST OF FACTS AND LAWS THAT WILL PROTECT YOU IN ANY COURT.

This will get you started, and I will post more on the US being a corporation later.

'A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their
own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. -
Thomas Jefferson'

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://freedom-school.com/keating/how-a-...

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THE RONBOT HUNTER
THE RONBOT HUNTER
22 months ago: Long ago I made some predictions that were delayed for reasons that are secret.

But in my heart and mind are being continued by the States, breaking away from the Federal Government's control and unconstitutional laws.

More and more States, counties and sheriffs and people are siding with us.

But all your silly arguments about politics are going to be changed.

When we turn to the common law, liberals or anti-constitutionals will have a sh-t fit.

They will feel that the world has turned against them.

And for good reason, the world and our own country needs to break away from Un-Constitutionalists or Liberals.

You will have first hand knowledge of the fact of who was responsible for our problems.

You will learn the truth about OBAMA. You will learn that the Liberals covered up a treason so enormous, that thousands were in involved.

But the best news is that the world will never be the same again.

The Original Organic Constitution will be brought back to life. And the Liberal's Corporate Constitution will be buried as a dead Un-Constitutionalist or Liberal wet dream of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

The new world order was the worst and most evil desire and dream of the Un-Constitutionalists or Liberals, that they became the helpers of the enemies of the Republics of America.

The American people have sided with us and will take America back from the traitors of the Constitution (Liberals and communists).

Mark my words, we will be a new Nation, a nation of the people, and for the people and run by the people.

Yes, I know that you will not believe it, until it happens, but it will happen before too long (exact time still unknown).

I am never wrong nor do I lie.

Then I will tell you things that will blow your mind.

'A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their
own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth
of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. -
Thomas Jefferson'

I tell it like it is, I pull no punches, tell no lies, and I am as I am

THE ONE AND ONLY RONBOT HUNTER
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

http://freedom-school.com/keating/how-a-...

http://freedom-school.com/law/prison_tre...
GoodBusiness
GoodBusiness
San Antonio, TX
22 months ago: Here we go a chance to review the "commerce clause"


The Attorney General of the USA filed a law suit to halt the Arizona law being enforced as shown in the Washington Times quote:

"The Justice Department cited grounds for blocking the law. They argued it is pre-empted by federal law, violates the supremacy clause that make national law take precedence over state laws, and that it restricts Commerce between states in violation of the Constitution."

The issue of "Commerce" is a perverted use of the Commerce clause and needs to be defined by the Supreme court. They must think that the all powerful clause can even be used to control and regulate criminal illegal commerce between the states. Come on end the misuse of the Commerce clause and take away non-intended powers grabbed by Congress and bad court decisions of the past.

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